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fordtrucks-small-digest Tuesday, March 24 1998 Volume 02 : Number 088



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In this issue:

Re: NOS [Garr&Pam ]
Speedometer problems.... ["Keith Christensen" ]
Re: NOS [Thom Cheney ]
Lowering Kits [Luke Wells ]
NOS [SNOOP22222 ]
Turbo\Super charger [SNOOP22222 ]
Re: Turbo\Super charger [Geoffrey Hoffman ]
RE: oscillating speedo cable ["Pete Lawless" ]
Re: NOS [EI - Michael Ioco ]
Re: NOS [james oxley ]
IRS in 2001 Explorer. [james oxley ]
TURBO/SUPERCHARGER ["Joe Merchak" ]
Re: Lowering Kits [Garr&Pam ]
Re: Speedo/White Faced Gauges [Jordan ]
Re: Speedo/White Faced Gauges [mark fitzgerald ]
Bronco II cargo cover [cvanhooser juno.com (Charles R. Van Hooser)]
RE: Speedo/White Faced Gauges [John Eberst ]
locks and windows [David ]
Re: locks and windows ["Jeff Wey" ]

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:04:33 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: NOS

Hawk sktc.net wrote:
>
> FO>I agree with you Buck...the problem I have is the life of the turbo or
> FO>supercharger. I don't think they cause any harm to the motors life
> FO>though. Any comments? I am debating one for my truck(supercharger that
> FO>is)
> FO>Chris
>
> The turbo on our Turbo Coupe Thunderbird has given no problems. Ditto
> the LN trucks at work. These vehicles get run hard, but get serviced
> religiously. I don't have any first hand knowledge on any after market
> supercharger kits. I would think fit and reliability would be the two
> main concerns. If you get one, let me know how you like it. What are
> you thinking of putting it on, and why?
>
> Good luck,
> Buck
>
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Either a whipplecharger or a vortech supercharger on my Lightning! Why
so I can give those Z and cobras a good run..with a TRUCK!!! I will
probalby change to mass air first though. Fit has not been a problem
with aftermarket kits from what I have heard...I am just not to sure
about the life of superchargers? Wonder how long SC Thunderbird
superchargers last? Or Buicks?
Any comments are welcome
Chris

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:34:49 -0800
From: "Keith Christensen"
Subject: Speedometer problems....

RE the erratic speedometer problems...

Probably not the drive gear in the tranny! These usually only give three
symptoms:
*No reading... gear(s) stripped or shafft broken
*Stable but incorrect reading... wrong set, or you changed axle ratio/tire
size
Any erratic reading would be strippped gears but only for a short time as
the parts "decompose"!

Cable failure could cause erratic reads as the broken ends can somewhat
mesh together at times.

Most likely is the speedo head itself..
*Metal shavings getting in the needle movement area (not uncommon, there's
a magnet here!)
*Bad 'jewel bearings" on the pointer shaft.
*Twisted/bent needle return spring

No. I don't work for a speedometer repair sjhop... but if the dealer is
clueless, that's a good place to go!
They can also add a small box to correct speed without changing the gears
in the trannny..

How do you think police departments get their speedos set up properly?
Also, lots of truck fleets have speedos, tachs, and tachographs that need
alignment/test/recal/recert/repair...

I learned some of this from old Montana driving... seems that speeds do
fail when pegged out 80% of the time..

Keith Christensen
[Kill...(delete..) BAMBI in my address for Email.. the SPAMMERS have
caught on to the NOSPAM trick!]
A: High Tech is a Pain in the )( !
B: I deal with the Fast Electrons,
call a Lineman for problems with slow ones!

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:57:58 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: NOS

I had a 1980 turbo Mustang. The engine was a good old 2.3L. I bought
it used & had the engine rebuilt almost immediately. The previous owner
had run it pretty hard & not changed the oil much (apparently).

The problem with turbocharging is heat. Since the turbo uses exhaust
gases to turn its impeller, it gets pretty warm. I got really
interested in the Mustang SVO because Ford added an intercooler to the
turbo. I believe they also put this engine in the Merkur. I sold the
Mustang because it was eating starters, flywheels and other bits and
pieces like candy.

NOS (nitrous), as I understand it, will not affect engine life if used
sensibly (I have heard the same thing said about cocaine). I suspect,
like coke, it would by highly addictive. To have that much extra "git"
and not be into it ALL THE TIME is asking way too much.

good luck....

TC

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:34:03 -0500
From: Luke Wells
Subject: Lowering Kits

I am in the process of lowering my 96 ranger 3 4 but I want to know
where the best place for the
best price to purchase this kit with shocks. I was going for
Godfathers(269w/o shocks)it includes Ibeams, flip
kit) but someone told me that most of their orders are on backorder and
it would take a long time
to arrive, I also went to the AIM page but couldn't find any prices, if
anyone could help please post.
I also saw another add for 639 dollars with shocks but that is a big
price hike, it is belltech but my
friend has a "generic" brand and has never had problems with it. Thanks
for any help

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:28:51 EST
From: SNOOP22222
Subject: NOS

Everyone I know who has used an NOS system has regreted...it is very hard not
to blow past the redline...obviously if it was guaranteed to just rip up your
engine it wouldn't be sold...So yes, it can be used properly with minimal wear
and tear but if anybody hear has ever used an NOS sytem you know that the
engine just won't last as long...who cares what the manufacturer says...as far
as for racing fuel...last time I checked the ford stock ranger engines are not
designed for racing...Racing engines are completely different and are designed
for their fuel...(alcohol, NOS, whatever) so please don't make comments about
unrealated subjects...I forgot what type of engine the person asking about
this had but a turbocharger is available for 2.3 and a supercharger for the
4.0..later guys

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:31:08 EST
From: SNOOP22222
Subject: Turbo\Super charger

Turbo and Superchargers do not negatively affect the engine...however they do
typically wear out before your engine

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 12:56:37 -0500
From: Geoffrey Hoffman
Subject: Re: Turbo\Super charger

At 12:31 PM -0500 3/23/98, SNOOP22222 wrote:
>Turbo and Superchargers do not negatively affect the engine...however they do
>typically wear out before your engine

Superchargers can negatively affect mileage, more so in stop and go
situations, as in citys and stuff.


Geoffrey Hoffmanhttp://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pobox.com/~hoffy/
Cornell Universitygch2 cornell.edu

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:58:58 -0800
From: "Pete Lawless"
Subject: RE: oscillating speedo cable

Anthony Rifici wrote:
> The needle oscillates +/- half a MPH when traveling between 25
and 37, after that the needle remains steady.

Mine oscillates a bit also and actually produces a noise to go along with
it. My brother (a heavy trucks mechanic/service manager at the local ford
dealership) told me to lube my speedometer cable. Of course I haven't done
it yet to let you know if it worked.
Later... Pete

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:29:13 -0500 (EST)
From: EI - Michael Ioco
Subject: Re: NOS

I'm gonna have to agree with the "SnoopMan" too...

89 Mustang 5.0 running overdrive pulleys, ram-air, headers, aluminum
radiator,dual flowmasters-and of course the NOS cheater system.

Developed a nice little crack right next to cylinder 4. Of course in this case
there was a happy ending, because the 302 got replaces with a "BOss 350" which
developed just as much horsepower as the old engine did, but without the need
for laughing gas. The juice is still hooked up, but now a 25# bottle lasts 3-4
months instead of a week and a half!

>
> Everyone I know who has used an NOS system has regreted...it is very hard not
> to blow past the redline...obviously if it was guaranteed to just rip up your
> engine it wouldn't be sold...So yes, it can be used properly with minimal wear
> and tear but if anybody hear has ever used an NOS sytem you know that the
> engine just won't last as long...who cares what the manufacturer says...as far
> as for racing fuel...last time I checked the ford stock ranger engines are not
> designed for racing...Racing engines are completely different and are designed
> for their fuel...(alcohol, NOS, whatever) so please don't make comments about
> unrealated subjects...I forgot what type of engine the person asking about
> this had but a turbocharger is available for 2.3 and a supercharger for the
> 4.0..later guys
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:18:58 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: Re: NOS

SNOOP22222 wrote:
>
> Everyone I know who has used an NOS system has regreted...it is very hard not
> to blow past the redline..

Maybe if you engage a 200 HP kit near redline, but that is operator
error, not the fault of NOS.

>obviously if it was guaranteed to just rip up your
> engine it wouldn't be sold...So yes, it can be used properly with minimal wear
> and tear but if anybody hear has ever used an NOS sytem you know that the
> engine just won't last as long.

Last as long as what? NOS is used way less than 1% of the time.
Obviously, if you use an extra 200 HP on a 3.0L of 140 HP, your asking
for trouble. What is the difference of adding 50 HP of NOS or adding 50
HP from a turbo or blower. I'll tell you the difference. The NOS is much
safer. Intake charge temps are much lower with NOS than either forced
induction setup due to the NOS having massive expansion out of the bottle
(like letting air out of tire, it gets real cold). The possiblity of
getting knock is therefore substantially reduced. If anything, knock is
what will kill your engine when you install any power adder.

>..who cares what the manufacturer says...as far
> as for racing fuel...last time I checked the ford stock ranger engines are not
> designed for racing..

Define racing. I could have a good race in a wheelchair if I wanted.
Many on this list seem to race their rangers.

>Racing engines are completely different and are designed
> for their fuel...(alcohol, NOS, whatever) so please don't make comments about
> unrealated subjects..

NOS is not a fuel. It does not burn. I don''t consider enhancing engine
HP unrelated to any automotive mailing list.

Having said all that, I think NOS is exremely inconveniant. You need to
wait till the bottle heats up (for correct pressure), unless it's been
sitting in the sun all afternoon. The bottles run out pretty quick and
after a coulpe years of use, you could have bought that turbo or blower.

OX

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:21:03 -0800
From: james oxley
Subject: IRS in 2001 Explorer.

I read recently that the 2001 Explorer is going to have IRS, somehting
like the Tremor show truck. It is supposed to be based on the T-bird IRS.
Ford wanted a lower floor height for the rear to be able to add a 3rd
seat.

OX

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:16:43 -0500
From: "Joe Merchak"
Subject: TURBO/SUPERCHARGER

All this talk about turbos and NOS has made me think about adding one to
mine 93 Ranger. Does anyone know where I can get a turbo/supercharger for a
93 with a 3.0 and auto?

Thanks in advance
Joe

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:55:22 +0000
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: Lowering Kits

Luke Wells wrote:
>
> I am in the process of lowering my 96 ranger 3 4 but I want to know
> where the best place for the
> best price to purchase this kit with shocks. I was going for
> Godfathers(269w/o shocks)it includes Ibeams, flip
> kit) but someone told me that most of their orders are on backorder and
> it would take a long time
> to arrive, I also went to the AIM page but couldn't find any prices, if
> anyone could help please post.
> I also saw another add for 639 dollars with shocks but that is a big
> price hike, it is belltech but my
> friend has a "generic" brand and has never had problems with it. Thanks
> for any help
>
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Try bell tech. I know they have what you are looking for.
Chris

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:33:59 -0600
From: Jordan
Subject: Re: Speedo/White Faced Gauges

At 09:18 PM 3/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I know Ford SVO was selling 160Mph speedometers for awhile. i'm not
what's the point, the computer, unless reprogramed won't let explorer's (I
think rangers too) go past 105.

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:57:11 -0800 (PST)
From: mark fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Speedo/White Faced Gauges

What's the point? Not all of us with rangers or explorers are using
the stock computer or any computer at all for that matter and would
benefit from using this speedometer. Furthermore this is an adjustable
speedometer. This means that if we're running larger than stock tires
or different gears then we'll still have an accurate reflection of our
speed. By having the speedometer limit set to 160, it ensures that
both drag racers and other types of enthusiasts can use the same
speedometer, therefore keeping prices down. That's the point.

Best regards,
Fitzy

- ---Jordan wrote:
>
> At 09:18 PM 3/22/98 -0800, you wrote:
> >I know Ford SVO was selling 160Mph speedometers for awhile. i'm not
> what's the point, the computer, unless reprogramed won't let
explorer's (I
> think rangers too) go past 105.
>
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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:17:27 -0500
From: cvanhooser juno.com (Charles R. Van Hooser)
Subject: Bronco II cargo cover

Does anybody know where I can get an original cargo cover for an 89
Bronco II. I've tried several dealers and did a search using the part
number on parts voice, but no one seems to have one. All the dealers I
have talked to tell me the part is obsolete. If somebody has one they
would be willing to part with let me know. Someone in a news group said
the one from the taurus wagon will work. Can anyone confirm this?

Thanks in advance
Chuck Van Hooser

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:30:57 -0800
From: John Eberst
Subject: RE: Speedo/White Faced Gauges

Don't have any repair expertise but suffered a similar problem. Turned out
it was a "dried out" cable. (also noticed a noise at same time of
oscillation). Cable had to be replaced.

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Subject: Speedo/White Faced Gauges

'94 Ranger SuperCab XLT: 4.0L, 5-Speed

My speedometer has developed 2 problems lately.
1) It seems to react slowly to changes in speed. Ex. When accelerating
from 45-65 in third, near full throttle, it seems to hover at 45 for a
while and then move very quickly to 65. The same effect happens when
decelerating.
2) The needle oscillates +/- half a MPH when traveling between 25 and 37,
after that the needle remains steady. This (oscillation) started after I
had a dealer replace the clutch slave cylinder. I took it back to them to
have it fixed and they told me that they would probably never figure out
what the cause, so sending it back in would waste my time.

Any Ideas?

Even if I got the dealer to fix problem 2 which must be where the
speedometer cable connects to the tranny, I would still have problem 1
which must be the Speedometer head.

Therefore, I am also considering replacing the speedometer. Does anybody
know if there is a nice white faced gauge set for the Ranger that also
includes a 120+ MPH speedometer?
Thanks,
Tony




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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:43:06 -0500
From: David
Subject: locks and windows

Has anyone installed either power windows or door locks on a Ranger? I've
been thinking about putting some on mine. Does anyone know of any place to
get them other than JC Whittney?
Thanks
David

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Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 23:10:34 -0500
From: "Jeff Wey"
Subject: Re: locks and windows

I put a set in from AIM industries but wired them into my alarm system to
give me remote lock /unlock ( shaved door handles) . They also sell a
window kit never tried it yet http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.aimind.com 1-800-842-8789 Jeff

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