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small-list Digest Wed, 09 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 002

In This Issue:
Sagging Rear Leafs
Re: Sagging Rear Leafs
Re: Avoid Explorerexpress
Re: Avoid Explorerexpress
Re: Avoid Explorerexpress
Re: Sagging Rear Leafs
Re: Sagging Rear Leafs
83 Ranger problem
Buzzing noise
Re: [fuel gauge accuracy?]
Re: Buzzing noise
Re: [Re: My little B-II]
Re: [Re: Sagging Rear Leafs]
Re: [83 Ranger problem]
Re: [83 Ranger problem]
Re: [fuel gauge accuracy?]
Cats and Exhaust systems
Body Lift

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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 02:34:18 -0500
From: J Cope <88biixlt fncool.com>
Subject: Sagging Rear Leafs

The rear leaf springs on my '88 BII are sagging pretty bad. What is the
best way to fix this problem? I'm open to any suggestions or ideas.
Thanks!

JC
'88 BII XLT
10k tow hooks
40ch CB
K&N
Light bar
Headlight Stone Guards
30x9.5 BFG A/T TA KOs
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Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 23:44:49 -0800
From: "Jon,Jody" direct.ca>
Subject: Re: Sagging Rear Leafs



J Cope wrote:

> The rear leaf springs on my '88 BII are sagging pretty bad. What is the
> best way to fix this problem? I'm open to any suggestions or ideas.
> Thanks!
>

You could go to a local wrecking yard and get springs from just about any
Ranger or BII. The spring rate may be a little bit different (not too
drastic), but if you get them from a fairly recent vehicle, they'll have
plenty of spring left in them.

Blue coyote
'84 BII with '96 Ranger leafs


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 09:02:27 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Avoid Explorerexpress

At 09:43 PM 2/8/2000 -0800, you wrote:
>Anyway you look at it, you're doing better than us 2.9 guys. I spent $488 for
>my JBA headers, and this was considered a fantastic deal!!


Ouch!
Doesn't FMS have headers for the 2.9?


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From: "Denver & Rose Sommers" desupernet.net>
Subject: Re: Avoid Explorerexpress
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 09:16:46 -0500

Thanks for the input David. I have their catalog too and had looked at them
for some running boards for a 97 explorer that I have. Guess I will have to
do some more looking.

Denver Sommers

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Subject: [small-list] Avoid Explorerexpress


> Hi All,
> Wanted to relate a bad experience I just about had with ExplorerExpress
for
> parts for my explorer.
> Had a catalog of theirs for a while, and wanted to order headers for my
5.0
> V8 explorer. Called and asked for another catalog to ensure I had the
> latest pricing. They sent me the same catalog I had, and assured me it
was
> current. This was 3 weeks ago. Called today after recieving the tax
check
> to order the headers (listed in their catalog as $329.95) and was told
"the
> price *JUST* went up to $439.95!!!!. I told them about the catalog, and
> explained that I was told the pricing was current and the lady said too
> bad...
> I then called Ford Motorsports to find another FMS dealer and was referred
> to Holcomb Motorsports in Lumberton, NC (800) 475-7223, and called and
> spoke with Kenny. Kenny looked up the headers and quoted me a price of
> $259.00 plus $4.50 shipping. I verified the part number and it was the
> same as ExplorerExpress had. SO... Avoid explorerexpress like the
> plague. They are a rip off!!!
> Later,
> Dave
>
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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 08:02:41 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Re: Avoid Explorerexpress

Not for the four wheel drive. :-(

Adam

David Cooley wrote:

> At 09:43 PM 2/8/2000 -0800, you wrote:
> >Anyway you look at it, you're doing better than us 2.9 guys. I spent $488 for
> >my JBA headers, and this was considered a fantastic deal!!
>
> Ouch!
> Doesn't FMS have headers for the 2.9?
>


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From: ROlson1039 aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 17:31:51 EST
Subject: Re: Sagging Rear Leafs

i go to a spring shop and get them rearced and add a leaf for half the price
of new ones.. works for me!!
Bob

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From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
Subject: Re: Sagging Rear Leafs
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:51:45 -0800

...or have some high-quality springs made up by somebody, like National
Spring Company (El Cajon, CA).

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Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 2:32 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Sagging Rear Leafs


i go to a spring shop and get them rearced and add a leaf for half the price

of new ones.. works for me!!
Bob
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From: "Joey Ramsey" hotmail.com>
Subject: 83 Ranger problem
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 15:07:15 PST

Hi,
I just finnished the rebuild on the engine and carb of my 83 ranger 2.3L.
The engine started cutting out on the way to get gas in fourth gear, on the
way back it was in every gear. When I pump the gas peadle it picks right
back up, goes for a bit, then dies again. Im asumming its gas for that
reason. The gas filter is brand new, I replaced it when I did the carb. Any
idea's, Im fresh out.
-Joe
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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Buzzing noise
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:48:53 -0500


Hi All,

My wife's 94 Explorer 4x4 with 48K on it just started making what sounds like a buzzing noise from the left front. It sounds as if there was something rubbing against the tire treads (kind of like the sound a card makes when running against the spokes of a child's bike ). I have checked and everything is clear there, nothing hitting or rubbing. The thing is that it doesn't always do it, but when it does, it stops when the truck stops and starts up again when the truck moves. I noticed that when it does this, you can make it stop by putting it in 4 wheel drive. My wife says it seems to her as if it starts doing it after making a sharp turn. Was just wondering if it could be a wheel bearing or hub.
Thanks...Ron


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Date: 9 Feb 00 20:18:57 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [fuel gauge accuracy?]

BubbaBlake aol.com wrote:

> According to the manual my 88 Bronco II has a 23 gallon fuel tank.

My 'Haynes' says 23 and I presume the owners manual does as well. (BTW Anyone
have an extra '85 B-II Ford owners manual they want to part with?)

> gone 160 miles and 9 gallons fills it.

For 17.8 MPG; sounds about right for city driving.


> similar scenario and it hit me that the tank is probably 23 and I'm wasting

> my time running to the gas station.

I kept filling up early too until I bought a five Gallon jug and strapped it
to the tire carrier and just kept driving... I forget exactly how many Miles
I went but thereafter I used 350 as the cut-off point for re-fueling unless
I'd been doing some off-road work.

> could someone verify that the 88 has in
> fact a 23 gallon tank.

Looking in various parts catalogs at work I saw no mention of any other size;
in general if the replacement is different from stock it'll be mentioned or
foot-noted. (Like the S-10 Chuggy; replacement is usually larger.) For what
it's worth JCW has a larger tank available (33?) but it's around $400
complete.

Tim
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Wilmington NC


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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:47:34 -0500
From: Phil Snider cdc.net>
Subject: Re: Buzzing noise

Just a thought....the mass air flow sensor can whine and buzz, etc. Mine sounded like a power steering pump whining and it was intermittent. Opened the hood when it was doing it and then it became obvious as to where the noise was coming from. If you can catch the noise with the hood open, unplug the connection at the MAF sensor and it SHOULD quit buzzing, whining, etc. Mine didn't, but it was still the culprit.

Phil


"Ron,Marge,Ted" wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My wife's 94 Explorer 4x4 with 48K on it just started making what sounds like a buzzing noise from the left front. It sounds as if there was something rubbing against the tire treads (kind of like the sound a card makes when running against the spokes of a child's bike ). I have checked and everything is clear there, nothing hitting or rubbing. The thing is that it doesn't always do it, but when it does, it stops when the truck stops and starts up again when the truck moves. I noticed that when it does this, you can make it stop by putting it in 4 wheel drive. My wife says it seems to her as if it starts doing it after making a sharp turn. Was just wondering if it could be a wheel bearing or hub.
> Thanks...Ron
>
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Date: 9 Feb 00 20:55:01 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: My little B-II]

Adam McLaughlin jps.net> wrote:

> Really bad!! Like some rubber is burning, or something. I don't smell the
> rotten egg smell, but this thing really, stinks!! Could I use this as reason
to
> get me a new one?

Very possibly..

>
> I had always heard that when these things start to go south, then they
smell
> really, really bad. PU!

Actually it'd be more correct to say that when a problem occurs that poisons
the cat the stink starts, but usually by the time the problem is remedied the
converter's roasted. (And just replacing the converter will result in another
failed converter in short order if the problem isn't corrected.)

>
> David Cooley wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > The problem you'll run into is that federal law states a Muffler/exhaust
> > shop cannot replace a converter, even with a factory original
replacement,
> > if the original is still functioning properly.

Not sure if it's Federal or just NC but technically pipe diameters have to be
OE, and follow factory options for number. (IE; if dual wasn't a factory
option then you can't have 'em even if you DO put a converter on each side.)


Shops are required to keep old cats for a period of time AFTER replacement (I
forget if it's 90 days or 6 Months) to prove to the EPA man it was needed if
he comes calling and numerous other blah blah regulations that probably aren't
followed as they should be. I'd suspect that with the age on your converter
and the mod's done to the engine you would be able to get the cat to fail on a
smog test and warrant it's replacement legally.


> > What you can do, is order a hi flo cat (random technologies has a very
good
> > line of those), remove the factory cat, then find a shop to install the
cat
> > in place of the missing one.
> >

Assuming you can't find a shop (or DIY'er/moonlighter) that would do it
anyway. Just for informational/educational purposes 'leaded' fuel kills
converters almost instantly and aviation fuel such as 100 LL (low lead)
contains lead. I certainly wouldn't suggest putting such fuel into your
vehicle but a few tankfulls would certainly have devastating effects on a
converters ability to do it's job were someone to do so. *NOTE* the O2 sensor
also hates lead so it would be toast as well after such abuse not to mention
all the other side effects of using a leaded fuel. Again.. this is for
theoretical discussion and not to be acted upon!.

Tim

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Date: 9 Feb 00 21:02:34 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: Sagging Rear Leafs]

Ray Scheidnes nacm.com> wrote:

> ...or have some high-quality springs made up by somebody, like National
> Spring Company (El Cajon, CA).

I think JC Whitney lists new leafs also; I've got the same problem and haven't
decided on new ones, 'add a leaf', lift block or a combination yet. Darn
daily drivers keep breaking down and keeping me from spending $$ on my TOYS!
;-)

Tim
Wilmington NC


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Date: 9 Feb 00 21:23:00 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [83 Ranger problem]

"Joey Ramsey" hotmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> I just finnished the rebuild on the engine and carb of my 83 ranger 2.3L.
> The engine started cutting out on the way to get gas in fourth gear, on the

> way back it was in every gear. When I pump the gas peadle it picks right
> back up, goes for a bit, then dies again. Im asumming its gas for that
> reason. The gas filter is brand new, I replaced it when I did the carb. Any

> idea's, Im fresh out.

I agree it sounds like too little fuel or too much air. If it's the 1 BBl
carburetor grab the body and see if it wiggles. It's not uncommon for the
screws attaching the throttle body to the main body to loosen and let air in.
(I always loc-tite HEAVILY this area on a rebuild). Could also be some errant
trash in the carb blocking a jet/power valve, bad fuel pump or possibly
vacuum lines got misrouted during the re-install? (Easy to do and can be a
nightmare to figure out on some vehicles.)

Since when you hit the gas it picks up it would seem that there's not enough
fuel (or too much air) as when you hit the gas the accelerator pump squirts
more fuel and overcomes the base problem for a moment. Just for kicks...
check the PCV valve; I've seen plastic ones lose their guts and create a large
vacuum leak

Tim

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From: "Joey Ramsey" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [83 Ranger problem]
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 18:42:26 PST

Hey,
Well, its not vacuum I have all the lines I need connected, and all the
ones I dont r plugged. I have never built a carb and have it not work or
come apart, but I have checked it anyhow. Im now pretty sure its my fuel
pump. Ive blown out the fuel lines anyhow just to make sure its not a clog.
-Thanx,
Joe



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From: BubbaBlake aol.com
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 22:44:35 EST
Subject: Re: [fuel gauge accuracy?]

thank you all for your input on this subject. it has cleared up some concerns
for me but mainly for my wife who drives it daily. thanks

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Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 20:45:38 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Cats and Exhaust systems

Hi Tim and Gang,

Well, the flowmaster is back up to the catalytic convertors. I had the shop test my original
cats, with the intention to buy a new set of the high flow variety from them. They called me
at work and told me that neither one of these cats were clogged, or plugged, or rotten.
Everything was good with them, therefore they would not replace them. Rats!

What's up with this ford? It has 167,000+ miles on it, and it refuses to die!! Still no
measureable oil consumption between oil changes. (As measured on the dipstick) Those are the
original cats, they are stamped with the oval and ford part number.

Anyway, so they seperated them, and welded the rear cat up to the inlet of the flowmaster 50,
and bolted the front cat up to the header pipe. It sounds much, much quiter now. With these
new JBA headers, the old 2.9 is much quieter than it ever was.

The power is there, which is nice. The low end torque is fantastic. Very cool! I really wish
that the eight head bolts didn't break off, though! That really sucked. SO far, the engine
mods stand at:

Flowmaster series 50
JBA Headers
ADS Super Injectors (15.9 lbs/hr)
45 psi regulator
MSD Ignition
MSD Super conductor wires
James Duff power chip
Timing at 12 btdc
Chevron "blue handle" gas
Synthetic Oil
A new fuel system, in tank to regulator, all replaced
A new EFI system, every sensor replaced, and most controls too.

There's more done to the motor, but I don't remember all of them right now...

Long live the 2.9!

Adam

Tim Turner wrote:

> Adam McLaughlin jps.net> wrote:
>
> > Really bad!! Like some rubber is burning, or something. I don't smell the
> > rotten egg smell, but this thing really, stinks!! Could I use this as reason
> to
> > get me a new one?
>
> Very possibly..
>


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Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 16:52:07 -0500
From: J Cope <88biixlt fncool.com>
Subject: Body Lift

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