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In This Issue:
The guy with the 2 small questions.
Re: ethnic slurs
302 Heads
Re: Blivets?
AW: Re: Blivets?
Re: ethnic slurs
Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Re: Ranger rear-end
Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Slurs
Disaster!
The BII with the chattery start.
Re: [Leaving the business (Was Re: [Ford], service)]
Re: Disaster!
Re: [Re: ethnic slurs]
Ethnic slurs
Re: ethnic slurs
Re: [Disaster!]
Re: Starter motor
The litigousness of the american
Re: The litigousness of the american
Re: The litigousness of the american

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From: "Jack" email.com>
Subject: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:53:51 -0600

It isn't much, but I have a web page about my ranger. All are welcome to
visit, and share comments and such. I think I share the general feeling
that the love between a boy and his truck is such a beautiful
thang.....he,he,he,he.

Click Here: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.olemiss.edu/~ewhancoc/mytruck.htm



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From: QUICKER2SPEED aol.com
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 03:29:15 EST
Subject: Re: ethnic slurs

here, here, buy american!!!!!!!

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From: "Bad Brian" hotmail.com>
Subject: 302 Heads
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 04:48:51 PST

I was wondering if someone could tell me a little about the orgin of heads.
They are on the 302 in my Bronco II. WHat size valves, what vehicle did
they come in, etc.? The marking I have found on it are as follows.

302
A3B
31975 (stamped in a circle) date code??

Thanks for the help guys

Bad Brian
Southeastern Electronics
kf4obc
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://southeastern.webjump.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:18:13 -0500
From: David Cooley bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Blivets?

At 06:30 PM 2/17/2000 , you wrote:
>What is a blivet?


A 5 pound sack with 10 pounds of s%^t in it


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From: ThomasUcen premiereworld.de
Subject: AW: Re: Blivets?
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:27:34 +0100


I love that!!! I'm gonna call my boss a blivet from now on....

Tom
Munich, Germany
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>What is a blivet?


A 5 pound sack with 10 pounds of s%^t in it


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Subject: Re: ethnic slurs
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:59:24 -0500
From: "Billy Moore" mindspring.com>

>You can't buy American - many parts for "American" vehicles are
manufactured
>in mexico and canada ( and probably elswhere ) as well as many being built
>or assembled in these two countries.
>I've owned American makes built in canada. The ultra-rich auto execs will
>send as much work out of the country as possible to line their pockets,
they
>are the enemy!
>
>SPECTRE

I agree. I owned a 90 Mustang 5.0. The transmission had metric bolts. I
had a 92 Explorer. The transmission was made by Mazda(in Japan, I think),
the engine was made in Germany. Corporate execs are the enemy. It's not a
matter of market competitiveness. It's greed, pure & simple. The company I
work for has moved a lot of their US manufacturing to Mexico. We have
around a 20% profit margin. Most businesses in competitive retail markets
are happy with 5%. We could make plenty of money producing products here,
but there's more money to be made with overseas manufacturing. Do you think
that Ford would move all manufacturing back to the US if they could double
the price of their vehicles and keep the same # of sales? No, they
wouldn't. Manufacturing costs and retail price are unrelated. The only way
one affects the other is if the manufacturing costs are too high. That's
not the current case with the auto industry. Manufacturing costs of an
Excursion is probably little more than that of an Escort. I firmly believe
that if Ford (or anyone else, for that matter) had a magic box that could
spit out cars for $1 each, the retail price of their cars would not change
one bit. Remember folks, in corporate America there's no such thing as
obscene profits.

Billy Moore


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From: "Joe Merchak" eclipse.net>
Subject: Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:44:54 -0500

Were is the picture?

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It isn't much, but I have a web page about my ranger. All are welcome to
visit, and share comments and such. I think I share the general feeling
that the love between a boy and his truck is such a beautiful
thang.....he,he,he,he.

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From: "Jack" email.com>
Subject: Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 13:00:23 -0600

Joe,

Sorry about that. I'll have one up after the weekend when I can get to a
scanner.


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Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 12:44 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.


> Were is the picture?



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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:36:28 +0000
From: Tim Curran gte.net>
Subject: Re: Ranger rear-end

Thanks for the info everyone! Tom, thanks for the part#, that's exactly what I was looking for. As for the pricing, I was expecting to spend at least $250 - $300, it'd be well worth the cost because it seems every corner I take I end up slipping one of the tires, I had new tires put on about 2,000 miles ago and I've been lugging around two Ford small block 351W blocks for weight the last couple months (they don't break open like sand bags tend to do)......

Tim

>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "Tom Ewing" napanet.net>
> Subject: Re: [Ranger rear-end]
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 05:49:44 -0800
>
> Regarding the limited slip Trak-Lok Diff 7.5", the 99 Motosport Catalog
> lists it as part #M-4204-C75 $253.95. You will need to get a price from the
> 2000 catalog for a current price, or you can go to a seller of these
> parts--SummitRacing(the catalog outfit) sells a lot of this stuff if you
> have the part number. You can phone Summit at 1-800-230-3030.
> Good Luck
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 10:34:35 -0600
> From: Karl Hock pathbox.wustl.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Ranger rear-end]
>
> >Tim Curran gte.net> wrote:
> >> Quick question for the peanut gallery!
> >>
> >> Does anyone know if the '88 Ranger XLT 2.3's came equipted with a 7.5"
> >> rearend?
> >
> >I won't say it hasn't happened but as far as I know all Rangers and BIIs were
> >7.5s as original equipment.
> >
>
> Some 4L Rangers came with 8.8" rears. Although my Ford/Helm shop manual
> says all Rangers(at least '91s) have 7.5" rears, my '91 4L Ranger has a
> 8.8" rear(read from the tag on the diff).
>
> Karl
>
> ------------------------------
>
> From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Ranger rear-end
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:34:05 CST
>
> Tim,
> Hope you can find a used one. The 1999 SVO catalog lists
> PN M-4204-C75 (28T) for the 7.5 rear end $ 253.95!!
>
> ------------------------------


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From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The guy with the 2 small questions.
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:57:35 CST

Hey, Reb!

Just visited your web page. You are in a great area to find parts for
your truck. Some weekend grab the local paper and check the classifieds.
Then cruise the countryside for wrecking yards and "recycling yards".
There also used to be a little "shopper" publication, about the size of a
comic book, can't remember the name, but a lot of the convenience stores
will carry it. In it you'll find a lot of ads for trucks and parts from
people out in the country. While I was at Ole Miss ('81-83 and then '84-87)
I found many oddball parts and vehicles this way.


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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:53:16 -0800
From: scott ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Slurs

1) I don't believe anyone said anything about japanesse people.
I thought we were talking about japaneese cars.
2) I really don't care where it was built a t*yota is still a
japaneese car in my book.

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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 16:53:45 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: Disaster!

I just put on a new electric flex a lite fan on my 1988 Bronco II this
afternoon. I am removing the mechanical fan clutch and installing an
electric fan because the body lift moves the stock fan out of alignment
of the radiator. Thus making it work hotter than I would like.

As soon as I had done this, I drove down to the car wash to see how
water resistant the new fan's electronics would be. On my way down
there, disaster struck!

I was at a red light. There was one car ahead of me, and no one behind
me. As the light turned green, the car ahead of me hesitated, so I sat
there patiently waiting for them to go. As I did, I felt a sharp whap! I
initially thought that I had popped the clutch, until I realized that I
was slowly rolling forward. I stopped, and looked around.

From out of no-where, there was a green 1999 Honda Civic right behind
me, almost underneath me. There was plastic everywhere, green antifreeze
on the ground, light bulb shards, and a hood bent up almost in half. At
the wheel was a crying, pregnant nineteen year old girl.

We pulled into the gas station next to the intersection where we
surveyed the damage. Her Radiator was broken, lights shattered, hood
bent up in half and her bumper was back in the street. That's when she
told me that she had no insurance.

Nineteen years old, pregnant, 1999 Honda Civic, and no insurance.

So, I call the police, he comes and we file a report. While I was
waiting for him, I called my insurance company, and begin to file a
report there. Since I was waiting for a hit and run, I got her license,
make, model and the VIn number of her car.

I inspect the bronco. Her rear double bar bumper is fine, except for
some green paint. The black paint isn't even scratched off! There is a
line through my JBA Racing sticker and also through my MSD Ignition
sticker, but other than that she's alright. (Or so far as I can say)

I wonder how that would have been different had my car not been lifted.
I am using a james duff 3" suspension lift on top of 31" BFG 31x10.50 x
5 tires and a 2" body lift.

After teh accident, the policeman gave me my information and told me to
take off. I went down to the car wash and washed down teh radiator in my
car. On teh way back, I see her driving down the same road as I am, hood
steaming and sputtering.

How come someone can hit me, without insurance and drive home from it?

I am a 20 year old driver with three years experience, a flawless
record, good student discount, multiple car discount, professional
driving discount and california good driver discount. I pay $200 a month
for full coverage, less $500 deductable on my 1988 bronco. This is a
heck of a lot of money for someone like me who is so young. What exactly
am I paying for?

How come someone who doesn't have insurance can rear end me, and drive
home? I think the policeman should take her car away. I thought that
driving without insurance was against the law, but I guess not.

Why does this happen?

I was pleased that the bronco *appears* undamaged, apart from my stiff
neck. Her Jap car is truly messed up right now. Long live the ford
bronco! Her grill is gone, her radiator shot, no headlights and no
bumper.

This is more fuel to the fire of "jap crap".. Maybe I'm just really mad
and I have a headache and neckache.

What's wrong with the state of california that allows uninsured
motorists to wreck into INSURED motorists, and then drive home?

Is anyone else screaming "What's going on here?"

Adam



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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:07:49 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: The BII with the chattery start.

Well, I finally nailed down that chattery start problem that I had about
six/eight months ago. It turned out to be my IAC valve. With that
replaced, the engine idles at 850 to 900 RPM and it no longer acts like
it's "popping it's own clutch" ever time I get moving on a cold morning.

The on board diagnostics couldn't diagnose this. They gave me a 1 1.
Everything is good. There's no substitute for a good old fashioned tear
down and inspection.

Thanks for all of your help,

Adam


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Date: 18 Feb 00 23:05:01 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Leaving the business (Was Re: [Ford], service)]

Bill Ciocco yahoo.com> wrote:

> I left the business 15 years ago, after ten years in it (1977-87).

Or 2 years after I started 'professional' wrenching. ;-) I think it's been
about every 5 years or so that I've tried to get out. Hmmm.. this is my 15th
year, wonder if I'll try again.

> I agree with almost everything
> you said. And the part about the image and pay improving has been a hope
since I started.

Hasn't changed much yet.. pay is a little to a lot better depending on your
geographical location. (Not much better in SE NC that I've seen anyway!)

> I was
> NIASE/ASE certified and had a hard time earning $200 a week on the flat rate
. I worked on cars
> and heavy duty trucks.

Expired certifications in my case; I'm fortunate enough to be paid by regular
time rather than by job time so at least I know roughly how much I'll take
home per week rather than starving in the slow times.

> I have been satisfied
> about half the time. I try not to be too critical/anal, but I hate it when
"mechanics" leave out
> screws and bolts, just because they are hard to get at.

No doubt.. Once you 'finally' figured out the way to get 'em out you have the
way to get them back IN! They ARE there for a reason too; try leaving a
couple out of the accessory mounting plate for a 4.3 GM V-6 and see how long
it takes for the plate to crack... (6-9 months). Of course I can't lay claim
to being 'perfect' on that score either but I'd say the 'left over stuff
drawer' in my box would be more from parts that come with new bolts rather
than 'PITA' bolts. (And many that were replaced when missing/dropped into
strange places and later recovered.) Doing lots of Ford & Chrysler HVAC boxes
and other interior work I'll admit to having a nice assortment of small screws
that were honest left-overs though. (A combination of 'wish I knew where that
originally was' and stripped cheesy mounting holes/arrangements.. took me 2
weeks to finally get the 'right' plastic mounts for securing the door panel on
a LTD not too long ago.)

> If you (not all of you, but many)don't
> want to put them back, give them to me, I'll do it when I get some time -
or, if you like, I'll
> take five minutes and put it back right in front of you, so that you can see
how to do it.

Ouch! :-) I can picture the poor guy you say/do that to..

>
> At least the ones that leave a couple of screws out are basically honest. I
have worked with guys
> that oversell, slit hoses, replace good parts on purpose (because it pays),


I haven't seen AS much of that lately (ecept the oversell/price) as I'm picky
about where I'll work. Oddly enough just yesterday (Th.) one of the local
news stations aired an 'undercover' thing on 4 shops; crossed 2 wires on a '96
Jeep Cherokee to see what 4 different shops would do and reccommend seeing if
any/all would suggest the already done 60K service.

Shop 1: Dont know; suggested dealer. (!)

Shop 2: (My place of employment! Gulp! remembered it from a few days ago too
and the whole shop was watching with bated breath..) Diagnostic charge,
repaired at no further charge and a reccommendation 'for a service appropriate
to the vehicle mileage' (Fuel system; all other fluids etc. looked/tested good
and the throttle plate hade moderate coking.)

Shop 3: Diagnostic & no rec's.

Shop 4: Diag's and EXTENDED diag's (!) with no further rec's.

Strange story the girl told when she left the vehicle; "I loaned it to a
friend and when I got it back it ran rough and backfires once in a while".
That kind of mis-lead me.. when I saw the middle two cylinders dead I'm
thinking "Oh crap.. another abused loaner with a head gasket problem.. hate it
for the poor girl".. start to do a compression check and go to pull the wires
and go "huh? that aint right!" Plugs aren't new but recent so I don't suspect
the 'friend' was doing a favor by a free tune-up.. just scratched my head at
why someone would cross wires on a 'loaner' and finish my diagnostic checks.
I know a few shops I wish they HAD gone to though!!! Shop 1 was one, but
there are others that would have given them what they were looking for in the
area..

Just a quick tip for locating a mechanic/technician for the group; when you
see a tool truck (Snap-On, Matco, Mac, Etc.) follow them and bend their ear
for a few minutes. They know who buys what and if they know the 'appropriate'
use thereof.

> and lie to customers.

One of, if not THE biggest thing that chaps my umm.. lips. Tell the service
advisor it needs this and why and hear 'em on the phone with such a bizzare
tale of why it's needed rather than the true reason or such tenuous logic that
'Spock' would come down from Vulcan to rebut the reasoning. The old adage
"Doctors cover their mistakes with dirt and mechanics cover theirs with grease
comes to mind".. I'd change it to grease and BS. We're all human.. mistakes
*DO* happen.. Crow always tastes bad going down, but in the long run I prefer
it to not being able to sleep.

I suspect the shop owner where I am may go a little far in the other direction
though.. As examples, seized plug; re-tap at first visit, plug blows out
later and 'insert' installed 'on vehicle' at second visit with warnings (dont
remember if there was a charge or not), 2 weeks & plug melts and valve burns..
R&R head, send to machine shop and all seems OK, more warnings about it and
trying to save $$ rather than replacing/reworking (normal charge for Valve
job).. 2 weeks later the insert blows out AGAIN.. absolutely no threads left.
Junkyard head, new valve job etc. etc. and the shop only charged the owner for
the parts involved (NO labor, fluids etc.) Arguable either way if it was fair
to both parties or not, but with another head already having been suggested at
step 3... (next example) Transmission pulled and sent for overhaul; customer
has VERY intermittant problem never duplicated in our shop or the trans
builder's.. 1000 miles OUT of warranty it fails completely. Our (then)
rebuilder won't back it so we get a name brand re-man unit at NO charge to the
customer and eat the loss. (I support this one more than the first example;
blame lies on the rebuilder in my eyes.)


> Maybe that's why I only made $200 a week, I wasn willing to do those things.
Those "mechanics"
> were being paid (not earning) $400 or more.

This post is long enough already; I wont get into flat rate and commission
other than to say it rewards the short-cutters and not the thorough
technicians. Once in a while an 'observing' customer (I *hate* that) will ask
me how I'm paid; often after answering truthfully I keep seeing that person; I
presume they realize I have no incentive to 'short cut' since I'm paid the
same whether I 'beat the book' or do everything in my power to make sure it's
right and go over book time.

>
> I now do quite well, dress nice, and don't have tool bills. I hope you can
understand why people
> get out.

If my area didn't already have a glut of people doing PC repair, networking,
site designing, etc. I'd probably be out. (But there's a lot of hacks in
that profession now.. strange how they don't get questioned like we do..)
Hmm... your $2000 computer needs a $500 repair (25% of value) and it's "fix
it!"; vehicle needs $1000 repair (5% of value give or take) and I'm a
crook...

I get by (barely), dress nice after a looong shower for special occasions or a
(rare) night out and wince every Friday when I see what my check would be
without tool bills. I understand it all too well. I can't immediately
replace my income elsewhere without a few years at that job so I'm stuck where
I am and hoping that my friends in PC work keep having a back-log and using me
for the overflow to supplement my income.

>
> Bill

Glad it worked out well for you Bill!

Tim

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From: trio tigroupchicago.com
Subject: Re: Disaster!
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:20:16 -0600

I had someone do basically the same thing, only much, much worse. He
T-boned my F150. Totaled his Geo Metro, and did $5500 damage to my truck.
He had no insurance.

Exactly 1 month less than 3 years later, HE SUES ME!!!!!

Turns out he had a motorcycle accident a year before (while he was high on
methamphetimines (sp?)) and said that I pulled out in front of him and the
accident "aggravated" his previous injuries. He and his hack lawyer
insisted on going to trial.... AND MY INSURANCE COMPANY DECIDED TO
SETTLE!!!!

Can you believe that crap! They gave him $10,000.

I am only 25, but learned long ago that the hardest thing in the world is to
be an honest responsible person. If you can do that, you can do anything. I
am not religious, and doing what's right is a real pain, but I am a firm
believer that what goes around, comes around... both good and bad.

Maybe by being 19 and pregnant with not enough to meet bills (which is kinda
obvious from lack of insurance), maybe she's already beginning to learn a
lesson.

Just a thought...

Tony

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[mailto:small-list-bounce ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Adam McLaughlin
Sent: Friday, February 18, 2000 6:54 PM
To: small list
Subject: [small-list] Disaster!


I just put on a new electric flex a lite fan on my 1988 Bronco II this
afternoon. I am removing the mechanical fan clutch and installing an
electric fan because the body lift moves the stock fan out of alignment
of the radiator. Thus making it work hotter than I would like.

As soon as I had done this, I drove down to the car wash to see how
water resistant the new fan's electronics would be. On my way down
there, disaster struck!

I was at a red light. There was one car ahead of me, and no one behind
me. As the light turned green, the car ahead of me hesitated, so I sat
there patiently waiting for them to go. As I did, I felt a sharp whap! I
initially thought that I had popped the clutch, until I realized that I
was slowly rolling forward. I stopped, and looked around.

From out of no-where, there was a green 1999 Honda Civic right behind
me, almost underneath me. There was plastic everywhere, green antifreeze
on the ground, light bulb shards, and a hood bent up almost in half. At
the wheel was a crying, pregnant nineteen year old girl.

We pulled into the gas station next to the intersection where we
surveyed the damage. Her Radiator was broken, lights shattered, hood
bent up in half and her bumper was back in the street. That's when she
told me that she had no insurance.

Nineteen years old, pregnant, 1999 Honda Civic, and no insurance.

So, I call the police, he comes and we file a report. While I was
waiting for him, I called my insurance company, and begin to file a
report there. Since I was waiting for a hit and run, I got her license,
make, model and the VIn number of her car.

I inspect the bronco. Her rear double bar bumper is fine, except for
some green paint. The black paint isn't even scratched off! There is a
line through my JBA Racing sticker and also through my MSD Ignition
sticker, but other than that she's alright. (Or so far as I can say)

I wonder how that would have been different had my car not been lifted.
I am using a james duff 3" suspension lift on top of 31" BFG 31x10.50 x
5 tires and a 2" body lift.

After teh accident, the policeman gave me my information and told me to
take off. I went down to the car wash and washed down teh radiator in my
car. On teh way back, I see her driving down the same road as I am, hood
steaming and sputtering.

How come someone can hit me, without insurance and drive home from it?

I am a 20 year old driver with three years experience, a flawless
record, good student discount, multiple car discount, professional
driving discount and california good driver discount. I pay $200 a month
for full coverage, less $500 deductable on my 1988 bronco. This is a
heck of a lot of money for someone like me who is so young. What exactly
am I paying for?

How come someone who doesn't have insurance can rear end me, and drive
home? I think the policeman should take her car away. I thought that
driving without insurance was against the law, but I guess not.

Why does this happen?

I was pleased that the bronco *appears* undamaged, apart from my stiff
neck. Her Jap car is truly messed up right now. Long live the ford
bronco! Her grill is gone, her radiator shot, no headlights and no
bumper.

This is more fuel to the fire of "jap crap".. Maybe I'm just really mad
and I have a headache and neckache.

What's wrong with the state of california that allows uninsured
motorists to wreck into INSURED motorists, and then drive home?

Is anyone else screaming "What's going on here?"

Adam


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Date: 18 Feb 00 23:47:19 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: ethnic slurs]

James Oxley thecore.com> wrote:
> David Cooley wrote:
> >
> > At 06:59 AM 2/17/00 -0500, you wrote:
> >

> > >my vocabulary. I just call them Asian cars now.
> >
>
> What is the abbreviation for Japanese? According to websters, it's Jap.
> You could always use japanesque, which is "of japanese style". I don't
> see the problem with using it unless you are using it in a derogatory
> context.

I'll stay with Asian for now, but have to comment on the offensibilty of
non-white races. What's the deal? I'm English-American to the Pilgrims on
one side and Scotch-American 2 generations back on the other side. What am I?
European-American I guess. Do I call myself that? No. I'm proud of my
heritage on both sides and enjoy bagpipe music and British machinery but I'm
American born and (mostly) glad of it. My fiancee is of Italian origin and I
don't take offense to what the Italian cars are called.

I'll offend everyone..

Limey lemons
Frog mobiles
Swede S^#t
Kraut cars
Wop Wobblers
Jap crap
Korean wannabes
Mexican mules
Russian ruble drainers
Asinine Aussie Autos
Yank junk
Canadian cans
Yugoslavian Yunk

I've owned vehicles in most of these catagories and have enjoyed then all;
let's not let a nick-name become *too* much of a racial thing


Tim



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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 17:33:53 -0500
From: Paul cfw.com>
Subject: Ethnic slurs

While I agree that a Japan-person ? might be offended by the word "Jap",
it is not a true ethnic slur, anymore than "Yank" might offend someone
else. It is rather a abbreviation for Japanese, etc.

I asked a few Japs who I know socially, and they said the word didn't
offend them...they recommended that until a better abbreviation comes
along and, since "Jap" is not universally offensive, it should be used,
since they would consider it a dishonor to be offended by just a mere
word, as other groups are.

Just thought I'd pass it along, per their request.

Paul

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From: "Ron,Marge,Ted" sunlink.net>
Subject: Re: ethnic slurs
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:31:45 -0500


----- Original Message -----
From: mjb1962 hotmail.com>
To: ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2000 8:42 PM
Subject: [small-list] Re: ethnic slurs


> THE PARTS NEED TO BE MANUFACTURED HERE AND THE ENGINEERING NEEDS TO BE
DONE
> HERE TOO. TIRED IF LOSING MY JOB TO AN OVERSEAS FOREIGN COMPANY THAT
SELLS
> TO AMERICANS! WAKE UP AMERICA!
> I TRY TO BUY AMERICAN IF IT IS POSSIBLE.
>
I feel the same way. Even though a foreign car may be built here in the USA,
I'm sure the profits go back to the mother company in whatever country they
are from. I work for a company that supplies the building industry and it
rubs me the wrong way to see some upper management people in our company who
sell and make their livelihood here but ride around in a Honda. I feel if
you depend on Americans to buy your product then you should reciprocate and
also buy American products. Just my opinion!!

Ron


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Date: 19 Feb 00 00:48:02 EST
From: Tim Turner netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Disaster!]

Adam McLaughlin jps.net> wrote:

> As soon as I had done this, I drove down to the car wash to see how
> water resistant the new fan's electronics would be. On my way down
> there, disaster struck!
>
> I was at a red light. There was one car ahead of me, and no one behind
> me. As the light turned green, the car ahead of me hesitated, so I sat
> there patiently waiting for them to go. As I did, I felt a sharp whap! I
> initially thought that I had popped the clutch, until I realized that I
> was slowly rolling forward. I stopped, and looked around.

Stupid, stupid driver.. had somebody punt my '57 Ch*&^% truck into an
intersection that way.

>
> From out of no-where, there was a green 1999 Honda Civic right behind
> me, almost underneath me. There was plastic everywhere, green antifreeze
> on the ground, light bulb shards, and a hood bent up almost in half. At
> the wheel was a crying, pregnant nineteen year old girl.

Hate it for her.. seems she's made a few bad decisions in her short life.

>
> We pulled into the gas station next to the intersection where we
> surveyed the damage. Her Radiator was broken, lights shattered, hood
> bent up in half and her bumper was back in the street. That's when she
> told me that she had no insurance.

Was it registered in NC? If not the laws could be funky

>
> Nineteen years old, pregnant, 1999 Honda Civic, and no insurance.

Hmm.. one would think if you could afford a '99 insurance would be OK also.

>
> So, I call the police, he comes and we file a report. While I was
> waiting for him, I called my insurance company, and begin to file a
> report there. Since I was waiting for a hit and run, I got her license,
> make, model and the VIn number of her car.

Good for you! Amazing how many people dont get that information and are
stuck. :-(

> After teh accident, the policeman gave me my information and told me to
> take off. I went down to the car wash and washed down teh radiator in my
> car. On teh way back, I see her driving down the same road as I am, hood
> steaming and sputtering.

And ruining her engine..

>
> How come someone can hit me, without insurance and drive home from it?

Possibly from a state that doesn't reqire insurance?

>
> I am a 20 year old driver with three years experience, a flawless
> record, good student discount, multiple car discount, professional
> driving discount and california good driver discount. I pay $200 a month
> for full coverage, less $500 deductable on my 1988 bronco. This is a
> heck of a lot of money for someone like me who is so young. What exactly
> am I paying for?

Everyone else.. Good drivers subsidize the crappy ones and vice-versa.

>
> How come someone who doesn't have insurance can rear end me, and drive
> home? I think the policeman should take her car away. I thought that
> driving without insurance was against the law, but I guess not.

It depends upon the state; some require insurance and some don't. Regardless
it's not the policeman's responsibility to 'take' the vehicle; at most tell
her to not drive the vehicle and if she does it's her problem.. If insurance
isn't required there then there's nothing he could do.

> Why does this happen?

Karma?

> This is more fuel to the fire of "jap crap".. Maybe I'm just really mad
> and I have a headache and neckache.

Hope all becomes well there!

>
> What's wrong with the state of california that allows uninsured
> motorists to wreck into INSURED motorists, and then drive home?

Sadly many states dont actually require insurance.

>
> Is anyone else screaming "What's going on here?"

Yep.. Also why do I pay astronomical amounts for liability only with no
claims against me in 22 years because of some tickets/revocations? It's a
scam based on 'averages'. I need to explain more about it, but got to go so
I'll leave it to other learned people on the list to expound on actuarial
tables..

Tim




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From: "Travis Johnson" hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Starter motor
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 23:19:01 MST


James,
I live in Utah but I understand that my truck came from Texas before I
bought it last Febuary. My cables are a little corrided but I forgot to
mention that I cleaned the corrosion off the connetions on my satrter relay
last August and I haven't had the problem with no starter since.
>
>From: "James Steele" hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Starter motor
>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 18:52:18 CST
>
>Travis,
>
> Don't know where you live (climate), but here near the coast we have a
>great deal of problems with corrosion of the cables and terminals. Not
>just
>around the battery terminals and relays, but INSIDE the cables. I have had
>2 cable ends come off in my hand when I tried to clean the posts. (By the
>way, one of the vehicles (non-Ford) had been to 2 different dealerships on
>3
>different occasions without anyone discovering the source of the
>"intermittant electrical failure") If you can find ANY signs of corrosion
>where the cable ends connect, or if there are cracks in the insulation of
>the battery cables, try replacing them, preferably with a larger wire. I
>went to #0 welding cable; no more problems!
>
>
> >>you move the battery and starter cable around on the relay post
> >(don't ask
> >why, but it worked for me).
> >


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Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:16:29 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
Subject: The litigousness of the american

Hi Tony,

What a story. I would be extremely agravated that he sued you, and your company
decided to settle. That would... words escape me. Consider changing insurance
companies?

I am with USAA insurance under mom and dad's insurance plan.

The girl who hit me did sound familiar. I looked her up in an old high school
year book, and we went to school together back in high school. Oh great.

The thing that really troubled me, was that she was pregnant. I felt, and feel
guilty for calling the police on her. Her crying didn't exactly make me feel any
better. That and I knew her from way back when, her friends are the people whom
I bank with, etc. However,

I do think that if I didn't, then I would be up the creek for a lawsuit
regarding her baby or her personal injuries. Somehow, my been stopped at a red
light and her driving into the rear bumper of my car WHILE I WAS PERFECTLY STILL
would be seen as me somehow hurting her or her child. As you well know, and as I
may know pretty soon that the litigousness of Americans is astounding.

I don't know whats more pathetic, her situation and responsibility (Or lack
thereof) to her fellow drivers.

I have a headache and neckache that is screaming for more than the two excedrins
that I already took. I'm twenty years old. I shouldn't be having head and neck
pains. The only comfort that I have is the green honda blood that I see on the
rear bumper.

By the way, the rear bumper is a dual bar bumper, which isn't even scratched! No
kidding! The stickers are scratched, and there is a lot of shiny honda green
stuck on there, but other than that, she doesn't *look* damaged. I'll still want
to look under neath for a good inspection. Does anyone know if the bronco 2s
have shock absorbers on the rear bumpers?

Thanks,

Adam

trio tigroupchicago.com wrote:

> I had someone do basically the same thing, only much, much worse. He
> T-boned my F150. Totaled his Geo Metro, and did $5500 damage to my truck.
> He had no insurance.
>
> Exactly 1 month less than 3 years later, HE SUES ME!!!!!
>
> Turns out he had a motorcycle accident a year before (while he was high on
> methamphetimines (sp?)) and said that I pulled out in front of him and the
> accident "aggravated" his previous injuries. He and his hack lawyer
> insisted on going to trial.... AND MY INSURANCE COMPANY DECIDED TO
> SETTLE!!!!
>
> Can you believe that crap! They gave him $10,000.
>
> I am only 25, but learned long ago that the hardest thing in the world is to
> be an honest responsible person. If you can do that, you can do anything. I
> am not religious, and doing what's right is a real pain, but I am a firm
> believer that what goes around, comes around... both good and bad.
>
> Maybe by being 19 and pregnant with not enough to meet bills (which is kinda
> obvious from lack of insurance), maybe she's already beginning to learn a
> lesson.
>
> Just a thought...
>
> Tony
>


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From: "Dennis Thompson" bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: The litigousness of the american
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:38:51 -0600


----- Original Message -----
From: Adam McLaughlin jps.net>
To: ford-trucks.com>; tigroupchicago.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2000 12:16 AM
Subject: [small-list] The litigousness of the american

> Does anyone know if the bronco 2s
> have shock absorbers on the rear bumpers?

I know every part of my '84 intimately and it don't have bumper shocks.
What year's your's?

SPECTRE



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Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 07:13:57 -0800
From: Adam McLaughlin