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small-list Digest Tue, 27 Jun 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 097

In This Issue:
Re: Brake Question
Re: ADMIN: How have they been?
Rubber or Poly?
Re: [Re: ADMIN: How have they been?]
Re: [97 Explorer Window Motor]
Re: [Re: ADMIN: How have they been?]
Re: BBS, Web, Ads etc.
ADMIN: List problems

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 07:58:53 -0400
From: "William A. Hopkins" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Brake Question

You were told wrong, all this time. The brake warning light CAN
illustrate a low fluid level, which CAN indicate wear (after all,
as the pads wear down, more fluid is going to fill the cavity in
the caliper), but in reality, the light tells you to check, or
someone to check, your brake system. If you're suffering a fluid
loss due to a leak, the light goes on, if you've got your parking
brake set, the light's on, if you've suffered a failure in your
brake system, barring running the rear shoes to the rivets, your
light should come on. It means "CHECK YOUR BRAKING SYSTEM".
Your cursory inspection indicated a low master cylinder level.
Don't stop there! No pun intended. Check it again at the end of
each day for a week, You don't want a fluid leak, no matter how
small! After that, simply eyeball it each time you check your
oil level, about every 200-300 miles.
So now you can go back to all your 'advisors', and clear up what
that light really means.


> From: "C R Blanchard" siue.edu>
> Subject: Re: Brake Question
> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 22:43:20 -0500
>
> Well, I pulled the wheels this weekend and the pads still look like they
> have some life left in them. I guess it was just a case of low fluid,
> because I added some and the problem has gone away.
>
> I had always been told that with any sensored brake system, as the pads wore
> down, the fluid would drop an equal level. This meant that when the pads
> where ready to be changed, the light would go on.
>
> I was assuming this was true in all cases. Apparently it is not, or the
> shop that did my brakes last did not reset the level to the proper level.
> It was a Chevy dealer after all. (I bought it used, obviously)
>
> Thanks for the advise.
>
> Rick

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 08:51:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: How have they been?

At 10:46 PM 6/26/00 , you wrote:

>Ken
>don't shut down the list. It was just a question.
>I did not need my ass jumped.
>I can find the door myself, thank you.

I wasn't jumping you. My sarcasm obviously didn't come
across right (that's the problem with email). It was
supposed to convey that we do have options, none of
them good, and that the ads are the lessor of many evils.

Ken



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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 15:13:09 -0800
From: "Shane A. Watson" UAA.ALASKA.EDU>
Subject: Rubber or Poly?


I have heard that using the polys are stiffer and you can have more vibes
because they do not absorb as much vibration like rubber ones do. Polys
last longer, but makes the ride stiffer which would be great if you take
your BII off road.

I don't know about the bushing stacking, but I would get a better solution
of lifting up the body, rather than a cheap solution that may be
problematic in the future. If I go along with that idea, I would use poly
because they are stiffer, but for safety and possible damage to your
truck, I would look into other ideas of doing body lift.

Good luck,

<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>
*Shane A Watson*
<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>


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Date: 27 Jun 00 20:32:24 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: ADMIN: How have they been?]

Ken Payne ford-trucks.com> wrote:
> At 09:51 PM 6/26/00 , you wrote:
> >do we REALLY have to have them?
>
> No, you REALLY don't have to have them. You can,
> out of the goodness of your heart, decide that the
> service is worth something to you and help cover the
> bandwidth expense

That's a quick way to chapter 11 or 13. If I was lucky the old BBS would draw
$100 in any given month with a monthly expense closer to a house payment...

> which is equivalent to a monthly
> car payment.

A darn *NICE* vehicle at that I'd imagine.

> Or, another option is that I can shut
> down the lists....

I'm glad to see it was just a 'footer' myself; I was envisioning those dawgone
banners at the top of the e-mails. Don't tell the advertisers but I ignore
footers! ;-) On the bright side maybe people will actually trim 'em from the
replies now!

It's a DAMN hard decision to ask for $$ or to accept advertising to keep what
was a hobby, but now a financial drain/business going, but a necessary evil.
I certainly would like the site to stay up and can think of a lot more
obnoxious ways to increase it's revenue. Hopefully the footer ad's will
produce enough income to make FTE somewhat pay it's own way. Even if it
turned a profit from it Ken's earned it the hard way.. With few (if ANY)
exceptions we don't realise the time & $$ it takes to run a truly popular site
of this magnitude.

Tim

> make a donation to Speedway Children's Charities. You get the

As a racing fan I cant think of a better charity to support with advertising
either...

TT

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Date: 27 Jun 00 21:03:06 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [97 Explorer Window Motor]

"Bobby Herring" earthlink.net> wrote:

> I have a 97 Explorer XLT with power windows and the one on the front
> passenger side has decided to stop working. I pulled the inside panel off
> and looked around but can't see any way to get the motor out. I removed a
> nut and one bolt but it still seemed to be very solid. There are two bolts
> that look like they are attached to the motor and I loosened these but
still
> no luck. What is the trick to getting it out?

In General for Ford there's 3-4 'Pop' rivets and 3 bolts/nuts holding the
motor and window regulator in place with 2 more rivets or bolts holding the
window to the regulator. Lower the window to gain access to the attaching
hardware, secure window in a safe position, remove all attachements for the
regulator/motor ass'y and remove from the door in one piece, secure the
regulator from moving (BIG spring that will snap the reg. into another
position when the motor is removed and will break your fingers if not
careful!), remove motor. As the manuals say "Installation is the reverse";
noting the following:

1) The rivets are larger than the usual hand tool pop-rivets you may be used
to and require a hefty riveter. (In some cases bolts & nuts may be used for
installation to replace the rivets but watch clearances and such, also
loc-tite would be a good idea.)

2) If the window is attached with rivets it's yet another sized rivet (longer)
and a short one will fail within a week. Havent tried bolts in this
application having seen the shop 'know it all' do so and shatter the (tinted!)
window.

> Any chance of a loose wire?

Usually the switches or the motors, but sometimes the wiring between the cab
and the door breaks internally.

> It wouldn't work from the passenger door controls about a week ago. I tried
> the driver side control and it started working from both controls. That was
> ok for a week and then it did it again. This time, it won't work from
either
> control.

A test light or DVOM is helpful here; should have B+ on one terminal and Gnd
on the other with the switch in one position and reversed for the other
position (at the motor). If you do then the motor is bad. If not then start
backtracking to find the reason. (Schematic would be handy here. )

> Any help or pointers to a web site with diagrams would be greatly
> appreciated.

If no better suggestion is offered let me know and I can fax a copy of the
wiring diagram your way during business hours.


Tim

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Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 21:19:33 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: [Re: ADMIN: How have they been?]

At 08:32 PM 6/27/00 , you wrote:
-snip-

>That's a quick way to chapter 11 or 13. If I was lucky the old BBS would draw
>$100 in any given month with a monthly expense closer to a house payment...
>
> > which is equivalent to a monthly
> > car payment.
>
>A darn *NICE* vehicle at that I'd imagine.

It would pay for my 2000 Ranger. It would probably cover a new F150.

> > Or, another option is that I can shut
> > down the lists....
>
>I'm glad to see it was just a 'footer' myself; I was envisioning those dawgone
>banners at the top of the e-mails. Don't tell the advertisers but I ignore
>footers! ;-) On the bright side maybe people will actually trim 'em from the
>replies now!
>
>It's a DAMN hard decision to ask for $$ or to accept advertising to keep what
>was a hobby, but now a financial drain/business going, but a necessary evil.
> I certainly would like the site to stay up and can think of a lot more
>obnoxious ways to increase it's revenue. Hopefully the footer ad's will
>produce enough income to make FTE somewhat pay it's own way. Even if it
>turned a profit from it Ken's earned it the hard way.. With few (if ANY)
>exceptions we don't realise the time & $$ it takes to run a truly popular site
>of this magnitude.
>
>Tim

-snip-

It was a very difficult decision. I wrestled with it for 2 months
and even asked several list members privately. I'm hoping it can
just be a stop-gap measure until I can get more web advertisers to
cover the cost.

Its gone beyond just server expenses to keep the site going. In
order to pay the server expenses, I must have the online store and
advertisers. To support both of those, a business line. To connect
to the server, a DSL connection (a modem is nearly impossible).
For the dedicated server, the initial cost, monthly co-location
fees and bandwidth fees. To support the above, accounting software
and a laptop computer for the wife because I'm >>always<< on mine
maintaining the site and I can use the laptop when out of town
(you never take a complete vacation from the site).

To keep the IRS off our backs, an accountant. To support orders,
a laser printer, paper (we go through about 1000 pages of paper
per month), and toner. To handle the web content, a USB flatbed
scanner. To handle misc mail, a PO box. To handle shipping larger
items, a UPS account. To make sure I'm always available to web
advertisers, a cell phone. To handle Purchase Orders, a fax
machine. To handle inventory, 12 sets of shelves. To keep
everything up 24x7, 3 UPSs on my system and one for the laptop.

Plus, 3 desks, 3 filing cabinets, $50-$100/month long distance
charges and more. I'm sure I probably missed 50% of our expenses
but you get the picture! If I didn't like Ford trucks so much,
and wasn't such a loyal FoMoCo fan I would have given up a long
time ago. I took a huge pay cut quitting my job 3 weeks ago so I
could maintain the site full time, but it was either that or
shut it down. It takes 40-50 hours a week to maintain, regardless
of whether I have another job!

As a former BBS operator, I'm sure you can relate. I was pretty
active in the BBS days, and even then 90% of the users wanted
it all free without realizing what it take to run a successful
service. There are many sites out there. There are few that
keep the users coming back. The Ford community seems to be the
exception rather than the rule because there are many quality
Ford enthusiast sites out there.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: 27 Jun 00 23:17:51 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: BBS, Web, Ads etc.

Ken Payne ford-trucks.com> wrote:
> At 08:32 PM 6/27/00 , you wrote:

> (you never take a complete vacation from the site).

That's for sure.. I remember the time I had to take a business trip to LV ;
had people staying at the house to take care of things, others watching THEIR
backs etc. etc. Of course things still got snafued and the 'watchers' all
thought the others had made wrong decisions.

> To make sure I'm always available to web
> advertisers, a cell phone.

Oh.. I forgot to mention the phone ringing at any and all Hours didn't I?

> I'm sure I probably missed 50% of our expenses
> but you get the picture!

Easily. Don't forget to factor in what your time is worth as well.

> I took a huge pay cut quitting my job 3 weeks ago so I
> could maintain the site full time, but it was either that or
> shut it down. It takes 40-50 hours a week to maintain, regardless
> of whether I have another job!

I did that too in 1993... (not quitting, but negotiated for different hours)
It's only been in the last two years I'm up to what I made then. These $$
don't get quite what the 1993 ones did either.

>
> As a former BBS operator, I'm sure you can relate. I was pretty
> active in the BBS days, and even then 90% of the users wanted
> it all free without realizing what it take to run a successful
> service.

Back then I'd say 97%... the other 3% had tried it (they were the ones that'd
pop a Franklin my way if they had some luck.)

> There are many sites out there. There are few that
> keep the users coming back.

Aside from porn sites anyway.. even then there needs to be a unique feature
lately.

> The Ford community seems to be the
> exception rather than the rule because there are many quality
> Ford enthusiast sites out there.

Sure.. but only one that addresses the truck owners in a comprehensive way;
take a bow and accept the mantle. Odd that of the 3 lists I subscribe to this
was the only one to really have any complaint about the footer ads. (Also the
busiest of the three if that means anything..)

Summer is always the time I get on a hair trigger; you may be the same.. hang
in there Ken and know your efforts are well appreciated by many. Plenty of
places I can waste my time/share knowledge on-line but since I've found it
this is stop #1.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2000 12:22:18 -0400
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: List problems

Some of the list subscribers may have missed some list
mail yesterday and today. Our dedicated hosting company
made changes to our sendmail config 3 days ago without
realizing I had customized it. In the process of trying
to get everything working correctly, I broke this list
queue.

Everything should work normally now.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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