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small-list Digest Sun, 20 Feb 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 012

In This Issue:
American
Disaster
Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: 2.8 V-6
Power Steering Pumps
Re: Power Steering Pumps
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
adam's accident
ADMIN: Pictorial updated
Re: 2.8 V-6
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
listar help file?
Re: Disaster!

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From: JaWise aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:39:35 EST
Subject: American

In a message dated 2/19/00 9:19:23 AM Central Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Remember folks, in corporate America there's no such thing as
obscene profits. >>

Blame wall street. Remember you gotta give all those shareholders dividends.
Companies are more worried about keeping stockholders happy then their
employees. Another couple million will raise those dividends another 3 cents
per share.

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From: JaWiseaol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 01:45:44 EST
Subject: Disaster

In a message dated 2/19/00 9:19:23 AM Central Standard Time,
listarford-trucks.com writes:

<< What's wrong with the state of california that allows uninsured
motorists to wreck into INSURED motorists, and then drive home? >>

Illinois has insurance laws yet it seems that if you get caught all you have
to do is get coverage after you are caught and they throw away the $500 fine.
Isn't that great.

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:58:14 -0500
From: Dwight & Tina Varnes lancnews.infi.net>
Subject: Matching paint (was litigious society)

> Also fresh paint all around because
> you can't really match black.

Black is black. Unless it has metallic in it there is no 'matching'
required, since it is the abscence of any color.
What doesn't match with fresh black is the usual dirt, scratches and
wear that black gets and shows oh-so-well in almost no time. If the body
shop sold you on this idea of 'matching' you've been ripped off. A buff
and wax of the old finish would have made the entire car whole in
appearance.

Dwight Varnes
Auto damage appraiser

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:10:38 -0500
From: Dwight & Tina Varnes lancnews.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 2.8 V-6

The 2.8 was the next generation of the German Ford V-6 which started
life as a 2.6 in the Capri (and for those who know their obscure Fords
the German Taunus). The 2.8 benefitted from a better cylinder head
design (ditched the 'siamesed' exhaust oulets) but lost some of the
sporty character of the 2.6, at least in the Capri. The 2.8 then
soldiered on as the engine of choice in the Mustang II and Capri II and
the occasional Pinto (automatic only) before finding use in the
Ranger/BII.
The Racer Walsh catalog will point out some of the failings of these
motors with fixes, such as too-weak valve springs and fiber timing gears
in some models. They can be built for more zip but the parts are not
inexpensive as it doesn't have the popularity of the V8s or 4cyls. Not a
bad engine but certainly no powerhouse. You have to remember that these
are pretty small displacement V6s, really not much bigger than most
domestic fours.
My 2.6 Capri would do big smoky burnouts with little trouble though :>)

Dwight Varnes
90 Ranger 2.3
Past residents of my driveway:
72 Capri 2.6
four 78-80 Ford Fiesta 1.6's
74 Pinto 2.0
65 F-100 352
65 Falcon inline 6
76 Fazda Courier 1.8

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 08:08:57 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Power Steering Pumps

I know that we have all heard this before, and are forced to live with,
noisy power steering pumps.

On my 1988 2.9 I have JBA headers, flowmaster muffler and an electric
fan. At idle and drive, my car is pretty darn quiet.... Except for the
whine of the power steering pump.

Is there some kind of additive that I can put into my power steering
pump fluid to make it quieter? Does anyone have any suggestions? Perhaps
a special kind of fluid?

Thanks,

Adam


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From: newsz-m.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 17:38:34 +0000
Subject: Re: Power Steering Pumps

Hi Adam ...

try http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mathy.de/ ... english speaken 2

my friend use it as normal oil .. and i now going to use it as motor-,
gear-, stearing- and rear axle oil aditiv
it sounds good and all people i know using it are speak good for it..

At 16:08 20.02.2000 , Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>Is there some kind of additive that I can put into my power steering
>pump fluid to make it quieter? Does anyone have any suggestions? Perhaps
>a special kind of fluid?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Adam


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From: "Bad Brian" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:00:00 PST

I have to disagree with this statement. I had my truck painted completely
black all around after someone keyed while I was at work one night. A
little less then 2 years later I had a fender maessed up in a minor
accident. Again solid black was used. In the sunlight the difference was
shocking. The rest of the truck looked brown next to the newly painted
black. And this truck stayed spotless. It was not ground in dirt, improper
care, etc.

Just my experiences.


> > Also fresh paint all around because
> > you can't really match black.
>
>Black is black. Unless it has metallic in it there is no 'matching'
>required, since it is the abscence of any color.
>What doesn't match with fresh black is the usual dirt, scratches and
>wear that black gets and shows oh-so-well in almost no time. If the body
>shop sold you on this idea of 'matching' you've been ripped off. A buff
>and wax of the old finish would have made the entire car whole in
>appearance.
>
>Dwight Varnes
>Auto damage appraiser

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:09:14 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)

At 08:58 AM 2/20/00 -0500, you wrote:
> > Also fresh paint all around because
> > you can't really match black.
>
>Black is black. Unless it has metallic in it there is no 'matching'
>required, since it is the abscence of any color.
>What doesn't match with fresh black is the usual dirt, scratches and
>wear that black gets and shows oh-so-well in almost no time. If the body
>shop sold you on this idea of 'matching' you've been ripped off. A buff
>and wax of the old finish would have made the entire car whole in
>appearance.


Well,
I hate to disagree, but I've had several black vehicles, and on one (not
the GN) I got a new hood for it. Took it down and had it painted black
with the code from the vehicle it was going on, and took it home and
installed it. Took the whole car down and had it "buffed and waxed" (at
the shop that did the hood) and it still did not match.
Technically, black is the absence of color, but in a paint, black is a
pigment. This hood had a purplish blue "sheen" to it that the rest of the
car didn't have even after the buff and wax.
As an adjuster, your job is to get it fixed for the least amount of money
out of the insurance companies pocket. If it's not perfect, it's not your
problem.


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From: "Richard Salitra" earthlink.net>
Subject: adam's accident
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 10:11:26 -0800


Young man, you have whiplash. Get yourself to a competent doctor ASAP. By competent, I mean one who is familiar with dealing with soft tissue injuries. I guarantee that if you ignore the neck pains, they will persist for years. You need either physical therapy, or better yet, massage therapy, for a few months. Plus ALOT of stretching. Trust me, I've been where you are. Also, if you don't deal with it now your insurance company will balk later at covering the medical bills. Be advised - your youth is no guarantee that this will go away on its own.

Also, your comment about "jap crap" is immature & racist. Any smaller american car would have ended up the same. It's a matter of physics, where do you think the bulk of the force from the accident will go - to the smaller object. A well made automobile is not dependent on geographic origin (the same goes for badly made cars), so let's move on from that subject.


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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:58:48 -0500
From: Ken Payne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial updated

The pictorial has been updated. Photos sent in from November
15th through Feb 15th have been added. If you didn't get an
email saying yours has been added, then it hasn't so please
don't email me about it as I'm been absolutely swamped with
work.

I just have to get away from computer as I've been working on
the web site, ftp and email for 3 and a half weeks and I just
can't take it anymore.

As it stands, 54 trucks have been added to pictorial. Enjoy!

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 2.8 V-6
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:00:29 CST

Do you know whether this 2.8 V-6 is related Dimensionally (bore, stroke,
etc.) to the V-4 which was formerly used in the Taunus and the Saab?


>The 2.8 was the next generation of the German Ford V-6 which started
>life as a 2.6 in the Capri (and for those who know their obscure Fords
>the German Taunus).
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From: "Jeffrey L. Jue" netdoor.com>
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:03:41 -0600

You are lucky that you actually had such a law. I believe that the State of
Mississippi just recently had legislation passed requiring insurance to
drive. If everyone actually followed this, then about 1/3-1/2 of the
population won't be driving, but that will never happen. Fortunately, in my
last accident, the guy who hit me while I was sitting at the light happened
to be a rich CPA who drove a BMW 7-series that although he had insurance, he
had no problem setting with me on the spot. Considering that he is a fairly
well-known CPA in the Jackson, MS area and since my sister had enough
accidents this year, I really couldn't afford for let insurance know about
this one, so I accepted to settle then and there. I wish that all accidents
could be this good, but I can only pray that a uninsured motorist doesn't
hit me.

Jeffrey L. Jue
mailto:lj4ra.msstate.edu
jlj1ece.msstate.edu
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.netdoor.com/~guardian


-----Original Message-----
From: "Mike Haight" home.com>
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 12:03:34 -0500

In Virginia you either have to have insurance or you pay the state
$400 each year and you can drive without insurance. That is why the
state requires insurance companies to give us Uninsured Motorists
coverage. My son was hit a few years back and still has a metal rod
in his leg from the accident. The guy that hit him had no insurance,
driving on a suspended license, was speeding (doing 55 in 45 zone) and
ran a red light to boot (hence my son getting hit in the intersection
when the guy ran the red light). The cop said that guy would be
locked up and the key thrown away! Yea, the day in court and this guy
has a lawyer that gets him off with a $300 fine and--get this--the
judge even give him a temp license to drive home the vehicle he drove
to court (still on a suspended license). Go figure!
Thank You.
Take Care and Have a Good Day.
CUL8R, Mike



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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:04:53 CST

Exactly. There doesn't seem to be any way to perfectly match new paint to
old so that the new paint will not be painfully obvious in a year or two.


>From: "Bad Brian" hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: small-listford-trucks.com
>To: small-listford-trucks.com
>Subject: [small-list] Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
>Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 09:00:00 PST
>
>I have to disagree with this statement. I had my truck painted completely
>black all around after someone keyed while I was at work one night. A

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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:08:23 CST

Amen!! The adjuster (when my Mustang was T-boned) had the nerve to tell me
that the unibody construction was so strong that it was rarely "bent" to the
point that it could not be repaired. My reply was, "And just how many
vehicles have you repaired?". No response.



>As an adjuster, your job is to get it fixed for the least amount of money
>out of the insurance companies pocket. If it's not perfect, it's not your
>problem.


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From: Desertroopaol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 14:16:43 EST
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]

UNSUBSCRIBE 61-79 LIST

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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 13:21:32 CST

Jeff, I'm afraid that the final draft of the law will not do exactly what is
promised. They rarely do. Even if it does, this still does not get your
vehicle repaired. Seeing the other person pay a fine does not help you.
However, Mississippi HAS had a financial responsibility law for many years
which can still be of help. If you sue the person responsible, obtain a
judgment, and enroll the judgment (assuming he/she has no insurance) and
send a copy of the judgment to the Department of Public Safety, the license
of the responsible party WILL be suspended and will REMAIN suspended until
the judgment is satisfied, or until YOU are financially satisfied (payment
plan for damages). Most Mississipians are not aware of this law, and for
some reason, law enforcement does not seem to be interested in advising the
innocent injured parties of its existance.

Also be aware that if someone hits you and they are at fault, you can file
criminal charges (failure to yield, etc.) yourself. Do not let the court
personnel tell you otherwise. I don't know what the policy is in Jackson
(thankfully haven't been involved in an accident there) but in many
municipalities on the Coast the police WILL NOT issue a citation unless they
witnessed the accident, or if a suspected DUI is involved. If necessary,
insist on speaking to the prosecutor. It may be the only way to make a
recovery.


>You are lucky that you actually had such a law. I believe that the State
>of
>Mississippi just recently had legislation passed requiring insurance to
>drive
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From: triotigroupchicago.com
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 16:56:42 -0600

Hmm... in Illinois it's completely different. You get hit by an un-insured
motorists, and the state will end up getting more out of them than you will.

Also, be careful with insuurance. I found out the hard way that certain
companies who will remain anonomous (Farmers) will tell you that you have
coverage for uninsured mortorists. However, this only covers INJURY. It
will not cover any damage to the vehicle.

Can you guess I dropped them real quick? Of course after myself and my
lawyer complianed loudly and got them to cover damages less my deductable.

Tony

-----Original Message-----
From: small-list-bounceford-trucks.com
[mailto:small-list-bounceford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of James Steele
Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2000 1:22 PM
To: small-listford-trucks.com
Subject: [small-list] Re: [Disaster!]


Jeff, I'm afraid that the final draft of the law will not do exactly what is
promised. They rarely do. Even if it does, this still does not get your
vehicle repaired. Seeing the other person pay a fine does not help you.
However, Mississippi HAS had a financial responsibility law for many years
which can still be of help. If you sue the person responsible, obtain a
judgment, and enroll the judgment (assuming he/she has no insurance) and
send a copy of the judgment to the Department of Public Safety, the license
of the responsible party WILL be suspended and will REMAIN suspended until
the judgment is satisfied, or until YOU are financially satisfied (payment
plan for damages). Most Mississipians are not aware of this law, and for
some reason, law enforcement does not seem to be interested in advising the
innocent injured parties of its existance.

Also be aware that if someone hits you and they are at fault, you can file
criminal charges (failure to yield, etc.) yourself. Do not let the court
personnel tell you otherwise. I don't know what the policy is in Jackson
(thankfully haven't been involved in an accident there) but in many
municipalities on the Coast the police WILL NOT issue a citation unless they
witnessed the accident, or if a suspected DUI is involved. If necessary,
insist on speaking to the prosecutor. It may be the only way to make a
recovery.


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From: Desertroopaol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 18:01:51 EST
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]

PLEASE DON'T SEND ME ANYMORE MAIL. THANKS

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From: OldTruxaol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:28:35 EST
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)

In a message dated 2/20/00 12:11:14 PM Central Standard Time,
n5xmtbellsouth.net writes:

> Technically, black is the absence of color
Actually, black is a mix of all colors. White is the absence of color. (At
least that's what Sister Mary Holywater told me!)

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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 20:18:33 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)

At 07:28 PM 2/20/00 -0500, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/20/00 12:11:14 PM Central Standard Time,
>n5xmtbellsouth.net writes:
>
> > Technically, black is the absence of color
>Actually, black is a mix of all colors. White is the absence of color. (At
>least that's what Sister Mary Holywater told me!)


Depends on what you look at... If it is light, white is the combination of
all colors. darkness (Black) is the absence of any color. On an object,
the color we see is what is not absorbed by the object. therefore a black
object absorbs all colors and reflects none.

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Packet: N5XMTKQ4LO.#INT.NC.USA.NA T.A.P.R. Member #7068
We are Borg... Prepare to be assimilated!
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From: OldTruxaol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 21:32:47 EST
Subject: Re: Matching paint (was litigious society)

In a message dated 2/20/00 7:20:36 PM Central Standard Time,
n5xmtbellsouth.net writes:

> Depends on what you look at... If it is light, white is the combination of
> all colors. darkness (Black) is the absence of any color. On an object,
> the color we see is what is not absorbed by the object. therefore a black
> object absorbs all colors and reflects none.
>
Sister Mary Holywater also said a little knowledge can be dangerous. Thanks
for setting me straight!

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From: "Tom Ewing" napanet.net>
Subject: listar help file?
Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2000 19:01:15 -0800


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Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 02:03:56 -0500
From: Steve Bozzone rockzone.com>
Subject: Re: Disaster!

Adam,

You could also argue that there should be a law that regulates bumper
height on trucks, just take her point of view.

Just a thought,
Steve (88 EB BII)

Adam McLaughlin wrote:
>
> I wonder how that would have been different had my car not been lifted.
> I am using a james duff 3" suspension lift on top of 31" BFG 31x10.50 x
> 5 tires and a 2" body lift.
>
> How come someone who doesn't have insurance can rear end me, and drive
> home? I think the policeman should take her car away. I thought that
> driving without insurance was against the law, but I guess not.
>
> Is anyone else screaming "What's going on here?"
>
> Adam
>
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