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fordtrucks-small-digest Saturday, January 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 018



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In this issue:

Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [mark fitzgerald
Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
Who cares about Toyota ["Robert Stinnett TSO]
Re: Who cares about Toyota [Ernie Hannig ]
Re: Who cares about Toyota [Thom Cheney ]
re: Who cares about Toyota [KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)]
Kind Request [Brad Allerheiligen ]
Re: Ranger SOHC 4.0L? [Dave Armbruster ]
Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [Gardner ]
Re: Who cares about Toyota ["Bryce" ]
Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [FastRngXLT ]
Re: Who cares about Toyota [Gardner ]
Re: Who cares about Toyota [FastRngXLT ]
Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [FastRngXLT ]
The Final Instalment...Re: Ranger Manual Trans. Slave Cylinder ["Bryce"
Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp? [Gardner ]
Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [Gardner ]
transmission problems..... [mark fitzgerald ]
Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity [FastRngXLT ]
ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts [Ken Payne
CB range [Blest25913 ]

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 05:19:39 -0800 (PST)
From: mark fitzgerald
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

i'm almost positive that all ranger axles will bolt right up. things
to consider..uh.....if you ahve rear abs....i know it was an option on
some rangers...uhh...nothin else i can think of.....

fitzy
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:19:40 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp?

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:43:41 -0500 Gardner writes:

>Thats my only defense when arguing with people about trucks..Is that
>Ford sales more for a reason...but its not because it leads in
>horsepower!!!!


Thats a fact! Not just in truck sales but in Sports car sales as well
(i.e. Mustang)



silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:19:40 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp?

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 16:46:12 -0500 Gardner writes:
>Ernie Hannig wrote:

>Still not fair if you consider that the tacoma is a full size but
>still
>weighs less than the compact competitors...so even bigger than the
>ranger it is lighter with more horsepower...but I also would not ever
>want to have an accident in one!
>

Your thinking of the T-100. The Tacomas are Toyotas compact truck.



silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:19:40 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp?

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 14:17:26 -0600 Ernie Hannig
writes:
>Unfortunately, a more fair comparison to the Ranger 4.0L is the Toyota
>DOHC
>V6 (190bhp) available as an option on the extended cab Tacomas (I
>believe
>its the standard T100 engine). I too hope Ford will catch on and offer
>more
>porwerful engines in the Ranger (but not too soon...my wife will kill
>me if
>I don't keep my '98 4.0L for a few years!).
>ernie


I have to agree. The Toyota Tacoma is the only truck that comes close to
doing what the Rangers can do, offer a good motor, and price range is
well within "compact truck cost". Although, it looks like Nisson has
been playing catch up here lately and has made their truck a little
better too.



silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:19:40 EST
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp?

On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:36:19, -0500 KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J
TENNEY) writes:

>
>ps. Just wait till they test a Dakota RT vs a 4.0 Splash...:-(


Yep, and that Dakota can be yours for over 20 grand! (Whoa! I can buy a
good full size for that price!) Performance doesn't come cheap. So much
for the affordable compact truck. I think the Dakota is so far out of its
class that its not even funny.




silent.bob juno.com
95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:15:43 EST
From: "Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE"
Subject: Who cares about Toyota

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I don't care how much whiz-bang power a Toyota has. I bought a FORD for a
reason - dependability. If I wanted to own a piece of 1/16th inch metal
with an engine in it I'd a bought a foreign piece of a junk, but I bought
something that has stood the test of time.

If you all are so ga-ga over these little tin boxes, then I suggest you run
out, trade your Ford in and buy one and let the rest of us be. I guarantee you
that 5 years from now we'll still be going on down the road while you are
trying to keep the engine mount from cracking for a 3rd time.

I don't care how good they are, how cheap they are, how fast they are, I
will -never- own a foreign made vehicle. I'd rather walk first.

Rob

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 10:27:33 -0600
From: Ernie Hannig
Subject: Re: Who cares about Toyota

Agreed! This thread started out over base horsepower, and I think we agree
that it would be nice if Ford offered more in the Ranger for those who want
it. However, regardless of hosrspower, we all bought Ford, not
Toyota,.....'nuff said.





At 10:15 AM 1/16/1998 EST, you wrote:
>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>I don't care how much whiz-bang power a Toyota has. I bought a FORD for a
>reason - dependability. If I wanted to own a piece of 1/16th inch metal
>with an engine in it I'd a bought a foreign piece of a junk, but I bought
>something that has stood the test of time.
>
>If you all are so ga-ga over these little tin boxes, then I suggest you run
>out, trade your Ford in and buy one and let the rest of us be. I guarantee you
>that 5 years from now we'll still be going on down the road while you are
>trying to keep the engine mount from cracking for a 3rd time.
>
>I don't care how good they are, how cheap they are, how fast they are, I
>will -never- own a foreign made vehicle. I'd rather walk first.
>
>Rob
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:05:12 -0800
From: Thom Cheney
Subject: Re: Who cares about Toyota

Boy, talk about hitting a nerve!! I gotta add my .02 here, just to fuel
the fire. I have mentioned before that I sold a Toyota to get my new
Ranger. In defense of the Toyota, in 6 years it NEVER let me down. It
was comfortable and worked very well for what I wanted. Let's not argue
about reliability or quality. When I bought that truck it was (IMHO)
the best small truck on the market. All the domestic trucks I drove
looked like they had been assembled from old Chrysler K-car parts by
chimps wearing snow mittens.

Now, 6 years later, I did the same thing.... drove every truck in the
class... bought the best one. The Ranger is EXTREMELY well built.
Definitely a much tougher truck. I question why Ford can't seem to
build enough SOHC engines to outfit its SUV's and the best selling
compact truck as well, but I'll live with the 160 hp (for now).

Would I buy another Toyota? Yes... I refuse to bury my head in the sand
and limit myself to one brand of vehicle. For the next 6 years I will
be crossing my fingers (til they turn Ford blue) that my totally cool
Ranger is as reliable as the last truck I owned.

Please Ford, if you are listening.... we really want 220 hp from this
4.0 engine. You KNOW it can be done.... just do it!!!!!

TC

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:07:40, -0500
From: KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J TENNEY)
Subject: re: Who cares about Toyota

Robbert,

We aren't "so ga-ga" about this foriegn junk. We were just stating
that some of these have a bit more HP than the Ranger, which is
upsetting. We all bought Fords for the obvious reason....they are
the best damn trucks on the road.

Josh

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 09:36:51 -0800
From: Brad Allerheiligen
Subject: Kind Request

Hey guy's I'm not trying to play List Patrolman, but could we please try and
use a little more "cut and paste" in the replys that are going out to the list. I
mean you don't have to include all the headers, the tag lines, and the
erroneous BS, it makes reading the posts much more enjoyable.

Thank you,
Brad 94 Ranger PreRunner (NSTYXLT)

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 12:10:06 -0700
From: Dave Armbruster
Subject: Re: Ranger SOHC 4.0L?

>I've got the 1998 and 1997 ranger brochures right in front of me and it
>doesn't look like there's any 4.0L SOHC available yet...the funny thing is
>that the 1997 Brochure says, and I quote, "The optional 4.0L SEFI single
>overhead cam v6 (shown below) delivers the ultimate in Ranger performance."
>This is on page nine. Typo or bait and switch?? Hmmmm...I want my 4.0L
>replaced with the SOHC 4.0L
>
>Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/baja/2995

Story I heard about that is that they intended to put the SOHC 4.0L in the
1997, but Ford simply under estimated and allocated them to the Explorer
and Taurus. I wondered this too, since I ordered my 1997 with the thought
that the OHC was the engine that I was getting. After a while of looking
at it, I thought it didn't look like the right engine, and found out that
was the case. Beats me why they didn't correct this in the 1998, though.
Nice thing about the push rod 4.0L is the fact that there is a lot of
aftermarket products readily available to upgrade with (for example see:
).

Dave

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:12:16 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

mark fitzgerald wrote:
>
> i'm almost positive that all ranger axles will bolt right up. things
> to consider..uh.....if you ahve rear abs....i know it was an option on
> some rangers...uhh...nothin else i can think of.....
>
> fitzy
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
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Try to find a 8.8 out of a ranger...mine has an 8.8 with 3.73 and the it
works rather well. The gearing seems to be just right!

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:30:44 -0500
From: "Bryce"
Subject: Re: Who cares about Toyota

- ----------
> From: Robert Stinnett TSO8352 - HOMENODE

> To: fordtrucks-small listservice.net
> Subject: Who cares about Toyota
> Date: Friday, January 16, 1998 10:15 AM
>
>
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- ---
>
> I don't care how much whiz-bang power a Toyota has
any educated consumer checks out the competition before plunking down some
cash.

> If you all are so ga-ga over these little tin boxes, then I suggest you
run
> out, trade your Ford in and buy one and let the rest of us be.
Could have, have and didn't this time...I knew which was the best.

> I guarantee you
> that 5 years from now we'll still be going on down the road while you are
> trying to keep the engine mount from cracking for a 3rd time.
Or getting a new clutch for the third time...opps, that was my POS Mazda
manual trans in my Ranger...but they admitted a design flaw and fixed it
(unlike a certian foreign truck manufacturer and/or dealer that I had other
problems with), so I'm ok with it now...

>
> I don't care how good they are, how cheap they are, how fast they are, I
> will -never- own a foreign made vehicle. I'd rather walk first.
yeah, get a good ole American car like my wife's European designed, Mexican
built '95 Ford Contour SE MTX...Great car though...or my Ranger that was
assembled in New Jersey with a German Engine (works great) and my 5sp.
manual transmission from Japan. Face it, there is no such thing as a
Japaneese or American or foreign car any more.

This is not a slam at Rangers or Ford...Both cars in my garage are Fords
and are the best two cars I've owned after getting the initial bugs out of
them under warranty. I have owned more Fords than any other brand. I
didn't buy them simply because I got a deal on them (although I did on
both) nor because I couln't afford better nor because their parrent company
resides in a certian nation. Both vehicles suited our needs, we felt they
were made well, liked the looks and driving qualities, and we felt they
were a good value for our money. I plan on keeping both of these vehicles
for an extended period of time.

Bryce
Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/baja/2995

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:19:15 EST
From: FastRngXLT
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

In a message dated 1/16/98 3:11:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
garrpam netgsi.com writes:


works rather well. The gearing seems to be just right! >>

I think the 8.8 rear end only comes on the 4.0L equiped Rangers, it would be
hard to find a wrecked 4.0L with an 8.8 and 3:73 gear combo in a junk yard.
But hey, mabey I will get lucky. I'm looking for something that has the gears
I want but is not beat up since my truck still looks brand new.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:25:45 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Who cares about Toyota

MR JOSH J TENNEY wrote:
>
> Robbert,
>
> We aren't "so ga-ga" about this foriegn junk. We were just stating
> that some of these have a bit more HP than the Ranger, which is
> upsetting. We all bought Fords for the obvious reason....they are
> the best damn trucks on the road.
>
> Josh
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Well SAID!

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:13:00 EST
From: FastRngXLT
Subject: Re: Who cares about Toyota

In a message dated 1/16/98 11:37:16 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tcgrafx imagina.com writes:


4.0 engine. You KNOW it can be done.... just do it!!!!! >>

Oh, you can get alot more than 220 HP from that 4.0L pushrod engine with the
right aftermarket performance parts.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:00:54 EST
From: FastRngXLT
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

In a message dated 1/16/98 8:19:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
fitzy5.0 rocketmail.com writes:


to consider..uh.....if you ahve rear abs....i know it was an option on
some rangers...uhh...nothin else i can think of.....

fitzy >>

Yea, ABS is the only think I could think of. The donor I'm looking at has
rear ABS.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 16:06:20 -0500
From: "Bryce"
Subject: The Final Instalment...Re: Ranger Manual Trans. Slave Cylinder

I never saw this one go out, so, excuse me it you got it twice...

Ok...I got my receipt today for my repairs last week...all total, I got a
new clutch disc, pressure plate, pilot bearing and redesigned slave
cylinder (and some sort of cover is also listed???) The trucks been
working fine for the last week and I hope this ongoing saga is finally
over...
It also sonds like they have a TSB for the Cowbell sound in the
driveshafts...not sure of the number, but my service record shows the
following: "DID TSB FOR LOCK TIGHT FOR FRONT AND REAR YOKE" The cowbell is
now gone!!!
This was all done under warranty and all my charges are zeroed out, so I
can't tell how much it cost this time...

Bryce
Bryce's 4xFord Ranger Page
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/baja/2995

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:20:00 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Toyota 4 banger = 160 hp?

Silent . Bob wrote:
>
> On Thu, 15 Jan 1998 13:36:19, -0500 KNBD87D prodigy.com (MR JOSH J
> TENNEY) writes:
>
> >
> >ps. Just wait till they test a Dakota RT vs a 4.0 Splash...:-(
>
> Yep, and that Dakota can be yours for over 20 grand! (Whoa! I can buy a
> good full size for that price!) Performance doesn't come cheap. So much
> for the affordable compact truck. I think the Dakota is so far out of its
> class that its not even funny.
>
> silent.bob juno.com
> 95 Ranger 2.3L, SVO OHC
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordRanger.com (Ranger Site)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.FordManTed.com (Mustang Site)
>
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I was quoted 14,636 (invoice) plus 200 for the salesperson for a
1998(factory ordered) Dakota Sport with 5.2L 5 speed a/c and sport
package with 3.90 gear ratio! Not a bad price but think I will go with
the 5.0 swap instead in the summer...the aftermarket products for 5.0 is
plentiful

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 17:37:15 -0500
From: Gardner
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

FastRngXLT wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/16/98 3:11:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> garrpam netgsi.com writes:
>
>
> works rather well. The gearing seems to be just right! >>
>
> I think the 8.8 rear end only comes on the 4.0L equiped Rangers, it would be
> hard to find a wrecked 4.0L with an 8.8 and 3:73 gear combo in a junk yard.
> But hey, mabey I will get lucky. I'm looking for something that has the gears
> I want but is not beat up since my truck still looks brand new.
> +---------Ford Truck Enthusiasts - Ranger, Explorer & Bronco 2--------+
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Thats strange mine is a Splash with a 2.3!!! It come in all rangers none
in perticular! Hope this makes your search easier. The numbers are right
on the tag mine reads 88 3 73. It is a 1994 if you are curious

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:36:39 -0800 (PST)
From: mark fitzgerald
Subject: transmission problems.....

ok here's the story. i was driving down the road the other day and
suddenly began smelling trannie fluid burning. pulling over, i looked
under the truck and saw about 1/4 of a quart of trannie fluid pouring
out from the dust shield on the trannie. Now the good news is that
this only happens when the truck is running or for about 30 seconds
after i shut it off. The burning smell is from the fluid dripping onto
the exhaust right below. The truck is a 1984 Ranger with a 302 and C4
trannie with a Dana 20 transfer case.
Any ideas or guesses would be greatly appreciated as it is a bi*ch to
drop the trannie due to tight confines.
Appreciative,
Fitzy





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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 22:54:08 EST
From: FastRngXLT
Subject: Re: Ranger 3:73 gear upgrade/fesiablity

In a message dated 1/16/98 5:46:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,
garrpam netgsi.com writes:


in perticular! Hope this makes your search easier. The numbers are right
on the tag mine reads 88 3 73. It is a 1994 if you are curious >>

Ok, I will improve that last statement, the Splash package has a 8.8 rear end
also.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 23:59:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: 1st Anniversary of Ford Truck Enthusiasts

Anniversary...
2nd week in January will be Ford Truck Enthusiast's 1st year
anniversary. I would like to invite everyone to join Peggy
and I on the chat page of the web site on Sunday, January 18th
from 8pm Eastern time to 10pm Eastern time to chat with each
other as a "net party" to celebrate. Bring your memories,
especially the members who were here early on (remember the
great Slick 50 flame war?).....


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