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small-list Digest Fri, 19 May 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 072

In This Issue:
Am I going nuts ??
Re: Aerostar Air Conditioner
Re: Am I going nuts ??
93 Explorer Brakes
Re: AO4LD Fluid loss-- Any thoughts (88 B II)
Re: Am I going nuts ??
Re: Am I going nuts ??
Re: [Aerostar Air Conditioner]
Re: [Am I going nuts ??]
Re: [93 Explorer Brakes]
Re: Aerostar Air Conditioner

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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:16:17 EDT
Subject: Am I going nuts ??

i have a 1999 Ranger XLT four cylinder with about 13,400 miles on it. Being
im kind of a big guy this cab is a little small for me, but Im making due ok.
My question is it seems that every once i n a while the wipers for no reason
will do a sweep across the windshield. the thing is I dont think im hitting
the switch when this happens ( sometimes my knee is bent up and could come
into contact with the switch) but I dont feel myself hitting the switch . My
question to you guys is has anyone else experienced this problem or heard
of this happening before?

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From: "Frank Bures" chem.toronto.edu>
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:46:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Aerostar Air Conditioner

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On Thu, 18 May 2000 18:21:17 -0500, Gary Snook wrote:

>I have a 94 Ranger I bought new. Until a few months ago, I did not know the
>compressor ran if the heater control was in defrost. It affects my milage,
>sucking about 1-2 MPG. I can't figure why Ford put in a compressor switch
>(a feature I have ALWAYS liked) and THEN treated us owners like idiots by
>having the compressor run during deforst all the while NOT turning on the
>pilot lite to even let us know it's on! So, the question is...... What's
>the down and dirty or simple way to disconnect this obnixous
>feature...........

The feature may seem to be obnoxious, but it is quite important for the
purpose at hand.

By running air through the AC's evaporator it becomes drier and therefore
much more useful for defogging the windshield. AFAIK, when the temperature
drops close to the freezing mark, the AC should not turn itself on
automatically. Therefore I am a bit confused by your usage of the term
defrost.


Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, M5S 3H6
fbures chem.toronto.edu
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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 08:54:32 -0400
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Am I going nuts ??

At 08:16 AM 5/19/2000, you wrote:
>i have a 1999 Ranger XLT four cylinder with about 13,400 miles on it. Being
>im kind of a big guy this cab is a little small for me, but Im making due ok.
>My question is it seems that every once i n a while the wipers for no reason
>will do a sweep across the windshield. the thing is I dont think im hitting
>the switch when this happens ( sometimes my knee is bent up and could come
>into contact with the switch) but I dont feel myself hitting the switch . My
>question to you guys is has anyone else experienced this problem or heard
>of this happening before?


If the Ranger uses the GEM module like the explorer does, the GEM is bad...


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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 10:01:17 -0400
From: Dale Atkins coe.gatech.edu>
Subject: 93 Explorer Brakes

Dear Listees,

My 93 4x4 explorer with 120K just had the brakes worked by what I consider
to be a reputable shop here in Atlanta-Front rotors replaced front pads and
rear shoes. Before it went in the ABS light would come on periodically and
then go off which is has done for years. When it would come on and stay I
would take it by the shop and they would adjust the sensors or replace them
and all would appear to be well. This time after getting it back from the
shop the ABS will come on and stay after the car gets heated up. It will
cycle through and click off whenever I first start it in the morning but
after driving it about 30 miles or so and I stop and get out for awhile the
light stays on. I took the car back to the shop this morning and they call
me and tell the float is sticking in the master cylinder which is causing
the light to stay on and I need to replace the master cylinder. I am
having a hard time making the connection with the car getting warmed up,
the repair work and why it was not coming on and staying on before the
work. The other thing that is kinda bothering me after a couple of quick
stops before the rebuild it was not clear to me that the ABS was doing its
thing. I was getting some skidding which I had not experienced before.

I would appreciate your ideas.

Dale


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Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 07:09:43 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: AO4LD Fluid loss-- Any thoughts (88 B II)

Wow! After reading all of this stuff, I think a WHOLE lot differently about my
noisy old 5 speed in the 170,000 mile bronco 2.

Adam

Long live the 2.9!

"Theodore D. Mills" wrote:

> My 85 Ranger story.....
> I left a trail up my driveway a few years ago after towing my boat home on
> a very hot day.
> I just figured I got it real hot and it burped.....
>
> 6 months later I'm driving to the beach to open up for the season with a
> load of stuff for the house.
> I go to change lanes, when I look in the mirror, I see a trail of white smoke.
> Where is that coming from? Oh crap! It's me!
>
> Pull over and look under the truck, there's a red niagara falls coming from
> the fron of the bellhousing!
> Blew the front seal.
>
> At this point, I'm in the middle of nowhere on Rt1 in Frederica Delaware,
> and I'm closer to the beach than home, so I go for it.
>
> I got within 5 miles of the house before it stopped.
>
> The wife brought our a gallon of ATF, and that got it to the beach.
>
> I rented a tow dolly and drug it home with my father-in-law's Ranger the
> next day....
>
> Just my $.02
>
> Ted
>
> At 22:02 5/17/2000 -0700, you wrote:
> >Please pre-excuse me if this gets posted multiple times.. M$
> >LookOut Eggspress is hosed on this machine. (Not a virus-- just a
> >bad beta of IE/OE 5.5).
> >
> >History:
> >About 7K miles on a fresh tranny rebuild by a good shop (yes, I have
> >the full 6 planet gears in each set -- major middle finger salute to
> >the FoMoCo beancounters involved in *that * 3-gear fiasco!)
> >
> >It's never leaked after the rebuild until after an episode this
> >weekend. Now we *can't* duplicate the leak!
> >
> >What happened:
> >I had to get a dose of "low range", went up to some fairly ragged
> >mountain powerline right-of-way that I do have legal access to..
> >(employee discount??) .
> >
> >While going up one rocky chute, I knocked loose a medicine-ball
> >sized and shaped rock that got caught under the center crossmember
> >as it rolled.. threw me back about 2 feet as we 'temporarily
> >hi-centered' over it.. (all wheels got air) . When same damned rock
> >fell into "center ditch" (best way I can explain it w/o picture),
> >all wheels grabbed traction HARD! The engine slapped the motor
> >mounts to the max on both sides as we touched down.
> >
> >Everything seemed OK afterwards, but decided to not repeat the
> >chute going downhill so went uphill to another known FS road
> >crossing and head back to the barn.
> >
> >While getting back to civilization, I noticed a definite miss about
> >the same time I smelled ugly smoke.. above impact knocked loose a
> >plug wire that fell on exhaust manifold and caught fire! (so much
> >for hi-temp silicone wires... )
> >
> >Played guessing games on running on 5 cyls.. is raw fuel that eats
> >O2 sensors/cats worse on idle on compression downhill for the 7
> >miles back down to main road..?? (use brakes or engine
> >compression??)
> >
> >Add another 20 miles to a NAPA store (Info Item : North Bend WA
> >NAPA is open on SUNDAYS!) to get a plug wire. I checked the vitals,
> >all fluids OK .
> >
> >Another 50 miles in mixed 80+mph down to dead-halt Seattle weekend
> >traf^h^h^havoc getting home via I5/405 and my own set of sneak
> >routes around the bottlenecks..
> >
> >One lousy mile from home; it wouldn't take off from a stoplight! It
> >hadn't shown any slippage before that at all. Turned on the 4ways,
> >popped hood, pulled tranny dipstick ..
> >BONE DRY !! The guy behind me said it was dripping(drooling?)
> >heavily for the last 2 miles!
> >
> >I got a push-bar assist from the local police to get it out of
> >traffic-block, then got a case of ATF and refilled it to get home
> >(took 5 quarts).
> >
> >I put it up on the ramps to check it out..
> >NO fluid drips from anywhere on the autotrans itself, what fluid
> >trails I could find were alongside the engine where the cooler lines
> >are routed, but couldn't find any damage to them. The rubber
> >flexhoses to the coils in the radiator were dry, as was the bottom
> >of the radiator. ! I'm stumped !!
> >
> >Took it to the tranny shop Monday (Plug -- Clarey's Transmission in
> >North Seattle is GOOD! 9700 Aurora Ave N 206-5220962) to see if they
> >could find it. They washed the area and drive the pi** out of it,
> >then dyed and blacklighted to find a leak.. no luck. Now they are
> >stumped as well! (this is an old-time business with techs who have
> >seen everything .. Carl estimates he's seen at least 1000 AO4LD's
> >himself! )
> >
> >Two more days, parking it on cardboard at work and home both..
> >nothing showing !
> >
> >Any wild ideas? (PS -- I'm putting 8 quarts of ATF in my "oh-sh*t'
> >box now.. just in case!)


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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Am I going nuts ??
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 16:59:03 -0400

Mine and my neighbors 1999 Ranger did the same thing. Ford had problems
with the wiper switch. They replaced the switch and its been fine since.

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Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:16 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Am I going nuts ??


i have a 1999 Ranger XLT four cylinder with about 13,400 miles on it. Being
im kind of a big guy this cab is a little small for me, but Im making due
ok.
My question is it seems that every once i n a while the wipers for no
reason
will do a sweep across the windshield. the thing is I dont think im hitting
the switch when this happens ( sometimes my knee is bent up and could come
into contact with the switch) but I dont feel myself hitting the switch .
My
question to you guys is has anyone else experienced this problem or heard
of this happening before?
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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Am I going nuts ??
Date: Fri, 19 May 2000 17:00:19 -0400

Have them replace the switch.....it will fix it.

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From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of David Cooley
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 8:55 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Am I going nuts ??


At 08:16 AM 5/19/2000, you wrote:
>i have a 1999 Ranger XLT four cylinder with about 13,400 miles on it. Being
>im kind of a big guy this cab is a little small for me, but Im making due
ok.
>My question is it seems that every once i n a while the wipers for no
reason
>will do a sweep across the windshield. the thing is I dont think im hitting
>the switch when this happens ( sometimes my knee is bent up and could come
>into contact with the switch) but I dont feel myself hitting the switch .
My
>question to you guys is has anyone else experienced this problem or
heard
>of this happening before?


If the Ranger uses the GEM module like the explorer does, the GEM is bad...


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Date: 19 May 00 22:27:05 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Aerostar Air Conditioner]

"Gary Snook" home.com> wrote:

> I have owned 2 Aerostars, a 92 and my curent one (last one - sad to
> say) a 97. I have also been the primary driver in 2 others, an 87 and a
> different 92. Combined, I probabally have a couple hundred thousand miles
> behind the wheel in these vehicles. the 87 and one of the 92's were
service
> vans and only had front air. They cooled EXCENTLY.

I agree that Aerostars cool very well when the system is working as designed;
the big problem is when the compressor goes away from lack of lubrication
after the refrigerant and oil leaks out. the Teflon seals for the Pistons
wind up being trapped in the condenser and without major reworking will
destroy the new compressor in short order.

> On my personal Aeros,
> both are/were equiped with rear heat/air. The 97, being R134A cools much
> BETTER than the 92 did, but I don't know what changes Ford did to the
system
> when they upgraded.

A much larger (or more efficient) condenser for one thing, probably also some
tweaking of other system components such as the orifice tube.

> The 92's leaked, but the 97 seems to hold it's charge
> better. The 87 didn't leak that I know of.

I'm surprised that you did not have problems with the 87 as far as leakage, or
any problems with the 97 yet but I guess we'll see if it makes it through this
summer.

> I can't figure why Ford put in a compressor switch
> (a feature I have ALWAYS liked)

Agreed.

> and THEN treated us owners like idiots by
> having the compressor run during deforst all the while NOT turning on the
> pilot lite to even let us know it's on!

Double agreed on the light not been on while in defrost. Certainly the
defroster works much better with the compressor switched on, but it's nice to
have control of it. Due to the pressure switch the compressor will not engage
in temperatures below freezing.

> So, the question is...... What's
> the down and dirty way to disable this?

Unplugging the compressor would certainly be the simplest solution, but I
presume you're looking for something a little more sophisticated than that.
Probably the easiest method would be to insert a toggle or rocker switch in
the ground circuit to the compressor relay or the power wire going to
compressor itself. If you need more details on doing so feel free to e-mail
me on or off list. (*Note* Doing this may cause codes to be set during
testing of the OBD system.)

Tim

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Date: 19 May 00 22:40:36 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Am I going nuts ??]

ROlson1039 aol.com wrote:

> My question is it seems that every once in a while the wipers for no reason

> will do a sweep across the windshield.

In the 1980s GM had a similar problem with "phantom wiping" on the full-size
vans so I don't think you're nuts. Unfortunately I do not remember the cause;
I think it was a new wiper board though.

Tim

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Date: 19 May 00 23:12:18 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [93 Explorer Brakes]

Dale Atkins coe.gatech.edu> wrote:
> Dear Listees,
>
> My 93 4x4 explorer with 120K just had the brakes worked by what I consider
> to be a reputable shop here in Atlanta-Front rotors replaced front pads and

> rear shoes. Before it went in the ABS light would come on periodically and

> then go off which is has done for years.

I've seen quite a few Explorers that had chafed wiring of the rear speed
sensor causing an intermittent ABS light.

> I took the car back to the shop this morning and they call
> me and tell the float is sticking in the master cylinder which is causing
> the light to stay on and I need to replace the master cylinder.

In general if the float was sticking in the master cylinder resevoir both the
ABS and brake light would be staying on. I'd still only see the need to
replace the resevoir rather than the whole master cylinder though.

> I am
> having a hard time making the connection with the car getting warmed up,
> the repair work and why it was not coming on and staying on before the
> work.

Me too;lots of variables to consider, but it will be interesting to find out
what it is.

> The other thing that is kinda bothering me after a couple of quick
> stops before the rebuild it was not clear to me that the ABS was doing its
> thing. I was getting some skidding which I had not experienced before.
>

Anytime the ABS light is on the system is inoperative; I'd suggest taking it
back to the first shop and having them look at it again and maybe getting a
second opinion from another shop if you don't like the results from the first
one.

Tim

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From: "Stephen Bozzone" rockzone.com>
Subject: Re: Aerostar Air Conditioner
Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 14:46:20 -0400

The AC is supposed to turn on whenever defrost is on to keep the system
working in the winter or else you'll have problems next summer. Previously
you were supposed to turn on the AC once in awhile in the winter to keep it
lubed.. this is to make sure you do it.

At least that's how I understand it.. i'm definately not using the correct
terminology here at all.. i don't know jack about AC.

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Subject: [small-list] Re: Aerostar Air Conditioner


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> On Thu, 18 May 2000 18:21:17 -0500, Gary Snook wrote:
>
> >I have a 94 Ranger I bought new. Until a few months ago, I did not know
the
> >compressor ran if the heater control was in defrost. It affects my
milage,
> >sucking about 1-2 MPG. I can't figure why Ford put in a compressor
switch
> >(a feature I have ALWAYS liked) and THEN treated us owners like idiots by
> >having the compressor run during deforst all the while NOT turning on the
> >pilot lite to even let us know it's on! So, the question is...... What's
> >the down and dirty or simple way to disconnect this obnixous
> >feature...........
>
> The feature may seem to be obnoxious, but it is quite important for the
> purpose at hand.
>
> By running air through the AC's evaporator it becomes drier and therefore
> much more useful for defogging the windshield. AFAIK, when the
temperature
> drops close to the freezing mark, the AC should not turn itself on
> automatically. Therefore I am a bit confused by your usage of the term
> defrost.
>
>
> Frank Bures, Dept. of Chemistry, University of Toronto, M5S 3H6
> fbures chem.toronto.edu
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