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small-list Digest Wed, 19 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 054

In This Issue:
Re: Cure for boredom 2
Re: Oops.. crossed makes/models
Shop Funnies
Re: EGR code!
Chattery Start... Stopped?
Re: [Re: EGR code!]

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From: "Mike Fisher" gte.net>
Subject: Re: Cure for boredom 2
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 17:50:04 -0500

Why not buy an early model 4x4 Explorer?

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Sent: Saturday, April 15, 2000 8:17 PM
Subject: [small-list] Cure for boredom 2


> Hi all,
> Enjoyed this list for quite some time now, it's a great resource.
> I've had my 94 Ranger for almost a year now ( S-cab, 2wd, 4liter, auto, )
and
> the only mod. has been to 15" wheels from the 14" steel 4 spoke which I
never
> liked. Apart from pinging on 87 octane it's been a reliable vehicle.
Trouble
> is I'm bored with it, and don't see waiting for another 36 payments for a
> change. I thought long and hard and looked for a long time before buying
and
> it's almost a perfect fit for my needs. But somethings missing ( besides a
> honey to navigate:- )
> I had an 87 4x4 for a short time until my son needed transportation
and
> he ended up with it , the one time I did some rock hopping in it , I
really
> liked it .
> So, do I buy a beater 4x4 and keep my 94, or trade it for earlier
90's
> 4x4, or go for an AWD Aerostar, got to stay in the "family" so as not to
> leave the list.
> Van appeals as climbing into the truck bed /canopy is more of a
struggle
> than it used to be, when camping, etc.( Read old fart ) Never owned a van
> before though.(Don't want to be seen as old fart )
> BTW the 87 Ranger has 180k and original clutch, despite getting some
hard
> driving the last 45k or so.
> What are some things to watch for in a used 4x4 Ranger or AWD Aerostar
> and would the van survive the rock and dirt roads I'd be driving on in the
> mountains of E. WA.
>
> TIA for replies, Dave
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Date: 19 Apr 00 19:02:52 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Oops.. crossed makes/models

Karl Hock pathbox.wustl.edu> wrote:
> Hope I didn't edit this too much. Isn't a Windstar basically a Ford Taurus
> with a tall roof? A Mercury Villager is a Nissan Quest though.
>

My fault.. I knew one of the mini-FoMoCos was; must have chosen the wrong one!
;-)


Tim

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Date: 19 Apr 00 20:35:19 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Shop Funnies


Just a couple funny stories about 'no start' vehicles today for your
amusement.

1) '93 Escort with a history of 'odd' problems over the last few weeks (loose
rack and pinion, etc.) Spins over OK so pop the hood to check the timing belt
rotation and ALL plug wires are off the plugs, out of the wire looms and one
wire is missing entirely! Grab an old wire laying around and put 'em on and
fires right up. Just in case someone was looking at it prior let it run for a
good while with no problems noted.

2) '85 Ranger; jumper box starts it right up, battery charger wont give it
any charge though. (brand new Die Hard battery) Rodney decides to try a new
battery to see what happens.

Answers!

1A) Big fight the night before with husband. :-( (Wonder about the rack
now..)

2A) Plastic shipping cap on the negative terminal was still on the battery!!!


Both fixed at minor cost, but certainly a reminder to make a quick visual
check under the hood before calling the tow truck. The cause for 1A is
disturbing but 2A reminds me of the tale of a poorly running vehicle brought
in for diagnosis and the air filter was still in it's shrink-wrapped covering.



Plenty of other odd stories like this but the odds of 2 in one day seemed high
and thought I'd share them.

Tim


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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: EGR code!
Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 20:59:16 -0400


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Subject: [small-list] Re: EGR code!


> I had a very similar problem with my 94 Explorer. I think I may have had
the same code.
> .
> I carefully took apart my EGR valve, suspecting that, then it looked okay
so I successfully reinstalled it.
> Then I found the real culprit was the EGR sensor, which is easy to change
yet, hard to find at parts stores or even dealers. Its a rectangular sensor
unit with two rubber sensor hoses going down to the exhaust tube. Literally
took about 5 minutes to change. It also has an electronic plug on it and one
hex screw holds it in. After searching the phone books for parts stores,
junkyards, and other vendors,I found that NAPA dealers carry new exact
replacements for about $40 or sorunning to an internal circuit board. It
looked like maybe the diaphragm on mine was darkened with carbon. Anyway,
that's what did the trick on my 94. George K.

Hi George,

Thanks much for your tip on the EGR sensor. Just bought one today from NAPA
and installed it. That did the trick, no more check engine light. It really
gripes me that I took our Explorer to a Ford dealer (supposed to be
experts!) and spent $269 only to have the light still come on after I left.
When I told the tech that I got a code regarding the EGR system, he said it
has nothing to do with it....wow, was he wrong. Now, to try and see if I can
get some money back on their misdiagnosis. Probably have a better chance
winning the lottery. This list is the greatest...thanks again.
Ron


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 19:47:45 -0700
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Chattery Start... Stopped?

I just want to say thank you for all of your suggestions regarding the
problems that I was having with my chattery starting clutch.

Does anyone remember my prior posts about a year ago regarding the
chattery start in my 1988 Bronco II? Well, I think we may have it
licked. I was pulling the codes, and comparing what I found with my
prior notes, and something popped up that I have not noticed before. It
suggested code 21 consistently through five key in, engine running
tests.

I looked up code 21, and the haynes manual told me that this was the ECT
sensor. I pulled the wire, cleaned the contacts, and re-installed it.
Still the same code...

I even tried to dump the code by disconnecting the battery for half an
hour, and the darn 21 kept coming back!

So, for $22 I had myself a new engine coolant temperature sensor from
Kragens. Two hours later (My original temp sensor was all seized in
there) the new one is in, taped and connected. I re-set the computer,
drove it for two days and pulled the codes again. Everything checks out!
We're back to a code 1-1.

Excellent. How much influence does teh ECT sensor actually have to do
with the engine running? I can let out the clutch in reverse or first
gear and it engages real smoothly right now....

Wow, I was chasing that article for a while! I replaced the clutch,
flywheel, all of the little pices in there, master slave, etc.

I'm running a 1988 bronco II with the 2.9 engine. 3" James Duff dual
shock lift kit, 2" James Duff body lift kit, 31" tires, 4.10 gears,
Detroit Locker and a really tight posi-pack, custom drive shafts, MSD 6A
ignition, JBA headers, Flowmaster Cat Back system, James Duff power
chip, ADS Super Injectors, 45 psi regulator, 58 MM throttle body, K and
N intake, electric fan, 4.0 Radiator, On Board Air and Warm 8000#
winch...

Plus a bunch of other stuff which I forgot about at the moment.

Oh, and a soon to be coming James Duff Arma Coated winch mounting
pre-runner bumper, just as soon as it shows up here! It's been a week
and a half, already!

Adam


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Date: 20 Apr 00 20:58:06 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: EGR code!]

"Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net> wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Kowal earthlink.net>
> To: ford-trucks.com>

> gripes me that I took our Explorer to a Ford dealer (supposed to be
> experts!)

Good help is hard to find.. been looking for a year for someone to fit in at
the shop I work at with no long term result.

> and spent $269 only to have the light still come on after I left.
> When I told the tech that I got a code regarding the EGR system, he said it
> has nothing to do with it....

"The customer is always wrong".. I've seen that attitude when trying to tell
the tech what you think the problem is if he feels differently. (And may be
guilty myself on occasion if it doesn't sound right..) I'm NOT complaining at
you, but sometimes we (tech's) get misdirected by well meaning information
during the diagnosis. (by the owner OR other tech's at the shop) A good
example is one from today; new alternator and battery with no charge (Batt. by
customer and alt. by us, no charging still with a dim charging light) Tech R
says all fusible links OK and all fuses OK. when I get it. True enough with
the vehicle RUNNING. Not true with key on and engine off. Without that
'valuable information' I might have solved the problem an hour sooner. (Bad
connection to one fusible link and with the engine running the alternator
would supply voltage to the circuit but not the battery.. whew.. odd one to
troubleshoot!)

> wow, was he wrong. Now, to try and see if I can
> get some money back on their misdiagnosis. Probably have a better chance
> winning the lottery. This list is the greatest...thanks again.

Well I'd say the EGR system is probably the #1 problem I see among Ford
vehicles at the shop... I don't know what else the tech saw in his
'diagnosis' but personally I'll address the EGR first as it'll affect MAP (if
equipped) and O2 readings depending on the way it fails. If the dealer gives
you the run around go over their head to the area representative and/or the
BBB.

Good luck!

Tim

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