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Received: with LISTAR (v0.128a; list small-list); Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:15:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 20:15:48 -0500 (EST) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server To: small-list digest users Reply-to: small-list  ford-trucks.com Subject: small-list Digest V2000 #22 Precedence: bulk ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts Small Chassis Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe small-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ small-list Digest Fri, 03 Mar 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 022 In This Issue: Re: [ Parts for Ranger/BII] Re: [My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injection on ful 2.3l forced induction Re: 2.3l forced induction Re: 2.3l forced induction Re: 2.3l forced induction Re: [Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injection on Re: [Re: TURBO 2.3] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: 3 Mar 00 20:27:03 EST From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [ Parts for Ranger/BII] "Bad Brian" > I need some parts bad and have much trouble finding them around here. > Anyone have these in good shaper or know where i can get them? > Tachometer must be in good shape. needle not faded bad or broken > Auto Trans. Dipstick tube What type of tach? I've got a Ranger cluster with a bad speedo that I use for guage testing but obviously it's not a V-8 tach.. I *might* have a FMX trans dipstick and tube running around but I'll have to look for it if you did use a FMX. Might want to post on the 'performance' list also if you havent already. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.webshoppe.net/users/briana/ Nice paint job! Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: 3 Mar 00 20:36:44 EST From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injection on ful "Keith Christensen" > This one's got me, an independent shop, and a Ford shop baffled. I agree with Carl on the possibility of the MAP being bad, the intake air temperature sensor could be flaking out as well, check all the grounds that were removed during the engine /trans work closely as well. Gotta run for tonight, but I'll explain in more detail tomorrow (Sat.) Tim Turner Custer Auto Repair Wilmington NC ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ From: "Will Brown" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 17:14:47 -0500 Subject: 2.3l forced induction At one point I looked for a forced induction kit for my '94 Ranger/Mazda 2.3l - I found it odd that you can buy forced induction kits seemingly out the wazoo for 5l and 7l engines, but below that, pickings are scarce to non-existent... what's the logic behind this? Seems like a 7l engine would be the last one needing a HP boost - while the 2.3l seems like a good candidate. I'm new to the truck scene here, and really don't spend much time researching things, but this particular scenario seemed plain odd to me. Comments appreciated. \/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 17:34:12 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: 2.3l forced induction At 05:14 PM 3/4/00 -0500, you wrote: >At one point I looked for a forced induction kit for my '94 >Ranger/Mazda 2.3l - I found it odd that you can buy forced >induction kits seemingly out the wazoo for 5l and 7l engines, but >below that, pickings are scarce to non-existent... what's the logic >behind this? Because people who want horse power start off with better candidate engines. There's no replacement for displacement. :-) Ken ------------------------------ From: "Will Brown" Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2000 18:07:17 -0500 Subject: Re: 2.3l forced induction On 4 Mar 00, at 17:34, Ken Payne wrote: > Because people who want horse power start off with better > candidate engines. There's no replacement for displacement. granted - but as many folks as you see passing through these parts looking for more oompf from their 2.3l, you'd think at least one kit would be available... \/\/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2000 18:39:15 -0500 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: 2.3l forced induction Will Brown wrote: > > On 4 Mar 00, at 17:34, Ken Payne wrote: > > > Because people who want horse power start off with better > > candidate engines. There's no replacement for displacement. > > granted - but as many folks as you see passing through these > parts looking for more oompf from their 2.3l, you'd think at least > one kit would be available... > Well, it was factory "turboed" in many applications. Can prob get the parts pretty cheap from a late 80's turbo coupe. OX ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 00 19:05:01 EST From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [Re: My turn.. 88 B II with intermittent injection on "Bad Brian" > I had the same problem in my bronco II with the 2.9L engine. I found that > if you crank the truck, turn the key to off then back to on before the > engine dies it stops doing it. That would sound like bad contacts in the ignition switch; going from off to on would make a better contact on the slider than from the spring back position from start. I know I was surprised at all the little electrical gremlins that went away when I replaced mine... Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: 4 Mar 00 19:47:02 EST From: Tim Turner Subject: Re: [Re: TURBO 2.3] "mikah vosekuil" > i really like the 2.3 i had in my other truck. i've owned other vehicles > with this engine and never had a complaint on any of them. Agreed. a tough little bugger. As I recall there's a racing boat class devoted to it. > fuel injected. i know a lot of people disagree, but i say carburetors > belong on lawnmowers. I'm sure the thousands of small aircraft running around with carbureted engines might disagree! Of course the lawnmower carb is much less sophisticated than an automotive one... > yes carbureted vehicles perform but i just plain > don't like them. I've seen (young) technicians that knew FI diagnosis fairly well but didn't know the basics when it came to drivability problems with a carb.. struck me as odd the first time but I guess it means there'll be a place for older (?!) tech's like me that grew up with 'em. I guess it boils down to whether you prefer a mechanical device that does an adequate job of supplying the proper A/F mixture and is easy to troubleshoot being one unit or electro-mechanical devices that do a superb job (when right) that rely on multiple sensors and can be a bitch to troubleshoot at times. In addition (stock) EFI sytems are trying to maintain the ideal A/F ratio for the emission systems & converter to work (14.8 or so) while the ideal A/F for power is slightly richer... (12.5-13?) Looking under the hood of a NASCAR vehicle I see a Holley Dominator rather than a pro-jection unit.. if it's good enough for Jarret, Martin etc. a carb is OK by me. With that said I'll still admit to prefering FI for it's better job of fuel management but due to cost of repairs and 'tunability' the only vehicle out of 4 we have in the stable only ONE has FI and of course it's Kim's not mine. (One of many secrets to a good relationship.. make sure she has the nicest/newest vehicle. > > > >From: Tim Curran > >Reply-To: small-list ford-trucks.com> >To: small-list ford-trucks.com> >Subject: [small-list] Re: TURBO 2.3 > >Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 23:05:33 +0000 > > > >I've noticed that people tend to always want to lean toward higher > >displacement engines to No substitute for inches.. :-0 > >achieve more horse power then the vehicle they're dropping the engine in > >can handle. Isn't that what swaps are all about? Push the envelope.. 428 CJ Rangers are out there. (Whoo...) Some people like pure straight line acceleration and don't care about deceleration or cornering. > >The 2.3 > >seems to be the dominator when it come to domestic 4 cylinder racing No disagreement from me. > >With all the odds and ends added in the total would probably be in the > >neighborhood of > >$2000.00.... for that cost you'll be pumping out around 130 HP, that's more > >than enough for a > >street Ranger, plus you'll have the advantage of the lighter 4 cylinder for > >better cornering > >and braking.... *IF* you had the 4 cyl. as OE and didn't upgrade the springs/ brakes to V-6 specs. Regardless it's a truck and the F/R weight balance is crap anyway so handling isn't the primary concern. We should also talk about reliabilty Vs. power level as well.. a slightly modified 130 Hp 2.8 would be under less stress than the highly modified 130 HP 2.3 and should (in theory) out last the 2.3 > >to integrate all > >the computer and wire looms for the fuel injection..... I know I don't have > >that much hair > >left on my head. I've got a full head of hair and 15 years of professional wrenching.. I wouldnt do it without a full wiring harness from the donor vehicle. (And ONLY as a project.. certainly not in a 'professional' catagory.) > > > Personally, I dislike the 2.3 (turbo or not). Not trying to start a > >love/hate > > > thread, So much for intentions! > > just my feeling. Why not go for a 3.8 turbo? Build what ya got is my feeling.. super/turbo, cam, etc. etc. It'd be a lot easier without the smog nazis looking over our shoulder though. :-( Tim ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ End of small-list Digest V2000 #22 ********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts Small Chassic Truck Mailing List Covering the Ranger, Bronco II, Exploer and Aerostar Send posts to small-list ford-trucks.comIf you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, send an email to: listar ford-trucks.comwith the words "unsubscribe small-list" in the subject of the message. Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com ---------------------------------------------------------- .... 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