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fordtrucks-digest Friday, September 5 1997 Volume 01 : Number 195



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In this issue:

Mail, mime? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
for RCollins [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Mail, mime? [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: Mail, mime? [John MacNamara ]
Re: Mail, mime? [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Batman & Brakes ["jstrigas" ]
MIME and Stuff? [Randy Collins ]
Re: Batman & Brakes ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: F150 with 460 ["George Shepherd" ]
Oil tank [Tom Hogan ]
Re: Oil tank ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Binary files and Mail ["jstrigas" ]
Re: Bleeding Brakes [Don Grossman ]
Attachments, my view.... ["Payne, Kenneth"
Re: Attachments, my view.... [Don Grossman ]
Still looking for VIN??? [John Gillespie ]
Re: Oil tank ["jstrigas" ]
Re: Batman & Brakes ["jstrigas" ]
F-350 Weak Brakes Update ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
various opinions [some good/some bad???] [Gweneth Niehaus
mime? attachments? can somebody flame me? [Kevin Kemmerer
Re: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback [dal llano.net]
Re: mime? attachments? can somebody flame me? ["jstrigas"

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:56:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Mail, mime?

Non of my mail (at least that I've seen) has any attachments but I
have "use mime features" turned on. Has anyone had a problem with my
mail?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:32:12 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: for RCollins

Posting to the group for all to read:

to Randy Collins:

Um, well yeah I was kinda bugged by the attachments. But I guess it may
have been out of line or at least impolite not to just politely ask you not
to use binary attachments as they're a nuisance. I got caught up in the
end-of-summer exasperation that seems to translate into "road rage" as they
say, even on the information superhighway. You do seem to be posting the
most attachments though, whether on purpose or quite possibly by accident.
So, sorry for getting mad at you and overreacting. Please, though, make
sure you're not sending binary attachments any more cause if you do and I'm
on autosave then I have to dig around and delete all those attachments later
from another directory, and that's a hassle.


Thanks!


marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:36:26 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Mail, mime?

>Non of my mail (at least that I've seen) has any attachments but I
>have "use mime features" turned on. Has anyone had a problem with my
>mail?
>

formerly yes, but not recently.

marko in vancouver
marko helix.net
71 f250 4x4

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:45:55 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Mail, mime?

marko maryniak wrote:
>
> >Non of my mail (at least that I've seen) has any attachments but I
> >have "use mime features" turned on. Has anyone had a problem with my
> >mail?
> >
>
> formerly yes, but not recently.
>
> marko in vancouver
> marko helix.net
> 71 f250 4x4
>
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Marko: No Marko, I have not seen this problem that you have referred
to.

John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 14:58:59 -0700
From: marko helix.net (marko maryniak)
Subject: Re: Mail, mime?

>Non of my mail (at least that I've seen) has any attachments but I
>have "use mime features" turned on. Has anyone had a problem with my
>mail?
>

Well, I hope I'm not getting senile, but I remember getting attachments form
Gary 78 BBB, but this was months ago, nothing in recent memory.

marko again

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:25:02 -0700
From: "jstrigas"
Subject: Batman & Brakes

Hey Gary, I would like for you to be Batman too, just for what you'd build
for the Batmobile! I miss the daze of cool cars. My favorite was the
Munstermobile!
The junkyard had 5 or 6 Lincoln's with disk rears. Anyone interested the
place was called U pick U save in Pamona California and they wanted $120 for
all parts. I need to get finished with a dozen or so projects before I can
do mine. I just tagged along with a friend that was looking for a
bel*housing for his Toyota pickup. Sorry I can never figure out where to put
*. while I was there I took a look to see what they had, after all, what you
can fit in your pockets is free. I think the perfect setup would be the
HD duel piston in front and the LC in the rear. Talking about stopping
power!
I'm thinking about making a power bleeder with all the talk about them
it doesn't sound to difficult and it would be nice for purging the old
fluid! Any suggestions on making one?
BTW Gary maybe your Bronco could use the HD calipers up front. I think I
remember you said you had the single piston.
Later!



Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:34:21 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: MIME and Stuff?

Fellow Ford Truck Owners,

I learned two things today.

1) What MIME is.

2) I don't like being flamed.

I am sorry if this binary attachment business has caused anyone grief. One
kind sole sent me a private e-mail explaining how to fix the problem. I
hope that the problem is taken care of.

The real problem is that I had now idea that I was causing a problem.
Since I am not on the digest I don't see the problem there and I rarely
receive any file attachments unless they are there for a reason.

If the attachment problem isn't resolved please let me know.

I guess folks deal with situations differently.

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:38:52 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Batman & Brakes

> From: "jstrigas"
> Subject: Batman & Brakes
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:25:02 -0700

> Hey Gary, I would like for you to be Batman too, just for what
> you'd build
> for the Batmobile! I miss the daze of cool cars. My favorite was the
> Munstermobile!
> The junkyard had 5 or 6 Lincoln's with disk rears. Anyone
> interested the

Do you have a phone number? I'm real interested at that price!
Maybe I could get them to ship it to me?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:50:56 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: F150 with 460

I'd love a aod for my 460. Let me know if ther is one arround.

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> From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Re: F150 with 460
> Date: Friday, September 05, 1997 3:34 PM
>
> They did come with 460's...they even came in F-100's!!!! I have seen 2
in
> local junk yards (both in New Jersey). Do you need any parts to do a
> conversion?? I can (if you want) find out if it is still there and find
out
> how much. I do have to know what you need (if you need anything to do a
> conversion). Hope to hear from you!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:55:32 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Oil tank

I saw an article in a magazine last night that had a great idea for a
tool to fill rear end oil or ATF. Basically they took a portable air
tank cut a hole in it and welded in a fitting, installed a pipe that
reached to the bottom of the tank an air fitting to pressurize it and a
valve to control it and voila they had a simple tool to fill rear ends
and auto trannies with. They had 2 one for 90 W and one for ATF. They
pressurized the ATF to 40 PSI and the 90W to 90 PSI. There was a hose
on the valve and when it was time to top off a differential they took
the tank under the car with them put the hose in the fill plug and
cracked open the valve. The air pressure pushed the oil into the
differential with no mess and no fuss.
I can't remember the name of the magazine but I thought I would pass on
a neat tip.

Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:11:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Oil tank

> From: Tom Hogan
> Subject: Oil tank
> Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 15:55:32 -0700

> a tool to fill rear end oil or ATF. Basically they took a portable
> air tank cut a hole in it and welded in a fitting, installed a pipe
> that reached to the bottom of the tank an air fitting to pressurize
> it and a valve to control it and voila they had a simple tool to

This is basically what I was thinking of doing to pressure bleed my
brakes. By pre-purging the tube and putting the tubing on the
bleeder it could be flushed back to the master cylinder and any
bubbles should be pushed ahead and on out the top. With a vented cap
made just for bleeding and a catch pail or bottle I should be able to
run a bunch of air free fluid through the system that way but I'd
have to have a sight gauge so I didn't run it out of fluid and pump
air back in I guess. I wonder if presurinzing the fluid this way
would force air bubbles into it? Maybe a hand pump would be a better
way to do it?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 16:15:28 -0700
From: "jstrigas"
Subject: Re: Binary files and Mail

>My sentiments exactly. I did just that. Hope it helps.
>
>Kevin


This is what I like about Ford owners, we have a sense of humor! Now do you
think a Chevy owner would have thought of posting this with a binary
attachment? Shoot, I wish I'd thought of it! Good one Kevin!

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 16:24:54 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Bleeding Brakes

Where can the check ball bleaders be found for sale?

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 19:34:51 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: Attachments, my view....

To some, binary attachments may seem like a minor problem. But as
admin of these lists, I have to deal with digests that bounce when
an 8-bit email attempts to go to a 7 bit mail service. This has
been happening a lot more lately. It gets to be a big headache.
I've even had some users who had their digests mysteriously cut off
at the binary insertion point, giving them half a digest.

Majordomo, our list software, doesn't filter out all binary attachments.

LOF wasn't perfect either. Even worse, is when binaries are in the
message as 7-bit quoted text... it make the digests large and very ugly.

Binaries get stuck in the middle of digests so unfortunately they don't
simply get saved to the hard drive for digest members, instead they
stick
out like a sore thumb.

My suggestions:
1. no color in email
2. no HMTL
3. no fonts other than standard
4. no bold, italic, etc.
5. all of the above for signatures too
6. turn off mime features
7. Try getting Eudora if your platform has it, after receiving
an email with an attachment you'll find the attachment in
an attachment directory. Send yourself email with your current
package, exit it and receive email with Eudora, you'll then know
if you have binary attachments. Fiddle with your software until
you get it sending without attachments.
8. If all else fails, contact your ISP or network administrator.

Unfortunately, at the same time the number of attachments has risen,
my free time has dropped. I've been putting in 12 hour days all week
and the only time I can admin the lists is between compiles. This
is the reason why the voting/survey forms and other improvements haven't

appeared on the web site.

Ken
- -Admin, aka "List Mom"

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:01:04 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Attachments, my view....

Payne, Kenneth wrote:

> Ken
> -Admin, aka "List Mom"

How about "List Dad"?

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 05 Sep 1997 17:25:30 -0700
From: John Gillespie
Subject: Still looking for VIN???

> From: Joe DeLaurentis
> Subject: still looking for VIN???
>
> I am still searching for my vin on my 68 f-100...Seing that my door
> was replaced and no vin plate..I would like to find the vin on the
> frame.Where should i look???I looked by the steering box and ny the fram
> on tjhe pass. side near the cab...What side of the frame???Side, Top, Or
> bottom???Or could
> it be under some crud on the frame??
>
> THANKS
> Joe

Joe just went thru looking for the VIN on the frame of my 66 F100. while
trying to register it here in San Diego. AS per DMV and with a lot of
elbow grease, scraper, and wire brush you will find it on the right front
frame member approx 6 inches forward of the motor mount. mine was
preceded and followed with stars (*).

Hope this helps.

John
66 F100 240 w/4spd

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 17:31:24 -0700
From: "jstrigas"
Subject: Re: Oil tank

>> a tool to fill rear end oil or ATF. Basically they took a portable
>> air tank cut a hole in it and welded in a fitting, installed a pipe
>> that reached to the bottom of the tank an air fitting to pressurize
>> it and a valve to control it and voila they had a simple tool to
>
>This is basically what I was thinking of doing to pressure bleed my
>brakes. By pre-purging the tube and putting the tubing on the
>bleeder it could be flushed back to the master cylinder and any
>bubbles should be pushed ahead and on out the top. With a vented cap
>made just for bleeding and a catch pail or bottle I should be able to
>run a bunch of air free fluid through the system that way but I'd
>have to have a sight gauge so I didn't run it out of fluid and pump
>air back in I guess. I wonder if pressurizing the fluid this way
>would force air bubbles into it? Maybe a hand pump would be a better
>way to do it?

I just so happen to have a small portable air compressor with a small tank
that I don't use any more, I've been wondering what to do with it. Thanks,
I'll check it out this weekend. First it will need a fill opening, There's a
local welder that's reasonably priced so I can get something welded on but
it will need to be air tight when capped and I would like it large enough to
clean it out (don't have money or room for multiple tanks) There's a petcock
on the bottom for purging that would be perfect for the hose. If the pump
was going I think it may cause air bubbles in the fluid but not if you
pressurized it then let it sit for a min. I need input, i.e. the type of
hose a nozzle an air tight cap setup for the fill hole and any thing you
think I may need for the conversion. I will post the progress so others can
build one too!
You know, done right it could also be used as a high pressure cleaner !
God Tom, I love you! (in a manly football season sort of way) Thanks for the
tip!



Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:05:13 -0700
From: "jstrigas"
Subject: Re: Batman & Brakes

Sorry Bro but it's a pick a part kind of place. You need to pull the parts
yourself. They take the part off you hosed, case in point, my friends
bellhousing was $15 but we couldn't find one on a car or truck because we
needed a post '85 everything they had in the yard was pre '85 however there
was one already removed in a cage up front, filled with parts that customers
had removed,they charged him $45 for it! CS if you ask me!
anyway here's the information;
U pick-U-save self-serv auto dismantling
1560 E. Mission Bl. Pamona (909) 623-6108
Confirm the price and if you can't match the price where you are let me know
and we'll work something out!



Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:38:35 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: F-350 Weak Brakes Update

Thanks to all who posted their opinions and experiences, both were helpful.
Vacuum at the booster checked o.k.
Didn't try Ken's idea but it may come down to that.

I did find that the left rear drum was full of grease and the self-adjuster
isn't working. Also found that the star wheel on the adjuster wasn't lined
up with the adjustment slot in the backing plate. Either it was put in
backwards or the wrong parts were used during the last brake job. I think
that the combination of greased shoes and lack of self-adjustment is
causing most of the problem, I'll know more next week. Anyway it's going
into the shop this weekend. Needed to have the caliper brackets replaced
anyway, they are so worn that the caliper retainers keep falling out then
the caliper drops down and rides on the disc, a very noisy problem. This
workhorse has 265,000 very hard miles on it. I guess we'll have to retire
it someday, just not quite yet.

I was suprised by the number of posts from people with the same type of
problem. Guess there are alot of people running around with bad brakes.
Kind of makes ya nervous doesn't it?

later
dale c.

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:47:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gweneth Niehaus
Subject: various opinions [some good/some bad???]

Generally, I just sit back and listen to the chatter. Now, I find myself
with a whole mouthful, so I'm just going to spit it out....
1. The separate lists sound great to me as I am reading a whole bunch of
stuff I really don't care to read.
2. Looking through the archives is made difficult by those persons who
designate their "subject" as fordtrucks-digestV1#140. This forces me to
read all these submissions instead of just scanning for the subject I'm
looking for. C'mon guys, type in a subject.
3. Where are you? I really like to know who's who and where they are
located. If you have a "free" truck in SoCal, it don't mean much to a
fellow in Georgia. Also, a lot of Q and A's mean different things in
different parts of the country. If you are concerned about anonymity, the
age of electronics will make you public.
4. Someone said they were having brake problems on an F350. I've had
several F250's and 350's with poor brakes. Quite often, the problem is dirt
in the brake lines. Two times the rear wheel cylinders were packed SOLID
with dirt and the lines were packed with dirt. It took a lot of flushing to
get the lines to run clear!

Well I'm done! Now I'll just sit back and observe for a month or two.

Dave Niehaus
Baldwin, IL

63 Econoline PU
79 F350

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 21:44:46 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: mime? attachments? can somebody flame me?

was wondering if my mail is received as an attatchment. does having MIME
turned on do this or not? i turned it off weeks ago because i thought i
might be sending mail in an unacceptable manner. what excatly is the
disadvantage/advantage of using MIME. hope none of my postings have come
through wrong. i very rarely receive any postings as attachments, and my
own never appear that way if i open them. just wondering . . . . . .

sleddog

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 22:16:02 +0000
From: dal llano.net
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback

Ken,
I would be interested in a 59/60 and older list because I run a '46
and most of my interests are in flatheads and restoration problems not
351/402/460 or C4/C6 issues. That's just my own interest area. I
suspect that I am in a decided minority since most of the posting seem
to be in the 60's -70's range. A separate list would reduce the amount
of scanning and deleting I do each day. But, I also suspect I might
end up subscribing to both (or all) anyway just to see what folks are
talking about and for any worthwhile info I could apply. That said, my
first choice would be for a list for us old guys with old trucks (you
young guys can look over our shoulders).
Don Lewis
1946 Ford 1/2 ton

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Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 20:27:51 -0700
From: "jstrigas"
Subject: Re: mime? attachments? can somebody flame me?

No, you don't have an attachment. The post I replied to did. I thought
it was a joke because it had a different attachment to it. It was
winmail.dat.
Flames aren't appreciated as much as binary attachments, these weren't
flames. You recognize you have flamed someone when you get e-mail from Mom!
(: Who said Ken was to nice a guy to get mad!
A flame is more when someone is within the rules and someone blast them
over an opinion! That's my job. "The Torch, I live to Flame"! I wouldn't
need to do it if Ken would write more often. I do it for attention! ;]
It was another Kevin I replied to! Your cool Bro!



Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net

'73 F100
'83 XJ900RK
'86 GL1200 Custom

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Kemmerer
To: fordtrucks listservice.net
Date: Friday, September 05, 1997 6:54 PM
Subject: mime? attachments? can somebody flame me?....


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