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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list small-list); Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 13:16:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: small-list digest users Reply-to: small-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: small-list Digest V2000 #45 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts Small Chassis Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe small-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ small-list Digest Mon, 10 Apr 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 045 In This Issue: Re: timing/advance 302 Re: timing/advance 302 Re: timing/advance 302 Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Replacing Spark Plugs Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) 93 Aerostar - change in gas mileage after complete batter AW: 93 Aerostar - change in gas mileage after comple Re: AW: 93 Aerostar - change in gas mileage after comple Re: 93 Aerostar - change in gas mileage after ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:19:55 -0400 From: David Cooley Subject: Re: timing/advance 302 At 09:59 PM 4/9/00, you wrote: >three questions. First i put my exhaust on temp. to get it to the muffler >shop. have one full length exhaust running to the back with the muffler >about 4 ft back. and one muffler is directly behind the headers about 18 >inches. both are 2.5" flowmasters. would this make the engine run rough >like a cylinder may not be firing properly or something? > >i have an older 302, maybe mid or early 70's. Have an 86 T-Bird front >assy. and drive access. on it. would the timing points from the T-Bird >match right? > >last, does anyone know of a chart to look at and see what the advances >should be at different RPM's on this engine? If it's fuel injected, you have to disconnect a wire to see what timing is... (I think it's the PIP) The miss could be it's running lean... Need to disconnect the computer for a few minutes to erase it's learned info... it will relearn the newer breathing habits and idle will clean up etc. =========================================================== David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068 We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! =========================================================== ------------------------------ From: "Bad Brian" Subject: Re: timing/advance 302 Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 21:28:40 PDT >>>three questions. First i put my exhaust on temp. to get it to the >>muffler >>shop. have one full length exhaust running to the back with the muffler >>about 4 ft back. and one muffler is directly behind the headers about 18 >>inches. both are 2.5" flowmasters. would this make the engine run rough >>like a cylinder may not be firing properly or something? >> >>i have an older 302, maybe mid or early 70's. Have an 86 T-Bird front >>assy. and drive access. on it. would the timing points from the T-Bird >>match right? >> >>last, does anyone know of a chart to look at and see what the advances >>should be at different RPM's on this engine? > the engine is carb. not fuel injected > ______________________________________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 00:37:08 -0400 From: David Cooley Subject: Re: timing/advance 302 At 12:28 AM 4/10/00, you wrote: >the engine is carb. not fuel injected You'll need to re-adjust the idle mixture and may need to open up the jets a size or two to compensate for the increased breathing. =========================================================== David Cooley N5XMT Internet: N5XMT bellsouth.net Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068 We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated! =========================================================== ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. One other "goofy' item was the speedo gearing.. We lived in Montana and spent many years with no daytime speedlimit. I always wondered why Dad never got a speeding ticket or warning when he drove the Ranger . He should have at least gotten one or two in the ten years he drove it, as I knew his driving style-- usually 10-15 over if conditions were OK. The year after he passed away, I scored a set of 215R70's mounted on Mopar 'pursuit car' rims, and they fit the Ranger better than my Tojo pickup at the time. After putting them on, we did the stopwatch/milemarker tests on a section of I5 that's marked as "speedometer/odometer test" rated, and found the damned thing was SPOT ON.. remember this thing CAME with 185-14's! There's got to be at least 2" more radius with this combo, so I'm guessing that the prior "60" was more like "53-54 mph". This explains why Dad never got a ticket... That same truck also has a factory tranny cooler ; looks like it was maybe an experiment at building a trailer towing package, but the build sheet doesn't show any of this. Sorry, I don't remember where my brother found the build sheet, but I'm somewat guessing that it was under the seat . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Spam Unwelcome Here* Don't believe me?? Want to see what can show up in front of YOUR place? Check out lower left photo at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.robertstech.com/gallery/page13.htm (Courtesy of Seattle Times) ------------------------------ From: "Keith Christensen" Subject: Re: Oddball Ranger (was swaybars) Date: Sun, 9 Apr 2000 21:38:50 -0700 From: "Jon,Jody" >> *sidebar* >> The 'funkfactor' involved in torching out all the stuff may be more > >than buying new.. burnt bushings, etc. >If you are getting the whole assembly, don't bother with a torch. grind >or unbolt it as a unit. You must deal with better wrecking yards than I do... asking them to grind off rivets gets big blank stares!! Oh yes, more on that 83 Ranger.. my father bought that new off the lot that way. 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