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small-list Digest Fri, 10 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 027

In This Issue:
Re: Man, I am the target
Source for Parts
Re: Man, I am the target
Re: Man, I am the target
Re: [Wheel size for Explorer]
5.0L Header update
Re: 5.0L Header update
Re: [Re: Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent
Re: [Man, I am the target]
Re: Man, I am the target
Re: Spark plug thread
Re: [Source for Parts]
Refueling
'89 BII Heater Core Replacement

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From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: Man, I am the target
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:33:59 -0500

If I were you I'd get a better rear view mirror!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam McLaughlin" jps.net>
To: "small list" ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:05 AM
Subject: [small-list] Man, I am the target


>
> That's two times in three weeks.
> This is fantastic.
> Adam
>



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From: "Bobby Herring" earthlink.net>
Subject: Source for Parts
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 15:49:42 -0600

I just wanted to pass along this new source I found for parts. Others may
already know about them but they are new to me. I haven't bought anything
yet but will soon. I requested quotes for two different dealer only parts.
One was 15% cheaper than the local Ford dealership and the other was $30
instead of $70.

In the answer to my parts quote, they listed two web sites:

www.fordpartsnetwork.com
www.modernmustang.com

Bobby Herring



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From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Man, I am the target
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:43:27 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
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Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 11:05 PM
Subject: [small-list] Man, I am the target


> Do you all remember how I was upset about getting hit by a young
> un-insured driver about three weeks ago?
>
> Well, guess what. On my way to school today, I get rear ended again by
> some guy in a Maxima.
>
> That's two times in three weeks.

Man! you gotta quit using that stealth fighter paint on your vehicle.

SPECTRE


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From: "John Becker" big-river.net>
Subject: Re: Man, I am the target
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 19:02:57 -0600


>
> Do you all remember how I was upset about getting hit by a young
> un-insured driver about three weeks ago?
>
> Well, guess what. On my way to school today, I get rear ended again by
> some guy in a Maxima.
>
> That's two times in three weeks.



Remove sign that reads "HIT ME"


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Date: 10 Mar 00 19:56:59 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Wheel size for Explorer]

"Tony Rio (Chicago)" tigroupchicago.com> wrote:

> Does anyone know the dimentions of the stock wheel for a 95 Eddie Baurer
> Explorer? I know they are 16" rims, but I need to know how wide, and what
> backspacing.

Best bet would be to get the original ones measured, my reference book lists
both 6 & 7 inch wide rims for '96.

>
> Apparently the wife took the truck to have it aligned, and 3 of the wheels
> are bent,

How badly? a little bit of wobble would be OK as long as it'll balance out
alright.

> in addition to it needing ball-joints

On a '95? How many Miles are on it? Must be a bunch if it's in need of ball
joints...

> and rear brakes.

No offense to the shop involved since I cant see the vehicle, but a second
opinion from another shop might not hurt.

Tim

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 20:35:26 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: 5.0L Header update


Hi all,
Just wanted to send out a quick update on the Headers I put on my 97
5.0L AWD explorer...
Just got back from a 2 day trip to atlanta. 680 miles round trip, total
fuel used: 30.1Gal, MPG for the whole trip: 22!!!
Leaving home Wednesday afternoon I got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic
for about 1.5 hrs, then it was 80-85 MPH the rest of the way. On the
way home today, I hit Charlotte, NC at 5pm... Bumper to bumper and stop
and go for over an hour. Lots of stops (at least 6 on the way home...
12 cups of coffee this AM had to go somewhere!!!)
Filled up in Atlanta, 340 miles, 16.2 gals. I always fill it until the
gas is to the top of the filler neck... Damn thing takes 3 gallons +
after the pump shuts off! 21MPG on the way down, filled up at home, 340
Miles 14.8 Gals, 23MPG
Weather was 78-82 degrees, about 40 miles in a pouring rain and temp
dropped to 66, then back up to 80, MPH between 80-85 both directions.
Mostly used cruise. A/C also keeping the cabin to 68 degrees!
Between the 1-2 MPG increase and the better throttle response and
pick-up, this was the best $250.00 I have ever spent!!!

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Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 18:04:19 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: 5.0L Header update

Hi David,

That's awesome! Glad to hear that they worked out for you.

So you got an increase in your MPG? I didn't notice any increase for my gas
dollars. And since the cheap gas here is 1.87 in Sonoma County, California,
I could use that. Not that baby bronco runs on that. She likes 92 octane
Chevron, at 2.09 per gallon.

Man, I wish my headers were only $250. Those $488 JBA headers of mine sure
look nice, but were quite expensive for a 20 year old kid.

Now, If I could only find a decent set of headers for the 351
that's going into the Ranger, then I would be happy. .

Adam

David Cooley wrote:

> Hi all,
> Just wanted to send out a quick update on the Headers I put on my 97
> 5.0L AWD explorer...
> Just got back from a 2 day trip to atlanta. 680 miles round trip, total
> fuel used: 30.1Gal, MPG for the whole trip: 22!!!
> Leaving home Wednesday afternoon I got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic
> for about 1.5 hrs, then it was 80-85 MPH the rest of the way. On the
> way home today, I hit Charlotte, NC at 5pm... Bumper to bumper and stop
> and go for over an hour. Lots of stops (at least 6 on the way home...
> 12 cups of coffee this AM had to go somewhere!!!)
> Filled up in Atlanta, 340 miles, 16.2 gals. I always fill it until the
> gas is to the top of the filler neck... Damn thing takes 3 gallons +
> after the pump shuts off! 21MPG on the way down, filled up at home, 340
> Miles 14.8 Gals, 23MPG
> Weather was 78-82 degrees, about 40 miles in a pouring rain and temp
> dropped to 66, then back up to 80, MPH between 80-85 both directions.
> Mostly used cruise. A/C also keeping the cabin to 68 degrees!
> Between the 1-2 MPG increase and the better throttle response and
> pick-up, this was the best $250.00 I have ever spent!!!


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Date: 10 Mar 00 21:46:12 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent

David Cooley bellsouth.net> wrote:
> At 10:50 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
>
> >The "indie" shop replaced the O2 sensor . The Ford shop replaced the EGO
> >sensor . I'm curious here; is this the SAME part, but just different
> >buzzwords?? (If it is, somebody's gonna get an earful)
>
>
> same part. Oxygen sensor is an Exhaust Gas Oxygen sensor
>

Ditto.. Also known as HEGO (heated EGO incorporating a heating device to
bring the sensor up to operating temp. quicker) and now standardized by OBD-II
to O2S of which there are many on the (OBD-II) vehicle.

Tim

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Date: 10 Mar 00 21:53:34 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Man, I am the target]

Adam McLaughlin jps.net> wrote:

> Well, guess what. On my way to school today, I get rear ended again by
> some guy in a Maxima.
>
> That's two times in three weeks.

Geez Adam.. checked your brake lights lately? ;-)

Tim

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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2000 23:08:31 EST
Subject: Re: Man, I am the target

When my ranger had like 2000 miles on it ( like last september) i was rear
ended on a highway entrance by a 1992 Honda Accord all i got was a scratch
in the plastic on the step of the step bumper... Long live our sturdy and
reliable FOrds!!! I wouldnt drive anything else...

Bob

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Date: 10 Mar 00 23:11:34 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Spark plug thread


Almost glad my computer crashed so I was able to read the whole thread in one
shot! My (random) thoughts on the subject follow...

scott ford-trucks.com> wrote:
> > You will *NEVER* get 2 sparks jumping to both ground
> >electrodes at the same time.
>
> I have heard 100 explanations why splitfires don't work.
> But that is the clearest yet.

Quite correct.. the energy required to start the spark is around 7-10 KV at
idle, but the energy to maintain the spark is more like 1-3 KV. Voltage is
'lazy' and will always follow the path of least resistance so it's NOT going
to jump to one electrode and then the other during the same firing event.
Some VW/Audi engines used 3 ground electrode plugs as OE (Bosch W7DTC IIRC)
and many Mazda RX engines used 4 electrodes (NGK BR8EQ-14 that wears the
center into a square after LOTS of miles ). I suspect this is for
'indexing' purposes rather than for any sparking needs. Around 1985 (long
before splitfire came along) I tried using the 3 electrode Bosch in the Mazda
GLC I was using for autocross and daily driving with no noticeable result.

One thing the spark does like though is sharp edges; the splitfire does offer
the benefit of doubling the number of ground electrode edges, (as does the
U-groove ND) but AC's rapidfire has a number of edges on the center electrode;
makes more sense to me than the split-tail design; for longer life I *might*
try those... Essentially the sharp edges are gone in most normal plugs after
10-15,000 Miles so yes replacing them with 'miracle plugs' (or any other) will
net an increase in HP/Torque/MPG. The mention of using the longer electrode
plugs on the Miata intrigued me; I'd like to see if the results of using
those would be better/worse than going through the pain of indexing the
'proper' plug.

The MagnaTorque (or TorqueMaster or whatever it was) seems to just be a simple
'surface gap' type plug as used in some rotary engines and many non-automotive
applications with the addition of windows in the upper reach of the electrode.
(Guess that's their gimmick..) If you like the idea of the surface gap then
find a master catalog for one of the OE/aftermarket brands and use the heat
range, reach and seat applicable to your OE plug in the SG type.

Doing what I do for a living I see LOTS of plugs after 75-100,000+ Miles of
use on the original copper core plugs still doing the job acceptably even
though the center electrode is worn down to or even below the insulator nose
and/or the ground electrode worn to a nub. Among the brands I see routinely
going above & beyond the call of duty are AC, Bosch, Motorcraft, NGK, and ND;
rarely do I see Champions going that distance without at least one failing and
I've pulled out many a newish looking splitfire during a tune-up. (guess they
didn't like 'em if they were willing to pay me to change 'em out for
Autolites..) I cant speak for the non-OE plugs such as Autolite or Mighty at
100,000 miles as I dont see 'em at that mileage often but I'd imagine the
Autolites would do it as well.

Do I spend extra $$ for premium plugs on my vehicles or Kim's? Hell No! The
B-II currently has AC but will be back to Motorcraft after the rebuild, the
Capri has NGK and the rest make do with Autolites all in regular copper cores.
*IF* I had something that was a pain to change the plugs in (Aerostar!) I
might go platinum but only for the (claimed) longer life rather than any
performance reason.

I'm surprised nobody made any comments on the wires involved in this thread...
This post is long enough already so I leave it to others to expound on that.

Tim

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Date: 10 Mar 00 23:20:41 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Source for Parts]

"Bobby Herring" earthlink.net> wrote:
> I just wanted to pass along this new source I found for parts.

Thanks for the reminder.. I meant to post about http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autosupplyhouse.com
Only sells to people with a tax number (business) but through 3/24/00 has
Ranger/B-II fenders on special for $16.95 plus shipping... If you need one
and know someone that owns a business here's a source.

Tim


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Date: 10 Mar 00 23:35:29 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Refueling

David Cooley bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> way home today, I hit Charlotte, NC at 5pm...

Poor timing!

> Filled up in Atlanta, 340 miles, 16.2 gals. I always fill it until the
> gas is to the top of the filler neck... Damn thing takes 3 gallons +
> after the pump shuts off!

For good reasons.. Expansion with temperature being one. Another is the
possibility of flooding the evaporative emissions system. Better to shut the
pump off after 3 'clicks' from full. The design is better now, but doing that
to older GM products was a good way to rupture the diaphragm in the purge
valve that would result in vacuum being applied to the gas tank causing a
serious drop in MPG among other drivability problems...

Tim


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From: "Summers, Burnett" ptd.net>
Subject: '89 BII Heater Core Replacement
Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2000 00:22:05 -0500

How difficult is this?

Two different manuals say to drain the system, remove the heater hoses, remove the access panel in the cab, and remove the core. Sounds really easy. The pictures show a small access panel being just below the glovebox. In my truck, the only thing visible beneath the glovebox is a fabric covered panel that extends from the transmission hump to the passenger door. Is the access panel maybe behind this? I'm kind of short on time and am hoping to get this done this weekend if it's as easy as the manuals say.

Thanks,

Burnett
'89 Bronco II

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