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small-list Digest Tue, 22 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 014

In This Issue:
Re: adam's accident
Windshield crack
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: Colors (Matching Paint)
Re: Windshield crack...
Re: Windshield crack...
Re: Marble Sounds ion 4.0
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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:08:44 +0000
From: Tim Curran gte.net>
Subject: Re: adam's accident

Can't say that I really agree with this statement, unless you're in pain more than 24 hrs, I've had plenty of race
related whiplash and I've found that a couple Tylenol and a good nights sleep go a long way, if anything was done usually it still creates pains longer than 24hrs, and even if damage was done and the pain goes away in 12 hrs alot of times doctors look at you like "what do you want me to do?", you'll just end up at a chiropractor years later anyway. In Adam's defense,
I'm sure he doesn't need a lecture (especially starting to the tune of "young man") on how any other car would
have held up, American or non.


>
>
> From: "Richard Salitra" earthlink.net>
> Subject: adam's accident
> Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:11:26 -0800
>
> Young man, you have whiplash. Get yourself to a competent doctor ASAP. By competent, I mean one who is familiar with dealing with soft tissue injuries. I guarantee that if you ignore the neck pains, they will persist for years. You need either physical therapy, or better yet, massage therapy, for a few months. Plus ALOT of stretching. Trust me, I've been where you are. Also, if you don't deal with it now your insurance company will balk later at covering the medical bills. Be advised - your youth is no guarantee that this will go away on its own.
>
> Also, your comment about "jap crap" is immature & racist. Any smaller american car would have ended up the same. It's a matter of physics, where do you think the bulk of the force from the accident will go - to the smaller object. A well made automobile is not dependent on geographic origin (the same goes for badly made cars), so let's move on from that subject.


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From: "David Goodwin" hotmail.com>
Subject: Windshield crack
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:16:20 PST

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On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Tom Watson said:

Oh, well...
It happened. I got a crack in my windshield.

My questions to the list are what makes windshields crack?


Number one cause of cracked windshields.....Driving through the state of
Missouri.

Crack and chip repair is a thriving business here.

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From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:00:18 -0800

I had a black 92 Ranger which I kept extremely clean. The paint was
immaculate. When parked next to a German car once (BMW or Mercedes, I can't
remember), I noticed that my Ranger's black paint looked brown. The black
paint seems to come in variations, depending on the manufacturer.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bad Brian [mailto:richat22 hotmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 9:00 AM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)


I have to disagree with this statement. I had my truck painted completely
black all around after someone keyed while I was at work one night. A
little less then 2 years later I had a fender maessed up in a minor
accident. Again solid black was used. In the sunlight the difference was
shocking. The rest of the truck looked brown next to the newly painted
black. And this truck stayed spotless. It was not ground in dirt, improper

care, etc.

Just my experiences.


> > Also fresh paint all around because
> > you can't really match black.
>
>Black is black. Unless it has metallic in it there is no 'matching'
>required, since it is the abscence of any color.
>What doesn't match with fresh black is the usual dirt, scratches and
>wear that black gets and shows oh-so-well in almost no time. If the body
>shop sold you on this idea of 'matching' you've been ripped off. A buff
>and wax of the old finish would have made the entire car whole in
>appearance.
>
>Dwight Varnes
>Auto damage appraiser

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From: Pat Brown sonic.net>
Subject: Re: Colors (Matching Paint)
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:41:15 -0800 (PST)

> > Depends on what you look at... If it is light, white is the combination of
> > all colors. darkness (Black) is the absence of any color. On an object,
> > the color we see is what is not absorbed by the object. therefore a black
> > object absorbs all colors and reflects none.
> >
> Ok now! What colors do you mix together to make white paint? And what colors
> to make black?

OK Guys, you're both right:-)

There are two types of color primaries, depending on the application.

First, additive. Primary colors are red, green, blue. Lack of any
RG or B is black, maximum of all three colors gives white. Between
black and white, by increasing all three colors equally you have gray
shades. Additive colors schemes are used by monitors, TVs, lighting
in general.

The second is subtractive. The primaries here are Cyan, Magenta, and
Yellow. This scheme comes into play where light is reflected off an
object, including color printers and cars. With a reflective scheme, it
is assumed the light source is pure white, and the various primaries
absorb light of that color. So, with no C,M or Y, the object is
white (all light reflected). Conversely, with maximum of all primaries,
no light is reflected, thus the object appears black.

Then there's fluorescent pigments, which convert UV light into
visible light, and in the process looking much 'brighter' than
ambient light would indcate . .

Back to lurking . .
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Pat Brown sonic.net>
Sebastopol, California-Where the rain has turned everything into gray shades

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 17:03:22 -0600 (CST)
Subject: Re: Windshield crack...
From: Sandman ghg.net>

On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Tom Watson wrote:

> Oh, well...
> It happened. I got a crack in my windshield. It started at the top of
> the windshield, and has made a dogleg to the right. I will get it
> replaced, but a question is who pays for this??
>

Thats why you go get it plugged up right after it starts. Its a lot
cheaper and you can barely notice it. I did that on mine 2 years ago when
a truck in front of me threw a rock up and hit my windshield. I first
wanted a new windshield, until I fould out the cost. Its a lot cheaper to
plug it right after it happens.

> Is it a defect in the windshield (it doesn't appear to be from a rock, as
> it started at the edge)?? Or is it something else??
>

A rock could have hit close to the edge, thats what happened to mine. If
I wouldn't have seen it happen, I wouldn't have known it was a rock that
did it.

> If it IS a defect in the windshield then (hopefully) it is covered by
> warrenty (I don't have 36k miles yet!!).
>

I wouldn't know about that, my truck is slightly out of warrenty(181K
miles)

> My questions to the list are what makes windshields crack??
>

Usually a rock that is throw up when you going down a road. I've got a
couple chips on my windshield and one crack from this. As long as you go
and get them filled right after it happens, then they won't give you any
problem.

> p.s. The rate of the cracks progress across the windshield is very
> interesting. Slow at times, and faster at others.

Thats why you get them filled in, then they will stop cracking. They
drill a hole at the end of the crack then fill the rest in with something
to where you can barely see the crack.


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From: Ray Scheidnes nacm.com>
Subject: Re: Windshield crack...
Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:11:58 -0800

I had my windshield replaced recently. I was hit by a rock or a Chevy part
(same thing, "like a rock," right?) which took a small chunk out of the
glass. I checked with my insurance (which you should do) and decided to
replace the windshield. I have a fairly low deductible, so that's all I
paid.
My understanding about windshields is that they are actually an integral
part of your vehicle's structure. Windshields actually contribute to the
strength/rigidity of the vehicle frame. As the vehicle structure twists
(eg, turning in or out of a driveway), there is a lot of pressure placed on
the windshield. If your glass is weakened by a crack, that crack grows from
the windshield moving with the frame. Temperature is also a factor. And,
when you drive at freeway speed, there is a constant wind pressure applied
to the glass.

-----Original Message-----
From: Sandman [mailto:sandmanx ghg.net]
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 3:03 PM
To: small-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: Windshield crack...


On Mon, 21 Feb 2000, Tom Watson wrote:

> Oh, well...
> It happened. I got a crack in my windshield. It started at the top of
> the windshield, and has made a dogleg to the right. I will get it
> replaced, but a question is who pays for this??
>

Thats why you go get it plugged up right after it starts. Its a lot
cheaper and you can barely notice it. I did that on mine 2 years ago when
a truck in front of me threw a rock up and hit my windshield. I first
wanted a new windshield, until I fould out the cost. Its a lot cheaper to
plug it right after it happens.

> Is it a defect in the windshield (it doesn't appear to be from a rock, as
> it started at the edge)?? Or is it something else??
>

A rock could have hit close to the edge, thats what happened to mine. If
I wouldn't have seen it happen, I wouldn't have known it was a rock that
did it.

> If it IS a defect in the windshield then (hopefully) it is covered by
> warrenty (I don't have 36k miles yet!!).
>

I wouldn't know about that, my truck is slightly out of warrenty(181K
miles)

> My questions to the list are what makes windshields crack??
>

Usually a rock that is throw up when you going down a road. I've got a
couple chips on my windshield and one crack from this. As long as you go
and get them filled right after it happens, then they won't give you any
problem.

> p.s. The rate of the cracks progress across the windshield is very
> interesting. Slow at times, and faster at others.

Thats why you get them filled in, then they will stop cracking. They
drill a hole at the end of the crack then fill the rest in with something
to where you can barely see the crack.

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Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:10:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Lynn Stucky engineer.com>
Subject: Re: Marble Sounds ion 4.0

I noticed this sound soon after I bought my 4.0 last August.
It sounded really bad compared to my previous 90 4.0 I took
it to my local Ford dealer and complained. They took it out
for a test drive and said it sounded normal to them. I
asked if I could test drive one off the lot. To my
surprise, it had that same marble, diesel sound just like
mine. I was told that they changed the two cats to run in
line instead of one off each bank. And that is what makes
the dinging pipe noise. At least I feel there is nothing
mechanically wrong with the engine.

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