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fordtrucks-small-digest Thursday, March 5 1998 Volume 02 : Number 067



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In this issue:

RE: '91 Explorer problem [Ken St John ]
sohc Ranger [WHRanger93 ]
Re: 2.9 Acting strange [Keith Smith ]
re: Relays on 98 Ranger / Explorer [Bob Scola ]
re: Relays on 98 Ranger / Explorer [qzl0st tpc.natp.gmeds.com (EI - Mich]
Re: Ranger electrical problem [Keith Smith ]
ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists [Ken Payne
'97 Ranger tow hook placement ["Bryce" ]
Smitty Bilt Nerf'Em Bars ["Bryce" ]
Fw: fordtrucks-small-digest V2 #66 ["Bryan Dann" ]
Re: Lifters noisey! [HYDROSMITH ]
ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site [Ken Payne ]
Re: 2.9 Acting strange [mgpkep juno.com (Michael G. Peacock)]
Re: Front leveling coils [Jmark6969 ]
Re: Ranger 4 cyl gas milage [Jmark6969 ]
Re: fordtrucks-small-digest V2 #63 [Eddie Torres ]

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:06:41 -0700
From: Ken St John
Subject: RE: '91 Explorer problem

That sounds logical but this problem started about 2 months ago
and coincided with my decrease in gas mileage from 20 to 17 mpg.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:james oxley [SMTP:luxjo thecore.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 04, 1998 1:54 PM
> To:fordtrucks-small ListService.net
> Subject:Re: '91 Explorer problem
>
> >I did the diagnostics myself because Ford was unable to find anything
> >and I was spending money on those diagnostic tests for nothing. I
> also
> >replaced the TPS twice. With as many sensors I've replaced, and
> since
> >this problem was inherited from the factory, I'm looking at replacing
> >the Computer soon unless I can figure out another solution.
>
> One other thing to consider. It may be just normal. My 86 Capri 5.0
> did
> somewhat the same thing you are describing. Whenever I switched gears,
> it
> would take a gerat deal more time for the engine to return to idle
> than
> you would think it should. This "back to idle slow" syndrome was also
> noticed when the engine was started. When started , it would rev to
> 2500
> and then slowly back down to idle, even when engine was warmed up.
> When I
> switched my 5.0 to mass air, this idle strategy stopped. My 88 Bronco
> II
> also did his, but not as bad and not really noticable as it was an
> automatic. I have been told the slow back to idle was to help
> emissions
> on de-celeration.
>
> If this is what you are describing, then it may just be normal
>
> OX
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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:07:35 EST
From: WHRanger93
Subject: sohc Ranger

I own a 93 Ranger with a 4.0 with 70 miles. I am looking to trade it in for a
98 Dakota with 5.2 V8. But i would rather have a ranger but i want a better
engine. Dont even talk about a swap i want a new truck. So my question is
does anyone know if the 4.0 sohc engine will be in the ranger with the 5
manual by the begining of July? And does a sohc actually have 2 seprate cams
and a dohc have 4 cams. Josh Thank you

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:58:06 -0700 (MST)
From: Keith Smith
Subject: Re: 2.9 Acting strange

Clueless on the idle; I have the same truck so I'll be watching for an
answer.

Pinging, first off, is an 'extra' sound, usually under acceleration.
Shift from 1st to 4th going uphill. THATS the sound.
It can be a crackle like fast Rice Crispies, or a much harder sound (the
sound of an engine being hurt). "Ping" is a misnomer, IMHO. "Tick" or
"Pock" would be more like it.

Keith Smith, Senior Statician
Division of Government Research,
University of New Mexico 87131-6026
(505) 277-3305

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:00:17 -0800
From: Bob Scola
Subject: re: Relays on 98 Ranger / Explorer

My '97 Explorer has a box on the driver's side, just off the firewall. Some
big fuses, fuel pump relays, thing like that (from memory).
But down below by the air cleaner (SOHC) on the passenger side is where the
lighting relays box is. Open the box & turn the fogs on/off you'll find the
relay by it clicking. The relays have a schmatic printed on them to help
identify the leads on the relay, this will help a lot. Then turn the box
over & you can get to the wires, the enable wire to the fog relay is
attached to the low beam circuit (I think blue). The brown wire is the
parking lamp circuit. Cut the existing enable wire (low beam circuit) into
the relay & splice the relay side of the wire into the parking light
circuit. This will now enable the fogs whenever the parking lamps are on,
so parking only, low beams or highs! With a sharp tipped circuit tester to
verify EVERYTHING & a kid in the car to turn light switches on/off it's
pretty easy to find what you need to do. When your done all the changes are
hidden in the cover on the bottom if the box. No aftermarket wires or
relays, etc tapped all over the place.

Again- I'm writing this from memory so verify EVERYTHING before you cut.

Good luck
Bob


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Back to the fog-light rewire issue for a moment.

I noticed on the previous posts about rewiring fogs to run with parking
lights,
everybodies fuse/relay box was located on the passenger side under the air
cleaner - if I remember correctly.

Well, on my 98 Ranger, as well as my 96 Explorer- this box is located on the

driver's side, just off the firewall.

I DO have the right box here, right? Has anybody found the correct relay to
tap
into??



Mike in Michigan

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 15:08:28 -0500
From: qzl0st tpc.natp.gmeds.com (EI - Michael Ioco)
Subject: re: Relays on 98 Ranger / Explorer

I wonder if this varries because you have the SOHC. I have the standard 4.0,
and it sounds like the relay click is coming from the box on the drivers side
that I mentioned. Prior to finding that, I did dig around the air-cleaner and
it didn't really seem like anything was under the box (which I couldn't get off)

I'm almost a kid myself, so I don't have a kid to assist me. Everybody else
would kick my ass if they knew I was cutting wires on my brand new truck. My 96
Explorer has 3 sets of auxillary lights which took a lot of time to hide and
wire without drilling any holes, so even my girlfriend will beat me if she knows
I'm "playing truck" already.

Mike


> My '97 Explorer has a box on the driver's side, just off the firewall. Some
> big fuses, fuel pump relays, thing like that (from memory).
> But down below by the air cleaner (SOHC) on the passenger side is where the
> lighting relays box is. Open the box & turn the fogs on/off you'll find the
> relay by it clicking. The relays have a schmatic printed on them to help
> identify the leads on the relay, this will help a lot. Then turn the box
> over & you can get to the wires, the enable wire to the fog relay is
> attached to the low beam circuit (I think blue). The brown wire is the
> parking lamp circuit. Cut the existing enable wire (low beam circuit) into
> the relay & splice the relay side of the wire into the parking light
> circuit. This will now enable the fogs whenever the parking lamps are on,
> so parking only, low beams or highs! With a sharp tipped circuit tester to
> verify EVERYTHING & a kid in the car to turn light switches on/off it's
> pretty easy to find what you need to do. When your done all the changes are
> hidden in the cover on the bottom if the box. No aftermarket wires or
> relays, etc tapped all over the place.
>
> Again- I'm writing this from memory so verify EVERYTHING before you cut.
>
> Good luck
> Bob
>
>
> ---------------------
> Back to the fog-light rewire issue for a moment.
>
> I noticed on the previous posts about rewiring fogs to run with parking
> lights,
> everybodies fuse/relay box was located on the passenger side under the air
> cleaner - if I remember correctly.
>
> Well, on my 98 Ranger, as well as my 96 Explorer- this box is located on the
>
> driver's side, just off the firewall.
>
> I DO have the right box here, right? Has anybody found the correct relay to
> tap
> into??

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:13:37 -0700 (MST)
From: Keith Smith
Subject: Re: Ranger electrical problem

Try jiggling the ignition switch with someone watching the lights.
Sometimes it can end up in a semi-on position where everything works
except for signals, blower, and backup (or some combination?). Personal
experience from my 86 BII.


On Wed, 4 Mar 1998, MEB8100 wrote:

> I am having a problem with back-up lights on a 91 Ranger with automatic trans.
> The back-up lights don't function and aren't getting power when in reverse. I
> suspect the reverse switch but think there also may be a direct short in the
> circuit. There is a 30 amp fuse in place of the 15 amp standard (from
> previous owner). When the truck is put in reverse the lights tend to dim as
> if something with a large load goes on. Has anyone had this problem and any
> suggestions? Is the back-up light switch on the trans hard to change? It
> looks hard to get to.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark Biederbeck
> MEB8100 aol.com
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Keith Smith, Senior Statician
Division of Government Research,
University of New Mexico 87131-6026
(505) 277-3305

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 17:51:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Decision on advertising on the lists

I'd like to thank everyone for all the responses I've received
so far. I plan on putting them together into one text file,
posting them to the web and emailing the URL to the lists
this evening. The number of responses has been high and I don't
want to flood the lists with them. Everyone deserves to know the
opinions expressed so they will be on a web page (which won't
have any external links so your comments are kept private).

Although so far there hasn't been a landslide in either direction,
some very compelling reasons for not advertising have been brought
to my attention.

1. Where do I draw the line? If we open the door to this, what's
to stop me from putting an ad on the bottom of **each** post?
2. Doesn't this go against the charter? If we modify the charter
or ignore this portion of it doesn't it invalid the entire
reason for having one?
3. What happens if a user has problems with the advertiser? Can
he openly complain about it without fear of getting on my
"hit list?"
4. What happens if an advertiser has a problem with a user? Right
now, the advertisers know that web advertising is completely
unrelated to the lists.
5. Mailing lists have, for the most part, been the oasis free
from advertising on the Internet.
6 Can I remain unbiased? I would like to think so but I'm only human.

Since reading many opinions, especially those from long time members,
I would have a very difficult time looking members in the eye (virtually
and at the Pigeon Forge show) who have donated money to keep the lists
going. One person even sent $100 this past summer after we got our
(expensive) domain name.

I normally put things like this to a vote, but in this case I won't.
The principle of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" seems to apply.
The lists work, they work well and they certainly aren't broken.
I think that once you read the opinions you'll agree.

Ken Payne
Admin

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:20:38 -0500
From: "Bryce"
Subject: '97 Ranger tow hook placement

I'm getting ready to mount my tow hooks on my '97 Ranger, but I'm wondering
how others have done this. I'm looking for a way to put the front ones
where they are usable while still being in a place where a tow strap won't
rip off my air dam (like the STX's have with the fog lights). any
suggestions?? also, where have others put them in the back?

Thanks,
Bryce

Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/baja/2995

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:25:51 -0500
From: "Bryce"
Subject: Smitty Bilt Nerf'Em Bars

I was wondering if anyone has had experiance with Smitty Bilt Nerf'Em
Bars?? I'm looking at the black bars that are about 66inches long for my
'97 Ranger SuperCab 4x4. Are they any good? What's a good price on
them?...I was quoted anywhere from $122 to $240 in my area. Also will the
ones from a '94-96 Ranger fit on my '97. I think the part number that I
was looking at was FN36NB.

Thanks,
Bryce

Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/baja/2995

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 18:57:34 -0500
From: "Bryan Dann"
Subject: Fw: fordtrucks-small-digest V2 #66

I just looked at my 93 Ranger 4.0 L, this box is also located on the
driver's side
just above the wheel well. It's a long black box about 9" long and runs
parallel to
the head lights, inside the box are fuses and 4 relays ( plug-in type ) one
is labeled fog lamps. If this is the correct box, how do you rewire a
plug-in type relay switch?

>Back to the fog-light rewire issue for a moment.
>
>I noticed on the previous posts about rewiring fogs to run with parking
lights,
>everybodies fuse/relay box was located on the passenger side under the air
>cleaner - if I remember correctly.
>
>Well, on my 98 Ranger, as well as my 96 Explorer- this box is located on
the
>driver's side, just off the firewall.
>
>I DO have the right box here, right? Has anybody found the correct relay
to tap
>into??

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 20:44:07 EST
From: HYDROSMITH
Subject: Re: Lifters noisey!

In a message dated 98-03-03 19:28:29 EST, you write:


miles or so. >>

I had the same noise with my lifters when I bought my 88 ext.cab 4X4 2.9L. A
lifter replacement job did not help and finally I installed a new engine long
block. After tearing down the old engine I discovered that the cam was nearly
flat! I would say that you need a cam and lifter replacement.

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Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:40:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: Opinions/feedback on web site

To those interested:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/opinion.html

I got every opinion up to 9:30 EST on it except for roughly
3 "no" opinions that I forwared to all the lists last night.
Thanks for all the feedback on this advertising issue, I
appreciate everyone's honesty.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:20:41 +0000
From: mgpkep juno.com (Michael G. Peacock)
Subject: Re: 2.9 Acting strange

Thanks Keith for responding.

I hope that I am not hearing this pinging. What I do hear is what I've
taken for granted was a sticking valve(click, click, faint and
constant). Would the pinging be load enough to hear over road noise,
because the clicking is not noticeable unless your sitting beside a wall,
like at a drive up window.

As to the idle, a helpful mechanic at Autozone opened up my throttle body
valve and looked inside, then told me to go inside and buy a can of
Thottlebody or Carb Cleaner.
He then told me not to spray the cleaner directly into the
Throttlebody(TB) as it would put a coating on the spark plugs. What to do
would be to spray a rag and then wipe the TB insides clean. BTW, do not
use the small straw that comes with the spray can. The first thing I did
was to spray directly into the TB with the straw, and yes, the straw shot
into the upper intake. Fortunately it did not go to far, but I had to
pull off the TB to reach it. While I had the TB off, I noticed that the
exhaust return channel(not sure about correct name) was completely
clogged(hate to think about the Catalytic Conv.). It took about a half
hour, a 8" piece of hanger, and a can of Carb cleaner to clear the
passage. -- long story, sorry -- the result the BII idles consistently at
900 rpm now.
A little high but I think I changed something when I move the throttle
position sensor.

I'm not good for answers but I enjoy discussing the BIIs. So email
anytime there's a question. Later -- Mike edi1.com

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:25:32 EST
From: Jmark6969
Subject: Re: Front leveling coils

Brice,

I got a 96 ranger and i want to level it to. Let me know what kind of
response you get. Thanks jeff in dallas

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Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:27:34 EST
From: Jmark6969
Subject: Re: Ranger 4 cyl gas milage

I got a 96 4 banger and it gets that kinda mileage

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Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:52:47 -0700
From: Eddie Torres
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-small-digest V2 #63

What / how did you get the 5-6 inch lift? I have a '97 V-4 that I
want to lift 6 or so inches. Also, maybe you know - what are the largest
size of tires I can put without them scraping into anything?
At 07:44 3/03/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>i own two rangers with 302's. one's a four wheel drive with 5-6 inches
>of lift, and the others a two wheel drive with a 2 inch drop. Due to
>the mass of the extra two cylinders, there is an increase in mass, but
>not noticeably...
>I solved most of the weight considerations by going with aluminum
>heads and a pair of stainless steel headers....that knocked off almost....


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