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In This Issue:
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Plugs and wires
Bed liner question
Re: Bed liner question
Re: Bed liner question
Re: Bed liner question
Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injectio
Re: Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Bed liner question
Re: Plugs and wires
Re: Bed liner question
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From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:59:57 -0500

I don't run the SplitFires in any of my vehicles now but in an old
car, 91 Geo Metro LSI, 1.0L/3cyl, manual tranny. I used it for a
comuter car and it was great for that but lacked any power once on the
highway and in high gears. I put the SplitFires in it and it gave me
a boost in HP and a few extra miles per gallon (although gas milage
was not my concern as that car got 50mpg anyway). I ran that car with
those SplitFires for about 30Kmiles before I got rid of it and handed
it to my son who ran it for another 25Kmiles before he got into an
accident and totalled the car. I learned from that accident that
those small cars, while great commuter cars, are not car for me or
mine. My son was mangled in it and has a metal rod in his leg to this
day (that was five years ago). Anyway, At one time the SplitFires did
do something for me.


Take Care and Have a Good Day.
CUL8R, Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam McLaughlin" jps.net>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:43 AM
Subject: [small-list] Re: Plugs and wires


> Splitfires are EXPENSIVE junk, to boot. Remember how they dropped
their
> prices last summer? I guess at nearly $10 a plug, no one was buying
into
> them.
>
> Junk, junk, junk. I still stick by Champion Truck plugs.
>
> Adam
>
> David Cooley wrote:
>
> > At 03:14 PM 3/6/2000, you wrote:
> > >I want to change out the plug and wires on my '95 Ranger 4.0.
> > >I am thinking about using the following:
> > >
> > >Magnecor KV85 Competition 8.5mm wires.
> > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.magnecor.com/magnecor1/index.htm
> > >
> > >Torque Master plugs.
> > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.torquemaster.com/
> > >
> > >
> > >The truck is stock. Looking for reliability and longevity.
> >
> > Stay away from the torquemasters.
> > Maury, the owner, is a friend of my fathers. He gave me several
sets for
> > different vehicles over the years. Even at no cost, they sucked
and were
> > pulled out within several hundred miles.. They are a scam just
like the
> > Splitfires.
> >
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> > We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
> >


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:11:31 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires

At 05:59 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
>I don't run the SplitFires in any of my vehicles now but in an old
>car, 91 Geo Metro LSI, 1.0L/3cyl, manual tranny. I used it for a
>comuter car and it was great for that but lacked any power once on the
>highway and in high gears. I put the SplitFires in it and it gave me
>a boost in HP and a few extra miles per gallon (although gas milage
>was not my concern as that car got 50mpg anyway). I ran that car with
>those SplitFires for about 30Kmiles before I got rid of it and handed
>it to my son who ran it for another 25Kmiles before he got into an
>accident and totalled the car. I learned from that accident that
>those small cars, while great commuter cars, are not car for me or
>mine. My son was mangled in it and has a metal rod in his leg to this
>day (that was five years ago). Anyway, At one time the SplitFires did
>do something for me.

You do realize that the gains you saw would have been seen with a new set
of stock plugs as well.

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From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 18:25:12 -0500

Actually, no--not in this case. I took the stock plugs out at
10Kmiles, when the car was still new and put in the SplitFires.

Thank You.
Take Care and Have a Good Day.
CUL8R, Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Cooley" bellsouth.net>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:11 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: Plugs and wires


> At 05:59 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
> >I don't run the SplitFires in any of my vehicles now but in an old
> >car, 91 Geo Metro LSI, 1.0L/3cyl, manual tranny. I used it for a
> >comuter car and it was great for that but lacked any power once on
the
> >highway and in high gears. I put the SplitFires in it and it gave
me
> >a boost in HP and a few extra miles per gallon (although gas milage
> >was not my concern as that car got 50mpg anyway). I ran that car
with
> >those SplitFires for about 30Kmiles before I got rid of it and
handed
> >it to my son who ran it for another 25Kmiles before he got into an
> >accident and totalled the car. I learned from that accident that
> >those small cars, while great commuter cars, are not car for me or
> >mine. My son was mangled in it and has a metal rod in his leg to
this
> >day (that was five years ago). Anyway, At one time the SplitFires
did
> >do something for me.
>
> You do realize that the gains you saw would have been seen with a
new set
> of stock plugs as well.
>
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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 17:35:58 CST

David,

Sounds as if you've had bad experiences with Splitfires. Care to elaborate?

>You do realize that the gains you saw would have been seen with a new set
>of stock plugs as well.

______________________________________________________


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:03:40 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires

At 06:25 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
>Actually, no--not in this case. I took the stock plugs out at
>10Kmiles, when the car was still new and put in the SplitFires.

Dyno tests have shown they have absolutely no gains over new stock plugs.
I guess after spending 30.00 for 3 plugs, I'd see a performance improvement
as well to make myself feel better.

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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 19:05:25 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires

At 06:35 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
>David,
>
>Sounds as if you've had bad experiences with Splitfires. Care to elaborate?


Tried them in 4 different vehicles (I'm slow to learn!) only lasted 100
miles before they started to miss and break up in 1 of the vehicles, the
other 3 lasted much longer, but putting in stock plugs when the sh%t fires
went brought me back to the same power levels the sh%t fires did when they
were new.


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From: "Erik Veit" home.com>
Subject: Bed liner question
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 17:12:58 -0800

Hello,

This is my first post here on the small-list. I have been lurking over on
the 97 and newer list for my '00 Navigator for some time now.

Anyway, I just bought a '00 Ranger (stripped short-bed). I was going to buy
a drop-in liner from my local ford dealer for about $200. I asked for the
over-the-lip kind, but the guy told me that they don't like to sell that
kind because it rubs the paint off the rails of the bed. Also he did not
have that kind in stock. Is he blowing smoke up my skirt, trying to get me
to buy one of his in-stock under-the-lip kind? Or is he telling me the
truth? Is there another brand, perhaps, that does not cause this problem?

Thanks,
Erik

Erik Veit ------- Milpitas, CA ------- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.best.com/~zombie


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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 21:22:08 -0500
From: Mason Phillips <63nova psouth.net>
Subject: Re: Bed liner question

Get a sray on bedliner or a do it yourself roll on bed liner which is just as
good as spray.

Mason Phillips
84 Ranger 4X4(The Beast)

Erik Veit wrote:

> Hello,
>
> This is my first post here on the small-list. I have been lurking over on
> the 97 and newer list for my '00 Navigator for some time now.
>
> Anyway, I just bought a '00 Ranger (stripped short-bed). I was going to buy
> a drop-in liner from my local ford dealer for about $200. I asked for the
> over-the-lip kind, but the guy told me that they don't like to sell that
> kind because it rubs the paint off the rails of the bed. Also he did not
> have that kind in stock. Is he blowing smoke up my skirt, trying to get me
> to buy one of his in-stock under-the-lip kind? Or is he telling me the
> truth? Is there another brand, perhaps, that does not cause this problem?
>
> Thanks,
> Erik
>
> Erik Veit ------- Milpitas, CA ------- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.best.com/~zombie
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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:28:55 EST
Subject: Re: Bed liner question

i have my 1999 Ranger for just over six months and i prefer the under the
rail bedliner. I like the slight custom look of the metal bed rail caps and
you simply cannot install them with an over the rail bedliner. In addition
with an over the bed liner salt and stuff kicked up the side of the body
finds its way into the bed under the rail tops of the over the rail liner
and sits in the bed,,, im not sure how long you plan on keeping the truck but
im sure that in time it doesnt help the paint in the bed.
Painted liners are ok but they do little to prevent dents in the bed and to
me isnt as protective against scratching and all...

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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: Bed liner question
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 21:50:19 -0500

I had a 93 Ranger with over the rail type. It did indeed rubbed all the
paint off causing rust which I had to get repaired. My 99 has under the
rail type now.

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Erik Veit
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:13 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Bed liner question


Hello,

This is my first post here on the small-list. I have been lurking over on
the 97 and newer list for my '00 Navigator for some time now.

Anyway, I just bought a '00 Ranger (stripped short-bed). I was going to buy
a drop-in liner from my local ford dealer for about $200. I asked for the
over-the-lip kind, but the guy told me that they don't like to sell that
kind because it rubs the paint off the rails of the bed. Also he did not
have that kind in stock. Is he blowing smoke up my skirt, trying to get me
to buy one of his in-stock under-the-lip kind? Or is he telling me the
truth? Is there another brand, perhaps, that does not cause this problem?

Thanks,
Erik

Erik Veit ------- Milpitas, CA ------- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.best.com/~zombie

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From: "Keith Christensen" kendra.com>
Subject: Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injectio
Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2000 19:50:54 -0800

I took it back to the Ford dealer today, after having the "service writer"
guy drive it *while malfunctioning* last night on the way home from work.
He checked the MAP sensor and a whole slew of other items by
pulling/plugging hoses under the hood in about 5 minutes. (He also admitted
to owning an '87 B II with a stick, so this helped!)

Thanks to Tim, Randy, "Bad Brian", and all for the info given, that's the
best part of being here! I'll try my damnedest to pay back in kind when I
can ..

They DID find and fix it this time, traced it to an intermittently shorted
EGO sensor. It definitely runs better now, especially after I got it out on
the freeway and unfouled the plugs !

I'm curious though, and I'm also admitting to severe lack of knowledge on
most EFI and emissions controls stuff ( give me an old AFB Carter carb and a
PCV valve.. but then I've got lots of grey in my beard too).

The "indie" shop replaced the O2 sensor . The Ford shop replaced the EGO
sensor . I'm curious here; is this the SAME part, but just different
buzzwords?? (If it is, somebody's gonna get an earful)

Oh, yes, the cat/muffler/all pipes past the Y-pipe are getting replaced
tomorrow, going with 2.5 or 2.75" custom bend and a midsize hi-flow
muffler... all that was showing (and sounding) lots of split/broken seams,
pinholes turning into small craters, plus I "still" suspect the cat is
warping it's internal guts and causing restriction as this thing has always
been intermittently 'doggy' at mid-throttle after it warms up. (Just not as
SEVERELY bad as just now).



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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:02:43 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Update.. Re: My turn.. 88 B II with

At 10:50 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:

>The "indie" shop replaced the O2 sensor . The Ford shop replaced the EGO
>sensor . I'm curious here; is this the SAME part, but just different
>buzzwords?? (If it is, somebody's gonna get an earful)


same part. Oxygen sensor is an Exhaust Gas Oxygen sensor


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From: "mikah vosekuil" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires
Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 20:35:46 PST

it is possible to get a few extra hp's using splitfires for a few miles, but
soon the electrodes begin to erode away like a normal plug. both however do
not erode at the same time. once they are uneven the spark will jumb the
closest gap ONLY. for the rest of the time the plug is in your vehicle it
operates like a normal plug. but anyone hat pays $15 a plug will say they
got more hp's because the box said they would and because they payed that
much for them.

>From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
>Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>To: small-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: [small-list] Re: Plugs and wires
>Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 18:11:31 -0500
>
>At 05:59 PM 3/7/00, you wrote:
>>I don't run the SplitFires in any of my vehicles now but in an old
>>car, 91 Geo Metro LSI, 1.0L/3cyl, manual tranny. I used it for a
>>comuter car and it was great for that but lacked any power once on the
>>highway and in high gears. I put the SplitFires in it and it gave me
>>a boost in HP and a few extra miles per gallon (although gas milage
>>was not my concern as that car got 50mpg anyway). I ran that car with
>>those SplitFires for about 30Kmiles before I got rid of it and handed
>>it to my son who ran it for another 25Kmiles before he got into an
>>accident and totalled the car. I learned from that accident that
>>those small cars, while great commuter cars, are not car for me or
>>mine. My son was mangled in it and has a metal rod in his leg to this
>>day (that was five years ago). Anyway, At one time the SplitFires did
>>do something for me.
>
>You do realize that the gains you saw would have been seen with a new set
>of stock plugs as well.
>
>===========================================================
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>Packet: N5XMT KQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
>We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2000 23:41:21 -0500
From: "Theodore D. Mills" martnet.com>
Subject: Re: Bed liner question

He's telling the truth.
I have the paint rubbed off the sides of the bed on my 91 F-250 from the
over rail liner the p.o. had in it.
You can't really put a cap on an over rail liner. That's why the liner was
no longer in the bed when I bought the truck. (the p.o. gave me the bed
liner though.... anybody in the Phila. Pa area need an Allstar over rail
liner for 8' bed??)

The p.o. had a spray on coating in the bed and a cap on when I bought it.
I got a rubber bed mat for $65......

I prefer under rail liners....no paint rubs, can put cap on....


Ted

At 17:12 03/07/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello,
>
>This is my first post here on the small-list. I have been lurking over on
>the 97 and newer list for my '00 Navigator for some time now.
>
>Anyway, I just bought a '00 Ranger (stripped short-bed). I was going to buy
>a drop-in liner from my local ford dealer for about $200. I asked for the
>over-the-lip kind, but the guy told me that they don't like to sell that
>kind because it rubs the paint off the rails of the bed. Also he did not
>have that kind in stock. Is he blowing smoke up my skirt, trying to get me
>to buy one of his in-stock under-the-lip kind? Or is he telling me the
>truth? Is there another brand, perhaps, that does not cause this problem?
>
>Thanks,
>Erik
>
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>
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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 09:07:37 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Plugs and wires

At 11:35 PM 3/7/2000, you wrote:
>it is possible to get a few extra hp's using splitfires for a few miles,
>but soon the electrodes begin to erode away like a normal plug. both
>however do not erode at the same time. once they are uneven the spark
>will jumb the closest gap ONLY. for the rest of the time the plug is in
>your vehicle it operates like a normal plug. but anyone hat pays $15 a
>plug will say they got more hp's because the box said they would and
>because they payed that much for them.

There is a big misconception as well... Even if both the ground electrodes
are spaced exactly the same from the center electrode, you still only get
spark to ONE. Whichever gap has the least resistance, IE: swirl in the
chamber has a lower pressure over one electrode and not the other, is the
gap that will fire. You will *NEVER* get 2 sparks jumping to both ground
electrodes at the same time.
Their advertising is deceptive and the FTC has stepped in and basically
told Splitfire that if they fraudulently advertise, they will haul them
into court. They've already ruled against Slick50 for their fraudulent claims.

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From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
Subject: Re: Bed liner question
Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 07:54:06 -0800

I had a 92 Ranger with a drop-in bedliner and it rubbed the paint off of
some areas around the wheel wells. The rails were actually okay. Paint was
scratched a bit, but, didn't get removed. My 94 Ranger has a sprayed-in
liner by Line-X. If you go this route, this is the liner you want. This same
truck once had a Rhino Liner, that is, until I ripped it out by hand!
Supposed to be permanent and slow to fade... yeah, right. The Line-X,
however, looks very clean - almost like it came from the factory. Much more
durable material than the Rhino, and without the "cottage cheese" look. I'm
very happy with this Line-X liner. It also goes over the rails, so I don't
have to worry too much about them. It looks great, because the Line-X dealer
did an excellent job.

-----Original Message-----
From: Erik Veit [mailto:zombie67 home.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 5:13 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Bed liner question


Hello,

This is my first post here on the small-list. I have been lurking over on
the 97 and newer list for my '00 Navigator for some time now.

Anyway, I just bought a '00 Ranger (stripped short-bed). I was going to buy
a drop-in liner from my local ford dealer for about $200. I asked for the
over-the-lip kind, but the guy told me that they don't like to sell that
kind because it rubs the paint off the rails of the bed. Also he did not
have that kind in stock. Is he blowing smoke up my skirt, trying to get me
to buy one of his in-stock under-the-lip kind? Or is he telling me the
truth? Is there another brand, perhaps, that does not cause this problem?

Thanks,
Erik

Erik Veit ------- Milpitas, CA ------- http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.best.com/~zombie

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Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 21:56:32 -0500
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