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small-list Digest Sat, 12 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 005

In This Issue:
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?
two-color tail lights on recent models
Note from a Enthusiast
Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?
Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...
Re: Reliabilty of Ford
Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...
ADMIN: AFTE and Pigeon Forge Lists
Re: Reliabilty of Ford
Re: Reliabilty of Ford
Re: Reliabilty of Ford
Re: small-list Digest V2000 #4
Re: Happy Ford Customer vs. COMPLAINTs
Re: Happy Ford Customer vs. COMPLAINTs
Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?
Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:32:24 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

My 420,000+ mile 1989 Ranger 2.9 uses/loses/somehow dissapears about half od a
quart of conventional oil across a 3000 mile oil change. I too lost *one* tie
rod end. I have kept 30 " tires on it, while the little red bronco has 31s on
it.

Long live the 2.9!!

Adam

mikah vosekuil wrote:

> i it never burns, leaks oil, or smoke. i
> put 65,000 on it since i bought it and have nothing to complain about. when
> i bought it i expected it to be just basic transportationand it is far from
> that. id like to see your "friend" buy a rice grinder for $1000 and stick
> as little money in it as i did for a 14 year old vehicle. the parts i put
> in my truck would cost him probably $2000 alone. i'n not saying ranger
> front ends are indestructable but they sure are a lot stronger than the
> chincy front ends found on most imports. my 87 never gave me a problem
> either. i bought it with 72,000 miles and it now has over 200,000. within
> a year i plan to pull out the 2.3 and put in a high output 302. i'd push my
> truck before i'd consider getting something else. so tell your "friend"
> that if he wants a reliable truck find a ranger. they pretty much grow on
> trees so it won't be hard to find one.
>
>


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 17:16:37 -0900
From: "Shane A. Watson" UAA.ALASKA.EDU>
Subject: two-color tail lights on recent models

Hi,
I have noticed that many Ford cars and trucks used to have tri-color
tail lights, which I think they are helpful, especially when the hazard
lights and the turn signals are on. Recently, Ford changed them into old
style two-color ones like on the 2000 Rangers, Windstars. Even the
Econline, Taurus, Escorts, and many others. Even the Focus has them aside
from the brochures that they have tri colors.

So, if I going to buy my next Ford vehicle, are they easy to change them
to tri-color tail lights from the previous models like taking out the
2000 Ranger tailights and replaced them with the '98-'99s?

I don't see the justifcation that Ford changed them other than the cost
that may be small like the missing glovebox lights and underhood lights.

Thanks,
<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>
*Shane A Watson*
<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>


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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 19:46:51 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Note from a Enthusiast

>When somebody writes to the list asking for advice, then proceeds to >tell everyone why he and his friend think Ford products suck, how do >you take that? Is he doing the same thing on a >Toyota/Nissan/Mazda/Mitubishi/etc. list? I don't think so.

>My good friend and electronics bench technician, Paul, has just bent a
>rod in his Subaru wagon. It's time for him to replace the car.

Probably has not posted to a sub*ru list either.
I used to own a sub*ru myself.I hated that car.
The last thing I would have dreamed of doing would be join a list called
sub*ru enthusiasts,because I was nowhere near being a sub*ru enthusiast.


> After watching his brother replace the heater core in his Taurus, >Paul's opionion of Ford products is pretty low, too.

The heater core in my 76 F-250 is a real bear to change too.
And the point is?

>I take no solace from the knowledge that the recent Ford
>employee bonuses came out of this customer's hide,

And just exactly where does the profit from every other corparation
in world come from? I was under the assumption it all came out of the
consumer's hide.

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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 20:55:16 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Note from a Enthusiast

> A quick comment/question, if I may:

>
> > After watching his brother replace the heater core in his Taurus, >Paul's opionion of Ford products is pretty low, too.
>
> The heater core in my 76 F-250 is a real bear to change too.
> And the point is?
>

I must have been replacing these like three a year across my Bronco, father's ranger and friend's trucks. What exactly is the big deal? They're $26 at Napa, and I usually replace the hoses while I am at it. Maybe an hour, to an hour and a half if I go
slow and take my time?

You need 2 nut drivers, and the cool hose puller tool from the parts store. So what?

Adam



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Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:07:55 +0000
From: Tim Curran gte.net>
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

All I can say when it comes to older Rangers is: Parts are readily available! I've been hit a
total of 10 times and there isn't a single dent in my '88 XLT because I just replace damaged
components with salvage yard fenders and tailgates... with the exception to my new windshield
and after market bumper, but was replaced due to rust, not collision damage. I think so far I
have maybe $1,000 in repairs in the truck spread out over 10 accidents where people have hit
me, I'm rather proud of the fact that I have yet to invoke a single accident, I wonder
sometimes if I don't have a big hit me sign on my tailgate!

Tim


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Date: 12 Feb 00 22:27:43 PST
From: Tim Clevenger usa.net>
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

Hi Richard,

I can't speak for all Ranger owners, but when I'm ready for a new truck, I'll
drive my Ranger to the Ford dealer and trade it in on another. My '86 Ranger
has over 195,000 miles on it, and despite the standard paint issues with
mid-80's vehicles, it still runs great. The 2.3L engine and 5-speed isn't the
fastest combo for uphill runs, but I get 22 mpg on the freeway.

My 'parts truck' is an '83 Ranger with the 2.3L and a 4-speed manual. The
only reason it died (at 163,000 miles) was because the previous owner lost the
oil filler cap and stuffed a shop rag into the opening. The engine inhaled
the rag and he decided to buy a new Ranger instead of rebuilding the engine.

My dad has a '96 4x4 extended cab with a 4.0L V-6 and auto, and his only
problem was an aftermarket radiator fan that the previous owner wired
incorrectly.

Regards,

Tim Clevenger
'86 Ranger 'S'

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From: rgstein pacbell.net
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 21:50:33 -0800
Subject: Should I recommend a Ranger?



Can you guys say some good words about your Ford Rangers? If so, what
years/versions would you recommend for my friend? He's only got between
$3,000 and $5,000 to spend.

Richard


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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 08:07:52 -0500
From: Dwight & Tina Varnes lancnews.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...

Having just purchased my 1990 4x2 a few months ago, and having searched
about for quite awhile for a truck, I think I can offers some perpective
from someone who hasn't spent his life worshipping the blue oval.

I purchased my 2.3 5 speed stripper model for $2300 in very nice
condition, but needing some mechanical work the PO never bothered with.
So far I've replaced (beyond maintenance items) shocks, throttle
position switch, oxy sensor, trans plugs and clutch slave. The radiator
leaks at the seams, but since I come from a VW background I'm used to
that and consider it a normal annoyance. It's pulled mildly to the right
since purchase which I'll get around to fixing at the next state
inspection. It has manual steering which give better feel than power but
makes parking a chore. Trans shifts beautifully but upper bearings whine
thanks to fluid running low (those mother*^$%& rubber plugs!).
In comparing to my Dad's 86 B2000, the Ranger drives like a truck, while
the Mazda drives more like a car with a bed on the back. The ranger has
more power by far. Mazda's interior plastic is garbage, making the
Ranger Pinto-inspired switchgear seem exotic. The Mazda has been
incredibly trouble-free aside from oil leaks from tired seals and a
minor carb problem. The Ranger thus far has been a frustrating love-hate
relationship with the fuel injection system. It always runs, but has had
several problems and been a bugger to diagnose without buying the
factory manual (neither Haynes nor Chilton adequately cover the
system).It is relatively easy to work on, the junkyards are full of 'em
(one of my criteria) and they do seem to last forever for the most part,
including a resistance to rust.
Recommendation to your friend: avoid the 2.9 due to the cracking heads.
I haven't talked to an owner yet who hasn't replaced either head or
entire engine by 100k. I like the stick trans but make sure it's not
leaking ATF and works properly as they are very expensive to fix. The
vinyl minimalist interior appears to hold up better than the fancy-pants
XLT cloth. Beware previously wrecked trucks as aftermarket junk repair
parts run rampant on Rangers.
The Ranger is far superior to the S-10, comparable to the Japanese
brands for the most part.
A word about Fords in general: I think the newer the product the better.
The eighties and early 90s weren't the best years for Ford products, but
having had several Contour company cars with no probs and the arrival of
the 4.0 engine I believe they are vastly improved and wouldn't be afraid
of buying a new one.

Dwight Varnes
1990 2.3 4x2 shortbed 'S', 123,000 miles
Previously owned:
1976 Ford Courier (Mazda) w/ Weber carb (still slow)
1966 Chevy C-10 292 3spd 4:56 rear (top speed 60mph)
1965 Ford F-100 353 3spd (sorely missed)
1984 Nissan 4x4 King Cab rebuilt wreck (slow, unimpressed w/ quality)

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From: "Will Brown" mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 10:02:22 -0500
Subject: Re: Reliabilty of Ford

On 12 Feb 00, at 16:08, Ken Payne wrote:

> Correction..... The dealer failed on all accounts. You
> can't blame that on FoMoCo.

I see your point, but I had a recent bru-ha-ha with a local dealer
over something - they were trying to blame Mazda (in my case),
and I reminded them that as far as I, the consumer, was
concerned, they (the local dealer) *were* Mazda in my eyes - yes,
this guys local Ford dealer is not main FoMoCo headquarters in
Detriot or wherever, but they are acting on Fords behalf, and acting
as a representative or embassador if you will of Ford. I don't know
this guys story, maybe he shoulda gone up the chain of command
until he got satisfaction. Yeah, that would be his responsibility, but
then FoMoCo should come back and grab the local dealer by the
ear and tell them what-for if they screwed up that bad, acting as a
representative for FoMoCo. But I will also concede that while the
manufacturer may (*may*) have your best interest as a long-term
satisfied consumer at heart, the local dealers will more than likely
look at you funny and ask "why are you still here?" once you've
bought your vehicle and they've made their money

\/\/


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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 07:08:02 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Reccomend a Ranger? Maybe...

The 1989 Ranger STX in my driveway has 420,000+ miles on the original motor
and heads. The red 1988 Bronco II next to it has 167,000 miles on the
original motor and heads. These are both 2.9s.

The 2.9 is known for it's inscredible longevity and performance. The Bronco
II has enough ooomph to cost me a coupld of rear-ends already. There is a
2.9 at my local dealership with 500,000 miles on it.

Long live the 2.9!

Adam


> Recommendation to your friend: avoid the 2.9 due to the cracking heads.
> I haven't talked to an owner yet who hasn't replaced either head or
> entire engine by 100k. I like the stick trans but make sure it's not
> leaking ATF and works properly as they are very expensive to fix. The
> vinyl minimalist interior appears to hold up better than the fancy-pants
> XLT cloth. Beware previously wrecked trucks as aftermarket junk repair
> parts run rampant on Rangers.
> The Ranger is far superior to the S-10, comparable to the Japanese
> brands for the most part.
> A word about Fords in general: I think the newer the product the better.
> The eighties and early 90s weren't the best years for Ford products


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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:04:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: AFTE and Pigeon Forge Lists

The AFTE and Pigeon Forge lists are back up.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:49:14 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Reliabilty of Ford

I experienced firsthand that FoMoCo doesn't give a flip either.
They asked me what the dealership told me, then said "well, that's our
stand as well" and told me to get over it. Their customer service is
non-existent.


At 10:02 AM 2/13/00 -0500, you wrote:


>I see your point, but I had a recent bru-ha-ha with a local dealer
>over something - they were trying to blame Mazda (in my case),
>and I reminded them that as far as I, the consumer, was
>concerned, they (the local dealer) *were* Mazda in my eyes - yes,
>this guys local Ford dealer is not main FoMoCo headquarters in
>Detriot or wherever, but they are acting on Fords behalf, and acting
>as a representative or embassador if you will of Ford. I don't know
>this guys story, maybe he shoulda gone up the chain of command
>until he got satisfaction. Yeah, that would be his responsibility, but
>then FoMoCo should come back and grab the local dealer by the
>ear and tell them what-for if they screwed up that bad, acting as a
>representative for FoMoCo. But I will also concede that while the
>manufacturer may (*may*) have your best interest as a long-term
>satisfied consumer at heart, the local dealers will more than likely
>look at you funny and ask "why are you still here?" once you've
>bought your vehicle and they've made their money

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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:53:51 EST
Subject: Re: Reliabilty of Ford

when the dealership and the company give ya a hard time ya just threaten them
with the attorney general and Department of Consumer Affairs.. here in NY
that worked wonders when Ford didnt want to honor a warranty thing with my
old truck. the new one, so far, has been trouble free
Bob

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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:09:14 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Reliabilty of Ford

At 11:53 AM 2/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>when the dealership and the company give ya a hard time ya just threaten them
>with the attorney general and Department of Consumer Affairs.. here in NY
>that worked wonders when Ford didnt want to honor a warranty thing with my
>old truck. the new one, so far, has been trouble free


I gave that line a shot as well.
Ford gave me the address of their legal department and told me to direct
any further correspondance to them.


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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 11:13:55 -0500
From: Steven Hollowell home.com>
Subject: Re: small-list Digest V2000 #4

Richard,

I felt I had to say something in Ford's defense and share my experiences with Ford products.
Now granted I am a little biased since my dad works for Ford, but the bias is also based on
positive experiences. My first new Ford product was an '86 Escort that I bought while in
college when my previous used car was stolen. I put 45,000 miles on it, very hard ones I
might add, in 3-1/2 years with no problems. I sold it to my dad when I bought my '90 Ranger
with 4.0L/auto. My dad drove that Escort it for a year then sold it to his boss. His boss
put an additional 100K miles on it then gave it to his son. The only major work on it was a
timing belt plus the usual maintenance items. The car was running great until the bosses' son
shortened the front end a foot or so when he ran it into the back of a hay wagon.

My '90 Ranger was a great truck for the 6 years I owned it. It did have a problem with oil
leaks at first, but a few trips to the dealer got that taken care of under warranty. This was
a very reliable truck. In '94 we had a very cold winter in Michigan. Low temps ran in the
-20 range for a week or more and that Ranger would fire right up without hesitation every
morning. My friends newer Chrysler product didn't quite hold up to that. I traded that
Ranger in with 60K miles on it in '96.

I am now leasing a '98 Ranger and have already ordered a 2000 Ranger as my current lease is
just about up. I have not had one problem with this '98. Ranger's are great trucks. They
are fun to drive and durable as they come. I would recommend them and Ford to anyone.

Steve
'98 Ranger, RC, Flareside, 2.5L/5 speed

>
> Can you guys say some good words about your Ford Rangers? If so, what
> years/versions would you recommend for my friend? He's only got between
> $3,000 and $5,000 to spend.
>
> Richard
>


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From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: Happy Ford Customer vs. COMPLAINTs
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:31:59 -0500

I am well satisfied with my 92 Ranger SuperCab, 4x4, 2.9L, Auto. I
added a cap on the back and put a K&N Air Filter on it, otherwise it
is stock. I purchased it new in 91 and have 75,000+ miles on it now.
I've put new tires, new exhaust muffler/tail pipe, new coil, new plug
wires and new U-Joints. Normal maintenance every 3500 miles and at
60,000 I had the engine flushed with the Bilstein Oil Flush service
and had the Fuel Injection system cleaned/flushed out. Other than
that I've had no problems and very reliable service from this vehicle.
I also had a 93 Mercury Tracer that the wife drove for five years and
45,000 miles before giving it to my son and he still has it and no
problems except for normal maintenance/replacement items. I have a
97 T-Bird with 45,000 miles on it and it still cranks out the same as
when I bought it new. I also just recently bought a 2000 Explorer
Limited AWD and so far very happy with it. I have to admit that while
being totally happy with Ford vehicles in the past ten years, I can
not say the same for the 70's and early 80's Fords. Ford had some
problems and took action to fix and move on and their record sales
speak for themselves.

Thank You.
Take Care and Have a Good Day.
CUL8R, Mike

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Subject: [small-list] Re: small-list Digest V2000 #4


> Richard,
>
> I felt I had to say something in Ford's defense and share my
experiences with Ford products.
> Now granted I am a little biased since my dad works for Ford, but
the bias is also based on
> positive experiences. My first new Ford product was an '86 Escort
that I bought while in
> college when my previous used car was stolen. I put 45,000 miles on
it, very hard ones I
> might add, in 3-1/2 years with no problems. I sold it to my dad
when I bought my '90 Ranger
> with 4.0L/auto. My dad drove that Escort it for a year then sold it
to his boss. His boss
> put an additional 100K miles on it then gave it to his son. The
only major work on it was a
> timing belt plus the usual maintenance items. The car was running
great until the bosses' son
> shortened the front end a foot or so when he ran it into the back of
a hay wagon.
>
> My '90 Ranger was a great truck for the 6 years I owned it. It did
have a problem with oil
> leaks at first, but a few trips to the dealer got that taken care of
under warranty. This was
> a very reliable truck. In '94 we had a very cold winter in
Michigan. Low temps ran in the
> -20 range for a week or more and that Ranger would fire right up
without hesitation every
> morning. My friends newer Chrysler product didn't quite hold up to
that. I traded that
> Ranger in with 60K miles on it in '96.
>
> I am now leasing a '98 Ranger and have already ordered a 2000 Ranger
as my current lease is
> just about up. I have not had one problem with this '98. Ranger's
are great trucks. They
> are fun to drive and durable as they come. I would recommend them
and Ford to anyone.
>
> Steve
> '98 Ranger, RC, Flareside, 2.5L/5 speed
>
> >
> > Can you guys say some good words about your Ford Rangers? If so,
what
> > years/versions would you recommend for my friend? He's only got
between
> > $3,000 and $5,000 to spend.
> >
> > Richard
> >
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:54:49 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Happy Ford Customer vs. COMPLAINTs

I had a few problems in the beginning with my 97 Explorer V8 AWD Eddie
Bauer, but what do you expect for a used vehicle. As company cars, I had
an 87 Taurus Wagon, an 89 Taurus Wagon and a 91 taurus Wagon. All 3 were
flawless for the 70K I put on each with regular maintenance. Factory
Firestone tires have always been junk, and had those replaced by the lease
companies. My (7 explorer is great, powerful and except for 2 problems
(heater Blend air door and Cracked pass. exhaust manifold) It's been
great. I've put 17000 miles on it since June of 99, 7200 were a round trip
vacation to California and back to NC the day after I got it! 21-22 MPG on
the highway, 14-16 around town with the 5.0L V8 and 3.73 gears. It has a
K&N air filter, and larger intake snorkle and a magnaflow dual 2.5" in,
single 3" out exhaust system. Ford Motorsports headers are on the way to
replace the cracked and restrictive manifolds. Ford get's $350.00 for the
Pass side manifold, with the warning that I'm wasting my money as it will
crack too! (from the parts guy). Checked around and found the motorsports
headers for $259.00 from Holcomb Motorsports here in NC, they are stainless
steel and have a lifetime warranty. Should be here next week.
Have ordered the Heater/AC Plenum assy (for the blend air door problem) for
$100.00, and will replace that in the next couple weeks as well.


At 12:31 PM 2/13/00 -0500, you wrote:
>I am well satisfied with my 92 Ranger SuperCab, 4x4, 2.9L, Auto. I
>added a cap on the back and put a K&N Air Filter on it, otherwise it
>is stock. I purchased it new in 91 and have 75,000+ miles on it now.
>I've put new tires, new exhaust muffler/tail pipe, new coil, new plug
>wires and new U-Joints. Normal maintenance every 3500 miles and at
>60,000 I had the engine flushed with the Bilstein Oil Flush service
>and had the Fuel Injection system cleaned/flushed out. Other than
>that I've had no problems and very reliable service from this vehicle.
>I also had a 93 Mercury Tracer that the wife drove for five years and
>45,000 miles before giving it to my son and he still has it and no
>problems except for normal maintenance/replacement items. I have a
>97 T-Bird with 45,000 miles on it and it still cranks out the same as
>when I bought it new. I also just recently bought a 2000 Explorer
>Limited AWD and so far very happy with it. I have to admit that while
>being totally happy with Ford vehicles in the past ten years, I can
>not say the same for the 70's and early 80's Fords. Ford had some
>problems and took action to fix and move on and their record sales
>speak for themselves.

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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 12:48:36 CST

Well, it may be easy to change the heater core in the truck line, but it
certainly isn't in many Ford cars. Some of them require the ENTIRE dash
assembly, consoles, shifer, etc, to come out. You certainly can't do those
in an hour or an hour and a half. (Remember, his opinion is based on his
perspective and experiences).

It is important for someone new to Ford trucks to understand that you can't
necessarily equate the truck to the car lines.



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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 14:15:54 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Note from a Enthusiast

The explorers are a great example of this... They require the whole dash,
center console etc to be removed, and the book also says to drain and
recover the freon from the A/C, because the evaporator core has to be
removed to get at 3 bolts holding the plenum in place to remove it so full
access to the heater core can be had. Flat rate book gives 7.5 hrs to
replacing the heater core in a 97 Explorer.


At 12:48 PM 2/13/00 -0600, you wrote:
>Well, it may be easy to change the heater core in the truck line, but it
>certainly isn't in many Ford cars. Some of them require the ENTIRE dash
>assembly, consoles, shifer, etc, to come out. You certainly can't do
>those in an hour or an hour and a half. (Remember, his opinion is based on
>his perspective and experiences).
>
>It is important for someone new to Ford trucks to understand that you
>can't necessarily equate the truck to the car lines.




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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 13:17:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Ciocco yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

I have an 87 BII that I bought in 95. It had 140K miles and I paid $3200. I am now approaching
250K miles (1/4 million). When I bought it, I had to replace the driveshaft. I have had the
automatic transmission rebuild at about 160K, and expect it again within the next 25K or so. I
also had to replace the A/C condenser twice, due to my buying cheap parts the first time. I just
recently replaced the heater core for the second time. A half hour job that I was able to do
without taking my gloves off (brrrrr, it was cold out).

I live outside of Charlotte NC and recently returned from a trip to FL. I would be happy with
better gas mileage (19-20 city or highway), but other than that I can't say I would like any other
vehicle. A couple years back, when I lived in FL, my wife and I drove it to TX. I will be taking
up to NJ in a couple of months and I drive to work 25 mile each way every day.

I recently got the truck repainted and it looks like new. The motor has never been touched, to the
best of my knowledge. The interior has held up well, even though it has never had mats. It did
take a good cleaning with a capet extractor when I first got it.

I was turned on to Ford products when I saw that the Lincoln Town Cars, that I drove for a living
for a while, went over 500K and did not need anything except routine maint. and a transmission
every 200K or so. The people with Cadillac's didn't get anywhere near the same service from them.

If your friend wants an excuse to buy a jap car, I'm sure he'll find one. Personally, I wouldn't
want one. My previous car was an 87 Escort, that's as close as I want to get, a Canadian Mazda. By
the way, the Escort with the seats down had alot of room in the back and got 40 mpg highway. I got
140k miles out of it, until I was hit while sitting at a red light and the car was totaled.

I love my BII.

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From: Bakend aol.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 19:31:01 EST
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

In a message dated 02/12/2000 12:12:33 AM Mountain Standard Time,
rgstein pacbell.net writes:

> he's gotten 15 years out of his Nissan pickup
> already.
My 87 Ranger has 260 K miles and is still going strong. Engine was replaced
by previous owner at 160 K with a junk yard engine. I have had to do the
normal repairs (water pump, shocks and rubber parts) but nothing more. I
bought a 2000 Ranger for xmas and it seems even better. I am hoping it runs
at least as long.
D Baken

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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Note from a Enthusiast
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:31:52 CST

Seven-and-a-half hours wouldn't surprise me, especially if you do remove the
freon, etc. I guess the next time I need to replace one, I call on Adam for
help.


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Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:39:14 -0600
From: Buck Shoff sktc.net>
Subject: Re: Should I recommend a Ranger?

My first Ranger was an 89 that I bought new. It was the best, most
dependable vechile that I have owned. I cracked a head at 175K. I
found a low mile engine cheaper than rebuilt heads, so I put it in. The
truck ran great to 214K, when a 15 year old kid with a learners permit
pulled right out in front of me. The accident totaled the Ranger, but I
walked away with no injuries.
That pickup had no warranty work, and I did all of the repairs except....


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