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small-list Digest Thu, 24 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 016

In This Issue:
Re: [Re: [Disaster!]]
Re: [listar help file?]
Re: [listar help file?]
Re: size vs damage
rear sprins
Explorer Rear Cup Holder
Re: [Re: 97 Explorer Alignment]
Re: [Re: 97 Explorer Alignment]

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Date: 24 Feb 00 21:40:52 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: [Disaster!]]

trio tigroupchicago.com wrote:

> coverage for uninsured mortorists. However, this only covers INJURY. It
> will not cover any damage to the vehicle.

Nor does it cover hit and run since you can't PROVE the other party was
un-insured... I lost a nice cherry '71 BSA motorcycle to a Cadillac that way.
:-( (and a weather sensitive right leg with no recompense since the driver
was never found.)

Tim

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Date: 24 Feb 00 21:49:04 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [listar help file?]

"Tom Ewing" napanet.net> wrote:
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> I've been trying to follow the instructions regarding unsubscribing to the
Ford Truck Enthusiasts "small-list" by following the instructions giving by
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Try substituting "unsubscribe small-list" in the body. The list server was
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From: "Kenneth J. Nagy" IXTelecom.com>
Subject: Re: [listar help file?]
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2000 23:08:41 -0500

I have also been trying to unsubscribe, but with no luck. Ken Payne was
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> "Tom Ewing" napanet.net> wrote:
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> > I've been trying to follow the instructions regarding unsubscribing to
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> Ford Truck Enthusiasts "small-list" by following the instructions giving
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> see if it gets more enjoyable for you...
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> Tim
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Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 06:19:30 -0500
From: Dwight & Tina Varnes lancnews.infi.net>
Subject: Re: size vs damage

There is a whole lot to this besides just size.
First, you must remember that unlike passenger cars, trucks aren't
required to meet the same crash standards. Trucks are actually a pretty
poor choice for being in a wreck as aside from the size they don't have
extensive crumple zones designed into them, nor do many even have door
beams.
Cars by design will collapse around the passenger compartment to absorb
the impact. Usually turns them into junk, but if you're still alive who
cares, right?
Most all cars are made of tinfoil now anyway, but I've seen some pretty
horrific stuff and the people have still managed to limp away mostly
unscathed because of the design which absorbs the energy. My opinion
that trucks and SUVs fair as good as they do only because of their
weight and the fact they are often taller, thus the 'truck' tends to
stay above the impact moreso than the car. Crash both into a wall under
equal conditions though and you may find that the car does a better job
of protecting you from injury.

Dwight Varnes
90 2.3 4x2

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Date: 25 Feb 2000 05:44:51 -0800
From: Daniel Arnold altavista.com>
Subject: rear sprins

I have a 93 2wd ranger with the crappy plastic mono springs in the rear.
These springs are entirely inadequate and I need to replace them.
Can I switch the mono springs with a set of 3-leaf springs from another 93 Ranger
Has anyone made this swap and run into any problems?


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From: "Jerry and Cindy Duppong" msn.com>
Subject: Explorer Rear Cup Holder
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:10:34 -0800

Has anyone had to fix the rear cup holder (console-mounted) on a 97
Explorer XLT? Someone stepped on it when it was in the down position.
It would not close
properly for a while, then it fell off when someone stepped on it
again. It looks like the mechanism that allows the cup holder to
rotate uses two metal rods. The one at the top fits directly into
holes
in the sides of the cup holder's plastic frame. The lower metal rod
is held in place by two plastic mounts molded into the frame. It
looks
to me that this lower rod was held in the plastic mounts with metal
clips (that are now nowhere to be
found).

Ford will only sell the whole cup-holder assembly that fits
on the back of the console ($165). The local wrecking yard will only
sell the WHOLE console (not much cheaper).

I haven't been able to find anything that will work to hold the lower
rod in place. Any ideas?

Thanks - Jerry Duppong




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Date: 25 Feb 00 20:14:52 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: 97 Explorer Alignment]

David Cooley bellsouth.net> wrote:
> At 12:18 PM 2/21/2000 , you wrote:
> >I have a 97 Explorer. It has never been aligned. When I took it in, the
> >mechanic said I needed to buy a "Camber adjustment kit"

Actually caster/camber; they are controlled by the positioning of the ball
joint in the a-frame to achieve the desired angle change fore/aft (caster) or
side/side (camber).

> >before he could
> >adjust the camber. I called Autozone and some others and they have never
> >heard of it.

Some parts houses stock them (NAPA?) we usually get them from our local tire
warehouse though.

> >It only consists of 4 washers with round corners instead of
> >square corners.

That's more form than function; the actual difference is where the hole is
located in the collar. A 0 degree bushing will be in the center, but a 2
degree bushing will have the hole offset to the edge. There are also
'adjustable' bushings where the hole can be rotated to achieve the desired
change in both caster & camber.

> >Is this a dealer only part?

No, but might be hard to find elsewhere..

>
>
> That is definitely a dealer only item... A little over $100 for the
> kit.

OUCH! more like $12.00-18 apiece on the aftermarket. (but you need to know
WHICH bushing you want rather than an assortment.)

> installing it with an alignment (If the front end shop buys the kit)
> will run near $250.00

Ouch again! Labor time is .4-.7 per side above the cost of the alignment.
Admittedly though sometimes they're a snot to deal with... the 'expected'
change doesn't always happen. I can remember spending 4 hours (on overtime!)
trying to get the boss's daughters boyfriends parent's Bronco right one
Saturday afternoon.

Tim

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From: "Bobby Herring" earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: 97 Explorer Alignment]
Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 21:27:07 -0600

Are we talking about the same thing? I am the original poster.
He showed me the parts and I thought he was showing me the washers on each
end of the large bolt that holds the inboard end of the upper a-frame to the
frame.

I also have a 93 Ranger and when I took it, he told me something along the
lines of what you are talking about. A bushing that the ball joint mounts in
to move its placement in order to change caster/camber. I thought the way he
explained it to me, that the Explorer and Ranger were different because the
93 Ranger still has the I-beams and the Explorer is the later model with the
upper/lower a-frames, without the I-beams.

I am not questioning what you are saying, I am only trying to understand.
Thanks, Bob Herring

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From: small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Tim Turner
Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 7:15 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Re: 97 Explorer Alignment]


David Cooley bellsouth.net> wrote:
> At 12:18 PM 2/21/2000 , you wrote:
> >I have a 97 Explorer. It has never been aligned. When I took it in, the
> >mechanic said I needed to buy a "Camber adjustment kit"

Actually caster/camber; they are controlled by the positioning of the ball
joint in the a-frame to achieve the desired angle change fore/aft (caster)
or
side/side (camber).

> >before he could
> >adjust the camber. I called Autozone and some others and they have never
> >heard of it.

Some parts houses stock them (NAPA?) we usually get them from our local tire
warehouse though.

> >It only consists of 4 washers with round corners instead of
> >square corners.

That's more form than function; the actual difference is where the hole is
located in the collar. A 0 degree bushing will be in the center, but a 2
degree bushing will have the hole offset to the edge. There are also
'adjustable' bushings where the hole can be rotated to achieve the desired
change in both caster & camber.

> >Is this a dealer only part?

No, but might be hard to find elsewhere..

>
>
> That is definitely a dealer only item... A little over $100 for the
> kit.

OUCH! more like $12.00-18 apiece on the aftermarket. (but you need to know
WHICH bushing you want rather than an assortment.)

> installing it with an alignment (If the front end shop buys the kit)
> will run near $250.00

Ouch again! Labor time is .4-.7 per side above the cost of the alignment.
Admittedly though sometimes they're a snot to deal with... the 'expected'
change doesn't always happen. I can remember spending 4 hours (on
overtime!)
trying to get the boss's daughters boyfriends parent's Bronco right one
Saturday afternoon.

Tim


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