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small-list Digest Wed, 16 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 008

In This Issue:
Re: "Should I recommend..."
parts
talkin' about chips
Re: Best Deals
Re: Best Deals
Re: talkin' about chips
Re: Best Deals
Re: UK; lists etc. Was Re: Reliabilty of Ford]
Re: [Re: [Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...]]
93-95 EXPLORER RECALL
Re: [Ford], service
Buzzing Sound
Re: [Re: talkin about chips]
Re: Buzzing Sound
Re: [[Pun and OT}
Re: small-list Digest V2000 #6
Re: Late hours Was [93-95 EXPLORER RECALL]
Ethnic Slurs
Ranger rear-end
Re: [Re: Buzzing Sound]
Re: [Ranger rear-end]
Re: Best Deals
Starter motor

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From: "Jeffrey L. Jue" netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: "Should I recommend..."
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:20:29 -0600

As for the cargo space of the Explorer with the seat down, you are looking
right at about 6 feet from the center console/front seats to the lift gate.
I figured this out by measuring to be sure that some 6 ft. Subway Sandwiches
would fit straight, and they did. It's good that they didn't need to be
diagonal since I didn't feel like rearranging the everything just to get the
food in there since I was carrying 1 person in the back & I had some
machinery that was a pain to move.

Jeffrey L. Jue
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From: rgstein pacbell.net
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 01:45:48 -0800
Subject: "Should I recommend..."

Hey, y'all,

So, the question: can I get what I want in an Explorer (or other Ford
SUV?). I mean, what I need is 6 flat feet in which to stretch out behind
the front seats. I also want something with a decently-long hood, so
that people can get at the engine and the other mechanicals. How's the
handling, ride smoothness? Seats? Reliability? Repairability? Safety
Etc.? Auto transmission? I can do fine with a 2WD version.



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From: "Travis Johnson" hotmail.com>
Subject: parts
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 23:24:05 MST

I'm probably going to buy an '88(?) (it has aluminum tailgate cover and
older front end, there's no paperwork)ranger w/2.3L, 5spd, & 4x4 for parts.
My question is will the trannsmission match up to an '86 B-II w/ 2.9L & 4x4
and is the high pressure fuel pump from the 4 cyl the same as the one for
the 6?
Also, I pulled off my LR tire and drum today to see what was rattling and
found out the park brake equalizer bar had somehow fallen out of place and
was riding on the drum. while I was looking at that I noticed that the wheel
seal(?) is leaking, how hard is it to change?
I figure I will change the fluid in the diff while I have everything apart,
so I'm wondering what kind of fluid and additive is supposed to be put in
for the limited slip? Last of all, I have heard that the limited slip came
with the STX package, is this true? Thanks for any advice.

Travis,
Flatheadv8
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From: "Steinbrook, Steve" mail.rfweston.com>
Subject: talkin' about chips
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:46:26 -0500

I do not know that much about these computer chips but I understand what
they can do for an automatic transmission in controlling when the gears
change. What do these chips do for a manual? Is it worth getting a chip
for a manual transmission truck? Is it the fuel/air mixture that it
changes? What else?

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From: "Robert Eberhardt" uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Best Deals
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:48:11 -0700

I put an ADS Superchip on my '94 4.0L Ranger. It was a complete waste of
$249.00. I ordered it along with a larger mass-air meter from Central Coast
Mustang (4.0 liter Performance) back in 1995. At the time I already had an
Exhaust-Tech cat back exhaust and a K&N fliter. After putting in the chip, I
ran my truck at the track in Milan, MI. I made 5 runs with the chip
installed. I removed it and made 5 more runs with it out and put it back in
again to do 5 more runs. All 15 runs were within .1 seconds. Some of my runs
without the chip were quicker and some were slower than my runs with the
chip. My quickest ET of the day was made without the chip. That was even
after 200-300 miles to let the computer relearn anything it needed to and
with 93 Octane Sunoco gas. It did remove (or at least raised) my rev-limiter
though. I don't know if it was removed or just raised since I didn't attempt
to rev it high enough to find out. I contacted Superchips with my results
and they wrote back stating that they design the Superchip for the Ranger
more for towing and low-end torque. They wouldn't expect for me to see an
acceleration improvement in the 1/4 mile. The only thing that gave me an
improvement in the 1/4 mile was the cat-back exhaust. I picked up .23
seconds and 2 1/2 MPH with it.

Robert

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>
>From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
>Subject: Re: Best Deals
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:41:08 -0800
>
>Mike,
>Do you currently run a Superchip in a Ranger? I'm curious about chips, and
>would like to know why you recommend Superchips. Any other comments from
>anyone would also be helpful.
>Thanks.



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From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
Subject: Re: Best Deals
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 07:37:05 -0800

Good info. I have a 94 Ranger 4.0 4x4 (5 speed) as well, and am now
thinking to spend the money on something else (after reading about your
experiences).
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Eberhardt [mailto:reberhardt uswest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 6:48 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Best Deals


I put an ADS Superchip on my '94 4.0L Ranger. It was a complete waste of
$249.00. I ordered it along with a larger mass-air meter from Central Coast
Mustang (4.0 liter Performance) back in 1995. At the time I already had an
Exhaust-Tech cat back exhaust and a K&N fliter. After putting in the chip, I
ran my truck at the track in Milan, MI. I made 5 runs with the chip
installed. I removed it and made 5 more runs with it out and put it back in
again to do 5 more runs. All 15 runs were within .1 seconds. Some of my runs
without the chip were quicker and some were slower than my runs with the
chip. My quickest ET of the day was made without the chip. That was even
after 200-300 miles to let the computer relearn anything it needed to and
with 93 Octane Sunoco gas. It did remove (or at least raised) my rev-limiter
though. I don't know if it was removed or just raised since I didn't attempt
to rev it high enough to find out. I contacted Superchips with my results
and they wrote back stating that they design the Superchip for the Ranger
more for towing and low-end torque. They wouldn't expect for me to see an
acceleration improvement in the 1/4 mile. The only thing that gave me an
improvement in the 1/4 mile was the cat-back exhaust. I picked up .23
seconds and 2 1/2 MPH with it.

Robert

>------------------------------
>
>From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
>Subject: Re: Best Deals
>Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2000 10:41:08 -0800
>
>Mike,
>Do you currently run a Superchip in a Ranger? I'm curious about chips, and
>would like to know why you recommend Superchips. Any other comments from
>anyone would also be helpful.
>Thanks.


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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 11:13:00 -0800
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: talkin' about chips

"Steinbrook, Steve" wrote:
>
> I do not know that much about these computer chips but I understand what
> they can do for an automatic transmission in controlling when the gears
> change. What do these chips do for a manual? Is it worth getting a chip
> for a manual transmission truck? Is it the fuel/air mixture that it
> changes? What else?

Steve,

My truck is a manual. The chip doesn't do anything for
a manual tranny. What the chip does is increase the HP and
torque of the motor. It is usually done by changing the
timing and the air/fuel ratio.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: Best Deals
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:57:56 -0500

1) Area code (540)...Is that Fredricksburg, VA and if so where
abouts?

2) Did you also change out the T-stat and if not do you see any
noticeable change in engine temps with the superchip?

3) You say nothing but results.......what kind/how measurable?

Thank You.
Take Care and Have a Good Day.
CUL8R, Mike

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Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2000 2:23 AM
Subject: [small-list] Re: Best Deals


> David Cooley wrote:
> >
> > At 03:51 PM 2/15/2000 , you wrote:
> > >David,
> > >Do you recommend another chip manufacturer, or none at all?
> >
> > I haven't found one yet that really lived up to their
advertisements as far
> > as Ford vehicles go... JET isn't a chip, but an "Interceptor".
Connects
> > between the computer and harness and "modifies" sensor values and
computer
> > outputs... I know several people that bought them, but returned
them when
> > they saw no improvement in performance or mileage.
> >
> > ===========================================================
> > David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net
> > Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
> > We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
> > ===========================================================
>
> I have had a Jet Chip on my 97 F-150 4.6L 5 speed 4x4. I
> then ordered a Superchips Inc. chip for it. I had the top
> speed limiter removed and the rev limiter set to 6500 rpm.
> Let me tell you I got nothing but results from the
> Superchips. I now have a 00 F-150 and it has a Superchips.
> Contact Mike Troyer at (540) 862-9515.
> He is the national Distributor for Superchips. Ask him
> about the product. No BS just facts.
>
> Regards
>
> Jean Marc Chartier
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Date: 16 Feb 00 19:07:49 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: UK; lists etc. Was Re: Reliabilty of Ford]

"Neil Brownlee" offroading.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> Ken,
>
> It was the dealer and Ford UK actually, I tried to get Ford UK to police
> their dealer network, but was told point blank where to get off. I was even
> told that there was only ONE Ford garage in the UK, and all the others were
> franchises and therefore Ford UK did not recognise them as approved
> dealerships.....


Hmm.. Know if any of the above (real or franchised) would pay relocation costs
from the states for someone familliar with the beasties over here? Sounds
like they need a few...

so er, I blame Ford UK (bear in mind that Ford UK is NOT
> FoMOCo either...)

And neither is Ford of Australia. (Of which I'm reminded every time I need
parts for that Aussie built '93 Capri of Kim's.. Ouch!)

>
> Also, I'm subscribed to this list because :-
>
> a. I was and the advice can be applied to a majority of vehciles :)

I recall the go-round you had before getting the Rover; also I'm pretty sure
the list FAQs state something along the lines of "Ownership is not a
requirement, just an interest in Ford Trucks is". Either way it's good to
have some people with negative experiences to remind us that not ALL vehicles
are built equally during production and lemons do happen.

>
> b. As I stated, I am currently trying to wrap a LR 109" aluminium body
> around a rolling Explorer chassis.

Interesting project.. a Land Explorer or an Exploring Rover?

> So I can imagine I'm
> going to have some fun removing all the electronic stuff from the
engine....

I might try to retain all that stuff if possible, but that's just me. :-)

Tim


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Date: 16 Feb 00 19:30:30 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...]]

Buck Shoff sktc.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your 'heads' up, Tim. (pun intended, grin) Don't you find
> that most modern engines will crack heads after being run hot,
> especially those with aluminum heads?

Some more so than others; as a generality yes, but it takes getting pretty hot
to do more than blow the gasket on most. Stay tuned.. meant to bring home an
article I was reading in a trade mag about common head gasket failures to
excerpt from but forgot it.

>
> On vehicles that are driven off road, I have found many radiators
> restrcted externally by trash building up between the A/C condenser and
> the radiator.

Very good point! Fan clutches are often overlooked as well and help in the
off road environment too. (Or at least in the high drag/low speed sand I'm
usually in anyway.)

> The aluminum cored radiators used today seldom build up
> deposits internally like copper/brass ones did. Just my answer to the
> question that nobody asked.

That's because they blow out the &(^)$ plastic tanks before they have a chance
to get plugged! :-) Seriously though.. yes they are better about not getting
sludged up, but neglect will certainly take it's toll. Call me old fashioned
but I'm glad the replacement rad. I used in the B-II was of 'traditional'
materials.

Tim

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From: Jenksmoe aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:42:14 EST
Subject: 93-95 EXPLORER RECALL

Hey Guys/Gals,

Just wanted to pass on some news I got in the mail. Seams that the 93-95
Explorer liftgate lift cylinder brackets are of weak design. Apparently they
break off and then the liftgate may "unexpectedly close" "could result in
injury to someone in it's path." My recall says Ford will put in a "liftgate
bracket kit" for free or repay you if you already had it done. Based on my
past experiences I'll have to wait two weeks for an appointment and leave the
vehical for the whole day. I'll try to go to the one dealer that has the
service department open til 2 am, for an evening appointment.

Anybody else heard of other Explorer recalls over the years? I'd sure like
to know before "could result in injury" on me. Thanks

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Date: 16 Feb 00 22:02:06 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Ford], service

Ken Payne ford-trucks.com> wrote:

> > Neil Wrote:

> >franchises and therefore Ford UK did not recognise them as approved
> >dealerships.....so er, I blame Ford UK (bear in mind that Ford UK is NOT
> >FoMOCo either...)
>
> I'm not surprised. Sometimes I think Ford has gotten too cocky
> because of their enormous growth in recent years. The number
> one complaint I see across all the lists is: trucks are great,
> service sucks.

I hope not to get too lengthy (I failed) on this reply from 'the other side'
but if I do... press the delete (or click next) and move on to the next
message.

Yes service sucks. It's not endemic to the Ford dealers either but a
national, er.. sorry Neil, global problem in the industry. Of all the
technicians I've met in the last 15 years I doubt it would take both hands to
count how many I would want working on *my* vehicle. (Note that this does NOT
include many professionals I've met on-line.)

I've heard of tool dealers getting out of the business because "There's no
new blood coming in and all the old-timers have what they need by now". I'd
disagree with that to a degree, but there is a lot of truth to it. People are
leaving the ranks for various reasons at a greater rate than newbies are
coming in.. BUT the new blood is more comfortable with all the electronics
placed on vehicles today so gradually this thinning of the ranks may be for
the good. I've read that a survey of experienced tech's asked the question
"Would you have your children follow your footsteps" the basic answer was "I'd
tell 'em to cut their hands off first".

Not all errors are due to the technician either; many manuals have
misinformation or incomplete data or just plain asinine diagnostic routines.
(I recall going through one long test where the *LAST* step was checking the
fuse for the involved circuit; I'd checked all the fuses before starting, but
close examination of the image revealed a fuse that was MIA.. ) The
sheer volume of new information needed every year to stay current is
astounding as well; AllData runs over 30 CD-Roms (roughly 30 GIGABytes) for
information spanning 1982-present with 1-2 new CDs added every quarter at 640
MB apiece. That might give you an idea of how hard it is for the average tech
to try to stay on top of the changes every year...

I hear everyone talk about PART costs; let me talk about TOOL costs for a
moment. Yes a $400 Craftsman set and a $400 chest set will suffice for light
duty (ie home) use, but once you feel the difference in continuous use you'll
go to one of the premium brands. (Of course the weekly delivery payments!> help contribute to the slow migration of good tools in the box, but
at a price..) Screwdrivers $100/set, SAE combo wrenches $150/, Metric combo
wrenches $200, 1/4-1/2 drive short & deep sockets in chrome and impact SAE &
Metric $750+.. now add in nicities like off-set box wrenches, swivel sockets
in 1/4 & 3/8 drive, ratcheting wrenches (call it $150-200 per set)and air
tools ($90-300 depending on the tool).. Now add in 'special tools' (Often
fabricated from the old Craftsman tools via torch, grinder and/or welder when
possible to save $$ not to mention being able to do it *now* Vs. waiting a
week for a tool you'll rarely use) Specialized tools (Pressure guages for ABS
brakes capable of reading 5000 PSI for instance; $400) and electronics tools
(Scanner-$2,500, Graphing multi-meter $1,200-2,000, scanner requires updating
yearly at $750.) Tool chest to put all this crap in.. $5,000-40,000.

Here's an eye-opener.. anyone want to guess what I pay every week in tool
payments?

$130. Yep.. $520/Month, $6760/Year or roughly 1/4 of my gross pay. (Explains
why I have a '85 B-II and not a '00 Expedition doesn't it?) In theory another
2 years and I'll owe nothing, but tools disappear and I need more storage
space for tools already ($1500 for a side box) and of course there'll be new
tools developed that I need during those 2 years... Over the last 15 years
I've probably averaged $95/week on tools. ($75K!) Of course I dont have all
those tools due to selling them all off in the past at 1/2 price to settle
bills when trying to get out of the profession, but a rough estimate of the
current value would be in excess of 20K including the chest. (Our insurance
investment.. Kim can sell it all to pay off our bills should something happen
to me..) :-(


So let's see why a youngster should work on light vehicles pro & con.

Pro:
The great feeling after all the work is done and it purrs.
Being known as "the guy (person) that can fix it".
Knowing that (someday) the profession will have a good image & pay.
Becoming semi-ambedextrious and a contortionist.

Con:
Constantly exposed to noxious chemicals that shorten your life/rot your
organs.
Poor image of the trade currently.
Tool investment.
Time invested to stay current.
Low wage compared to work expected. (How much does your PC repairman charge
per hour? It's about $20/Hour more here, but yet (to me) PC repair is a lot
easier than vehicle computer repair..)
Shops usually aren't air conditioned or well heated.
Maiming/fatal/scarring accidents are part of the job.
Burns & cuts are so common you don't know where most came from unless it was
*BAD*.


I won't get into the many other issues that spring to mind such as 'book
time', 'certification' and other such blivets; but I'll say that I *hope* to
get a web site going that addresses these issues among others in the future.
(Work in progress.)

Do I "get it right the first time; everytime"? Hell no! But with the
information I have available to me and my own knowledge at least I'm sure in
my own mind it warrants replacing before I go to the front office with what I
diagnose rather than plain guessing or 'shotgunning' parts at something.
Sometimes you have to address the obvious/known faults before you dig into
'weird' problems As a small example; my blood pressure is high.. I like salt
and I smoke, should I first try a low salt diet or should I go to medication
or invasive procedures to unclog arteries? Any/All could help.. your truck
overheats slightly at 120K, the radiator looks restricted, the T-stat,fan
clutch and pump are original.. which is going to cure it? If I say you need
all 4 you'll tell me where I can go when you see the estimate. Yet it might
take a combination of 2 or more of these items to do the trick or even all 4
to get back to 'like new' status. (Probably clutch and Radiator in the above
example.)


I salute the members of the various FTE lists; in many (actually most..) cases
your posts are more informed than some I see in 'professional' help lists and
I enjoy my time spent here more than any other (non adult or non pirate)
list.


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Umm.. Ken.. if it hasn't been fixed yet just want to point out the 61-79 for
unsubscribe on other lists. I know all too well the grief a SysOp goes
through so it's not a complaint! Keep up the good work. :-)


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From: Blest25913 aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:08:50 EST
Subject: Buzzing Sound


In a message dated 2/10/0 4:09:39 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Hi All,

My wife's 94 Explorer 4x4 with 48K on it just started making what sounds
like a buzzing noise from the left front. It sounds as if there was something
rubbing against the tire treads (kind of like the sound a card makes when
running against the spokes of a child's bike ). I have checked and everything
is clear there, nothing hitting or rubbing. The thing is that it doesn't
always do it, but when it does, it stops when the truck stops and starts up
again when the truck moves. I noticed that when it does this, you can make it
stop by putting it in 4 wheel drive. My wife says it seems to her as if it
starts doing it after making a sharp turn. Was just wondering if it could be
a wheel bearing or hub.

Thanks...Ron


------- >>
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, Ron, but I went through this, too. Its
the front hubs. I'm assuming you have the auto hubs. They last about 40K
miles according to my experience. I went through two sets of them. At $350 a
piece, I decided to go with manual hubs the second time the autos went. I got
Warn manuals for $100 a piece. And they're warranteed for as long as you have
the vehicle. There is a conversion kit you'll need. It was about $80. Hubs,
automatic and manual, are easy to replace; but you might need someone to do
the conversion for you.

Ron Trampe
'96 Ranger 4X4
'00 Cherokee XJ 4X4
'91 Cavalier (no 4X4 here)

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Date: 16 Feb 00 22:29:02 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: talkin about chips]

Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca> wrote:
> "Steinbrook, Steve" wrote:
> >
> > I do not know that much about these computer chips but I understand what
> > they can do for an automatic transmission in controlling when the gears
> > change.

In an ELECTRONIC transmission only. As a general thing is there an 'OD'
button in your automatic? If not then forget it.


> What do these chips do for a manual?

Obviously nothing for shift points ;-)

> Is it worth getting a chip
> > for a manual transmission truck? Is it the fuel/air mixture that it
> > changes? What else?
>
> Steve,
>
> My truck is a manual. The chip doesn't do anything for
> a manual tranny. What the chip does is increase the HP and
> torque of the motor. It is usually done by changing the
> timing and the air/fuel ratio.

As Steve states all 'chips' use a different 'curve' for timing and A/F ratio
and *may* delete speed/rev limiters.. with A/T's there may be changes in the
shifting as well. It'd be interesting to see the performance difference with
both A/T & M/T published somewhere but I haven't seen it. Of course
'repeatability' is better with the A/T for measuring purposes so there might
be some bias there. Actual Dyno figures without a transmission willl tell the
tale though. I prefer to shift my own gears as well. :-)

Tim

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From: OldTrux aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:28:39 EST
Subject: Re: Buzzing Sound

In a message dated 2/16/00 9:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
Blest25913 aol.com writes:

> At $350 a
> piece, I decided to go with manual hubs the second time the autos went.

That's what I had to pay too! I could not believe it......

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Date: 16 Feb 00 22:34:19 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [[Pun and OT}

Tim Turner netscape.net> wrote:
> Buck Shoff sktc.net> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your 'heads' up, Tim. (pun intended, grin)

Meant to address it in the original reply.. Sounds like something I would have
said with a frown and groan from Kim upon hearing it. ;-)

Humour helps!

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From: Blest25913 aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:40:47 EST
Subject: Re: small-list Digest V2000 #6


In a message dated 2/14/0 9:46:57 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<<
Thanks for the lively and informed feedback about whether I should
recommend a Ranger for my friend Paul. I especially appreciated the
"life experience." I didn't appreciate the jingoism: hey, guys, can we
stop using the word "Jap?" I have a Japanese-American friend and I
really like him.
>>

I agree with Richard here. WWII has been over for 55 years now.
Ron Trampe
(never owned a non-American car or truck in 44 yrs. of driving)

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Date: 16 Feb 00 22:42:04 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Late hours Was [93-95 EXPLORER RECALL]

Jenksmoe aol.com wrote:
> Hey Guys/Gals,
>
> I'll try to go to the one dealer that has the
> service department open til 2 am, for an evening appointment.

2AM? Whoa! Being a night owl by nature where is it? Do they need 2nd or 3rd
shift help?

>
> Anybody else heard of other Explorer recalls over the years? I'd sure like

> to know before "could result in injury" on me. Thanks

Numerous but depend on the equipment etc.. *if* your dealer is good you might
get them to do a search for recalls & TSBs involving yours.


Tim


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From: Blest25913 aol.com
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 22:43:14 EST
Subject: Ethnic Slurs


In a message dated 2/14/0 9:46:57 PM, listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<<
Thanks for the lively and informed feedback about whether I should
recommend a Ranger for my friend Paul. I especially appreciated the
"life experience." I didn't appreciate the jingoism: hey, guys, can we
stop using the word "Jap?" I have a Japanese-American friend and I
really like him.
>>

I agree with Richard here. WWII has been over for 55 years.
Ron Trampe
(never owned a non-American car or truck in 44 years of driving)

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:50:45 +0000
From: Tim Curran gte.net>
Subject: Ranger rear-end

Quick question for the peanut gallery!

Does anyone know if the '88 Ranger XLT 2.3's came equipted with a 7.5"
rearend? I'm looking for a traction-lok assy and the only resource that
I have that I found a 7.5" Traction-Lok in was a 1992 SVO catalog for
$190.00......

Thanks guys!

Tim


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Date: 16 Feb 00 23:22:35 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Buzzing Sound]

OldTrux aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 2/16/00 9:09:55 PM Central Standard Time,
> Blest25913 aol.com writes:
>
> > At $350 a
> > piece, I decided to go with manual hubs the second time the autos went.
>
> That's what I had to pay too! I could not believe it......


And yet people trash me for wanting manual hubs and a lever as OE.. go
figure. ;-) All this power/automatic CRAP is fine for the 'soccer mom' that
hits an ice patch on the way home but doesn't cut it for extended off road
work. (Was it here or the off road list that talked about the on/off again
characteristic of the AWD that might be worse than remaining in 2 or 4WD?)

Sport= Small and handles curves or TIGHT trails well.
Utility=Handles varying loads and terrain (4x4?)

SUV= Small to gigantic, might handle OK and is a popular term for anything
with an enclosed body and 'looks' 4x4 whether it is or not. Means Nada.

SUV (def. 2) Any closed body truck-like vehicle that a maker can rush to
production with 4WD as an option now that the 'mini-van' craze has changed to
'SUV's . I like 'em but I see no S in
the vehicles larger than the Explorer... Some of my trails scratch paint on
a B-II so there's no Expedition going through that trail..

Haven't had a chance to play with the new small Ford offering (FWD Mazda
base?) but I suspect I'll like it for it's small size; I doubt I'll like
it's transfer arrangement though hopefully manual control and all will be
available. If there's no manual trans and hubs available then I certainly
wont be owning one.

Tim

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Date: 16 Feb 00 23:33:45 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Ranger rear-end]

Tim Curran gte.net> wrote:
> Quick question for the peanut gallery!
>
> Does anyone know if the '88 Ranger XLT 2.3's came equipted with a 7.5"
> rearend?

I won't say it hasn't happened but as far as I know all Rangers and BIIs were
7.5s as original equipment.

I'm looking for a traction-lok assy and the only resource that
> I have that I found a 7.5" Traction-Lok in was a 1992 SVO catalog for
> $190.00......

Decent price from what I've seen.

>
> Thanks guys!
>
> Tim
>

Another Tim. ;-)

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Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 23:45:33 -0800
From: Jean Marc Chartier sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Best Deals

Mike Haight wrote:
>
> 1) Area code (540)...Is that Fredricksburg, VA and if so where
> abouts?
>
> 2) Did you also change out the T-stat and if not do you see any
> noticeable change in engine temps with the superchip?
>
> 3) You say nothing but results.......what kind/how measurable?
>
> Thank You.
> Take Care and Have a Good Day.
> CUL8R, Mike
>

Mike,

To be totally honest I have no idea where it is. The chip
was shipped from Florida to me in Canada. I just looked on
the packing slip and it is Milboro, Va. No I didn't change
the thermostat. It is not required. There was no
noticeable change as the temp gauge in the F-150s are not
very accurate. The difference was felt off road climbing
test hill at Silver Lake, Mi. I was able to start closer to
the hill with the chip. I do not have any Dyno results but
Superchips claims about 25 Hp and 40 lbs/ft of torque.

Regards

Jean Marc Chartier

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From: Mark Biederbeck email.msn.com>
Subject: Starter motor
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:42:52 -0800

My starter in my 91 Ranger 4.0/auto quit today. The relay was "clicking",....


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