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small-list Digest Tue, 18 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 053

In This Issue:
Re: Explorer Transmission - When do you change the fluid?
Re: EEC-IV Codes
Re: No Subject
So Long (for now)
Calling All Cooper Tires
Re: Calling All Cooper Tires
Re: [Re: Tires for Aerostar: Tims piece]
Re: [Fixing that Aerostar]
Re: [Re: Resetting the Aerostar speedometer]
Re: [AW: Re: Tires for Aerostar/Repairs]
Re: Calling All Cooper Tires
Re: [Explorer Transmission - When do you change the fluid
Re: [AW: Re: Tires for Aerostar/Repairs]

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From: "Robert Eberhardt" uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Explorer Transmission - When do you change the fluid?
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 08:22:55 -0700

The service manual supplement that came with my '97 SOHC / 5-speed Auto has
it listed as 51,000 miles under severe duty for the 5-speed. The 4-speed
Auto interval is much shorter. I think the 4-speed is listed at 21K under
severe duty and 30K-36K under normal duty. Since I have the 5-speed, I never
paid that close of attention to the 4-speed interval. I think after the
first change on the 5-speed the interval drops to around 30-36K. Under
normal duty, the 5-speed is not listed as needing a fluid change (at least
in the 120K that it lists to). I wouldn't attempt to go that long and would
follow the severe duty schedule as a minimum. I changed mine between 50K and
51K. My fluid was very close in color to the new fluid and when I compared
it to new fluid on our viscometer at work, the difference was negligble
(about 1 1/2% difference). It is not going to hurt to do it earlier than
recommended so if it makes you feel better, you could do it at any time now.

Robert

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Edward C. Miller" pb.com>
> Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 08:15:20 -0400
> Subject: Explorer Transmission - When do you change the fluid?
>
>
>
> I've got a 4LSOHC explorer (1998) with an auto transmission. The service
> manual says when to replace fluid for the 5L but I haven't found any
mention of
> the 4L tranny. When should I change it? (I've got 41K on it now).
Also
> what;'s the best way to find a shop that'll flush the tranny to get the
new
> fluid into the torque converter. I keep hearing horror stories about the
quick
> lube places. Thanks in advance for any advice



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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 10:54:14 -0700
From: Richard pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: EEC-IV Codes

I'd like to recommend to those of you with EEC-IV computers that you
consider buying the more expensive of the two Equus code readers. I
have been pleased with mine. The thing has a digital display and code
retrieval is semi-automated. Dynamic tests may also be performed with
it. I feel that it is a civilized product, and very reasonably-priced.

I bought mine at (gag!) JC Whitney for about $60, plus $20 for the
extension cable that lets you do the dynamic tests from the driver's
seat. In one version of their current catalog, it is discounted from
this price.

Note that I have a hunch that this product will soon be discontinued,
since EEC-IV is now history, so it might be wise to buy it while it
lasts.

Richard


From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Ford EEC-IV diagnostics testing
Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 18:25:51 -0400


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Hi Tom,

Check out this website for the EEC-IV codes and how to retrieve =
them. Hope this helps.


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Ron




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From: Blest25913 aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:56:30 EDT
Subject: Re: No Subject



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From: Blest25913 aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 14:59:28 EDT
Subject: So Long (for now)

This list has been very useful to me over the last few years. I want to thank
Dave for all the work that he has put into it. I'm moving, and I'm going to
leave my Mac and AOL behind. I'll be back later this year with a PC and a new
ISP.
Ron Trampe

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:18:37 -0700
From: Richard pacbell.net>
Subject: Calling All Cooper Tires

Since we've been having a lively discussion about Aerostar tires, I'm
still very curious about peoples' experiences with Cooper tires.
Although it may seem that I'm in love with Michelins, it is just that it
is a brand that I feel I understand. In fact, I once had a car that was
incompatible with Michelins and was only tamed by a set of Rikens.

I'm always interested in great products that aren't well-known: my
theory is that the small guys have to try harder (this was my mostly my
experience with stereo components). And since our Tom Ucen is so fond of
his Cooper snow tires in Germany, I'm very interested in knowing how
people with access to more Cooper models here have fared with them.

Have any of you used Coopers? How have they been?

Richard



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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 15:53:34 -0400
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Calling All Cooper Tires

At 03:18 PM 4/18/2000, you wrote:
>Since we've been having a lively discussion about Aerostar tires, I'm
>still very curious about peoples' experiences with Cooper tires.
>Although it may seem that I'm in love with Michelins, it is just that it
>is a brand that I feel I understand. In fact, I once had a car that was
>incompatible with Michelins and was only tamed by a set of Rikens.
>
>I'm always interested in great products that aren't well-known: my
>theory is that the small guys have to try harder (this was my mostly my
>experience with stereo components). And since our Tom Ucen is so fond of
>his Cooper snow tires in Germany, I'm very interested in knowing how
>people with access to more Cooper models here have fared with them.
>
>Have any of you used Coopers? How have they been?


I had a set of Cooper GT's on a 69 mustang. Couldn't tear them up like all
the other tires I had gone thru!.


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Date: 18 Apr 00 20:41:55 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Tires for Aerostar: Tims piece]

Richard pacbell.net> wrote:
> Tim,

> is really something: it appears that all eighteen variations boil down
> to just two almost-identical
> tire and wheel sizes! And what in the world is a "5-passenger" Aerostar?

Yep.. makes inventory simple though. I'd assume the 5 passenger was two front
buckets and one three seat bench with the 7 being 2x2x3

>
> Further, what about those Aerostar commercial vehicles I've seen around
> Berkeley fitted
> with undersized tires?

In '85-87 185, 195 and 205/75/14s were the norm with the 215s debuting in
'88.

> As an aside, I really do see a lot of Aerostars
> in commercial service, including fleets (AT&T, Univ. of Cal., etc.) and
> wonder if the owners know something I
> don't. I mean, don't they have the same maintenance nightmares that I
> do?

Yes. Of course their fleet mechanics (if they can keep 'em!) probably know
all the little tricks and exactly what contortion and combination of swivels
and extensions are needed for the various jobs.

> I had one of
> those really sour experiences at Wards. There, the salesman swore to me
> that his "Turesna"
> was a standard Bridgestone model (note the spelling: the standard
> product is "Turanza.").

Hmm Similar to some of Sears' tires; I've often wondered what (if any)
differences there are in the rebranded for merchants versions.

>
> When I call Michelin on the phone, the people there really seem to know
> the characteristics
> of their products. I was able to discuss qualities such as ride,
> cornering, wet traction, etc., and get intelligent comparisons with
> which to home-in on what I needed.

I may rethink my position somewhat on Michelins... amazingly enough I still
have somewhat of an open mind. :-)

>
> But here's the nagging question in my mind based on Tom Ucen's
> experience: What about
> Cooper tires? He really likes his.

I really have zero experience with the Coopers so I can't comment.

Tim

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Date: 18 Apr 00 21:29:19 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Fixing that Aerostar]

Richard pacbell.net> wrote:
> I wrote
>
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> > I can get really fond of the Aerostar.
> > Until it comes time to fix it, which is too often. Then the cursing
> > begins and continues and continues.
>
> Tim Turner replied
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> For you AND the technician involved.
>
> Me again
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Yeah. I have an emotional conflict here.
> Having been in the repair business myself (it was stereo equipment), I
> have
> a twinge of sympathy and dread whenever I bring my A'star to a mechanic
> for repair. You've got to, let's say, replace a junky motor in a Sony

Just out of curiosity what brand(s) of stereo equipment would you consider to
be of at least decent quality?

> to truly know how manufacturers design their products to be
> virtually
> unfixable. Even so, it's been hard for me to accept that an auto company
> would
> design a car, or especially a truck, this way.

It's not just the Aerostar or Ford; admittedly the A'star has more than it's
fair share of obstructed pieces though. Another example would be the Chevy
Lumina Z-34 DOHC; One of the local dealers' techs had one and when it came due
for the timing belt he traded it rather than do the belt himself, the
alternator is so buried it has it's own cooling fan!

>
> As I've said here, I like driving it

Agreed and I do know technicians that own them for that reason and accept the
extra work involved.

> (as opposed to parking it -- you
> can't see your clearances at all),

I much prefer it to the Lumina APV/TranSport mini-vans as the extended dash
makes the nose hard to judge; the only thing I can compare it to would be my
younger days of flying lessons other than the guages being different.


> The dread is my fear that the mechanic will become so achy, scraped, and
> burned
> that he will be frustrated and angry, and maul a few things while doing
> the fix.

HOPEfully unintentionally...

> Believe
> me, I've experienced many times in my life mechanics damaging my car. I
> wish this
> weren't true,

I've certainly seen it along with making good parts bad to make a buck. :-(
The big thing is how it's handled and circumstances. Today one of my bay
mates completely shattered a Grand Marquis window while replacing the
regulator.. The shop purchased new glass and will foot the bill to have the
aftermarket tint applied. OTOH I've seen a timing belt installed wrong on a
previously running car that resulted in the customer being billed for a reman
cylinder head as a result of ineptitude. (NOT at the shop I'm at now
obviously!)

> because I have a lot of respect for good mechanics,

As do I on the rare times I meet one. (not that I get out a lot so it's a
small sampling rather than a condemnation across the industry.) I have seen
some improvement over the years though as the ever increasing compexity and
electronics drives people out of the profession. Online resources are
becoming invaluable also; iATN is a group of over 15,000 tech's helping each
other via e-mail with 'problem child' vehicles for one example.

> and
> certainly for Tim.

And I you Richard; I know we butted heads when I first joined the lists on the
stereo volume thread (how long ago was that?) but beyond that it's been an
enjoyable discourse on various subjects. :-)

Tim


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Date: 18 Apr 00 21:48:09 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Resetting the Aerostar speedometer]

Richard pacbell.net> wrote:
> Mike wrote
>
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ... the biggest tire listed for any type (cargo, passenger, AWD, etc.)
> of Aerostar is P215/75/14. ...Remember, if you increase tire size, your
> speedometer and odometer will read low. Your dealer should be able to
> set you up with the right speedometer drive gear to correct the odometer
> and speedometer.
>
> This might be a good way to go.
> My owner's manual ('92) actually says that the speedometer adjustment is
> electronic, and
> that there's a limit of three times that it may be performed.
>

Correct and you need to know the 'constant' for the tire size involved (Rev
per mile?) On yours I believe you need to jump two pins in a coneector than
operate buttons in the proper sequence while later ones are done entirely by
proper manipulation of the set & select buttons. Newer models give you seven
changes rather than three but it still seems wasteful to throw away a
perfectly good cluster just because it reads off. (But I have to mention that
if the speedo is off so is the odometer and you run afoul of mileage
disclosure statements when it comes time to sell the vehicle.)

Tim


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Date: 18 Apr 00 22:08:50 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [AW: Re: Tires for Aerostar/Repairs]

ThomasUcen premiereworld.de wrote:

> As for the repairs, the engine comparment IS small, but have you ever
popped
> up the hood of a Chevy Astro? I've seen that once and since then, I think
> the Aerostar is not so bad.

Except the Astro has a proper engine cover in the passenger compartment rather
than the tiny placemat offered in the A'star. While neither is 'fun' to work
on the Astro is easier for most services by working from the passenger
compartment.


> I rather have a van with huge interior space
> than one with a long hood like the windstar, which to me is not a van or
> minivan, but a station wagon with a higher body structure. Recently, I
> transported a carpet that was 12ft wide. Fitted exactly between the
> windshield and the hatch. Try do that with a Chrysler minivan.......

The Windstar (A Nissan BTW.. go look at the labels underhood) is like the
Caravan in that it's essentially a car with a big cabin as you say. I'm glad
the mini-van craze tapered off but I wish it hadn't been replaced with the so
called 'SUV' craze as it's upped the price considerably for those of us that
want a plain jane manual everything 4WD to motor around in where we please.

> P.S.: Richard, I am still happy with the Coopers, didn't have to use the
> chains this winter

I wonder if they're the same as the Coopers in the mainland US. I've
certainly seen tires marked "for sale only in the US & Canada" but never
investigated why. Anyone able to shed some light on that?

Tim

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 21:28:59 -0500
From: Buck Shoff sktc.net>
Subject: Re: Calling All Cooper Tires

I have liked my Cooper tires alot better than any Michelin's I have
owned. I would certainly buy Coopers again, can't say that about
Michelin.
Buck Shoff

Richard wrote:
>
> Since we've been having a lively discussion about Aerostar tires, I'm
> still very curious about peoples' experiences with Cooper tires.


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Date: 18 Apr 00 22:33:48 EDT
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Explorer Transmission - When do you change the fluid

"Edward C. Miller" pb.com> wrote:

> I've got a 4LSOHC explorer (1998) with an auto transmission. The service
> manual says when to replace fluid for the 5L but I haven't found any mention
of
> the 4L tranny. When should I change it? (I've got 41K on it now).

A lot depends on your usage; I've seen clean fluid at 75K on babied vehicles
and dark brown fluid with TCC problems at 30K in conversion vans.. To me 30K
isn't unreasonable but 50-60K would be alright if your usage is light duty
only.

> Also
> what;'s the best way to find a shop that'll flush the tranny to get the
new
> fluid into the torque converter.

I'm familliar with BG products and they have a 'locator' on their website
(bgprod.com I think) for distributors (who could refer you based on the
'feel' they have for the shops in the area); Wynn's or other equipment
suppliers might offer this as well. Another avenue would be to stop if you
see a tool truck (Snap-On, Mac, Matco, etc.) parked somewhere and ask his
opinion of what shops/technicians know what's what. You'ld be amazed at what
you can tell about a technician by the tools they buy (and actually use).


> I keep hearing horror stories about the quick
> lube places. Thanks in advance for any advice

Again I'm only familliar with one brand of equipment but with that one it'd be
pretty hard to screw anything up short of using the wrong type of fluid. Had
an instance a week or so ago a couple hours up the road (unknown if it was a
quickie) where the guy dropped the filter on a new Cherokee because it was
hot.. shorted the starter terminals and caught fire.. extinquisher had already
been used and was empty. Scratch one Jeep.

Tim


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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2000 08:09:37 -0600
From: Karl Hock pathbox.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: [AW: Re: Tires for Aerostar/Repairs]

Hope I didn't edit this too much. Isn't a Windstar basically a Ford Taurus
with a tall roof? A Mercury Villager is a Nissan Quest though.

Karl

>The Windstar (A Nissan BTW.. go look at the labels underhood) is like the
>Caravan in that it's essentially a car with a big cabin as you say. I'm glad
>the mini-van craze tapered off but I wish it hadn't been replaced with the so....


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