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fordtrucks-digest Monday, September 1 1997 Volume 01 : Number 181



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In this issue:

Re: two lists ["Deacon Blue" ]
Re: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback ["Jerry Dean"
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #180 [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #173 [Ctrucknut aol.com]
Hood ornament on 61 F100 [Bill Adams ]
Electrolisis derusting process [Bill Adams ]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process [STATX5 aol.com]
Re: two lists [Ken Payne ]
Re: Hood ornament on 61 F100 [Ctrucknut aol.com]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process ["George Shepherd"
Re: F-350 Brakes [Kelly Farough ]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process ["Deacon Blue"
Re: two lists [Dan Wentz ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #177 [David Neumayer ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #180 [Don Grossman ]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process [bbprice ]
List breakdown. [Don Grossman ]
Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist. [danadeb pacbell.net]
400 cid ["Kevin" ]
Re: Yes to 3 lists: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback [JRFiero a]
Re: Which Welder?? [Bob LaDouceur ]

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 04:32:04 -0700
From: "Deacon Blue"
Subject: Re: two lists

Wow!
>While I don't think I have posted before, I do have an opinion on whether
one
>list or two. I have a 1948 F-1, a 1950 F-1; current project, a 1961 F-100
>Unibody; next project, a 1976 F-150 Super Cab, a 1978 F-250 Crew Cab Dually
>and a 1941 Ford military vehicle that I keep wanting to call a Jeep because
>it looks like one, but my military vehicle friend keeps insisting has
nothing
>to do with a d&ng%n Jeep, it's a Ford! How's that for a run-on sentence.
I
>find it nice to only have the one list. I find things in almost every one
>that I either use directly, or think about for the next time something goes
>wrong.

Hi Dad! You may not remember me but I just wanted to tell you I love you
Man! :] No son has had a better Dad! Where do we live now?
The '41 military vehicle. Willys wasn't able to keep up production so
the US contracted Ford to produce the same vehicle. Is this correct? What
are the differences between what Willys produced and Ford?
We can't split the list! Look it brings Families together! Thanks Ken if
not for you I would have never found my Dad!

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: DWBaile aol.com
To: fordtrucks listservice.net
Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: two lists



>Hello,
>
>I too was trying to do the flathead rebuild. I bought the book, found the
>parts sources, checked the block for everything I could think of, took the
>engine out and found the exhaust valve seats cracked right out to the
>manifolds. I have a '74 Maverick donor with a 302/C4/8" posi that I could
>use, or I have an International Harvester Diesel that I think would be a
hoot
>in there. I want it to look stock when complete, but wouldn't a '50 with
the
>IH turbo Diesel be a hoot. Kinda like a stone aged Power Stroke. What do
>you think?
>
>I will await your reply, and please take it easy on me as I am just
thinking
>out loud at this point. I have not cut anything just yet.
>Thanks for your consideration,
>Don
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:07:04 -0400
From: "Jerry Dean"
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback

I say go for the four different lists. That way we have a variety and it
keeps things interesting. Plus, we might even learn some things we didn't
already know about other Fords!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ken Payne
To: fordtrucks listservice.net
Date: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 9:38 PM
Subject: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback



>1. CGI script being tested which will let us randomly
> rotate banners submitted by members.
>2. CGI script which allows us to have password protected
> web pages. Many possible uses of this.
>3. Many new web pages being tested.
>4. New user survey form being tested. This time the
> user survey results will go on the web site (just the
> year/model/engine)
>5. New voting form for a split into 3 lists! I've received
> a few emails about the possibility of this. It was
> suggested that we split along these lines:
>
> a) 1959/60 and older trucks
> b) 1960/61-1979 trucks
> c) 1980 and newer trucks
>
> A diesel split was also suggested. The user survey should
> give a indication of which split makes the most sense or
> if two new lists makes sense. This new list server costs
> less than the previous one so we can afford it. Current
> lists would keep the same addresses.
>6. Domain registration. This would allow us to have an address
> independent of any provider - no more tracking down links to
> the site if we change web providers.
>7. A couple of people mentioned helping out with the administration
> of the lists. Thanks! But.... the new list server cuts my
> administrative tasks from about 50 chores per night to about 10.
> Its no longer eating all my time.
>
>Please let me know what you think, either via the list or send
>private email to me. I especially want to hear about what everyone
>thinks about a 3rd (and possibly 4th) list. Be patient if you
>expect a response, given the history of these types of issues
>my mailbox will probably get flooded.
>
>
>-Ken
>List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
>Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:16:33 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #180

Bret,
I weld everyday for a living what you need is a wire feed mig machine
and use .023 wire also make sure you get the correct contact tips. This
is going to be your best choice it's easy light weight and very
versital.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:30:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ctrucknut aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #173

Try Dennis Carpenter Reproductions.

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:04:22 -0600
From: Bill Adams
Subject: Hood ornament on 61 F100

Hi All,

I posted this a week or so ago but I think I messed up the address or
something because it came back to me but I never saw it in the digest.

I recently bought a 61 F-100 Unabody.

It has a little chrome plated jet plane on the hood in adition to the
expected "gear and lightning" emblem. I've never seen one of these
before on any F-100.

Is this little jet plane a factory installed item? I don't think it is
but I don't want to throw it away till I know for sure. Can any of you
Effy experts help me out here.

Bill Adams
wladams beaulib.dtx.net

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:10:59 -0600
From: Bill Adams
Subject: Electrolisis derusting process

Hi All,

I've been cleaning up the original wheels from my 61 Unibody, and have
used a process called Electrolisis which removes ALL rust right down to
a beautiful light gray bare metal.
This process doesn't damage the metal in any way like grinding or
sandblasting does.
It's also cheap!

I was wondering if I should post a "how to" to the list?

L8tr
Bill Adams

Let me know what you think.

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:34:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: STATX5 aol.com
Subject: Re: Electrolisis derusting process

Yes I for one would be interested in knowing how this is done.

Thanks Sam

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:42:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: two lists

At 04:33 AM 9/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello,
>While I don't think I have posted before, I do have an opinion on whether one
>list or two. I have a 1948 F-1, a 1950 F-1; current project, a 1961 F-100
>Unibody; next project, a 1976 F-150 Super Cab, a 1978 F-250 Crew Cab Dually
>and a 1941 Ford military vehicle that I keep wanting to call a Jeep because
>it looks like one, but my military vehicle friend keeps insisting has nothing
>to do with a d&%n Jeep, it's a Ford! How's that for a run-on sentence. I
>find it nice to only have the one list. I find things in almost every one
>that I either use directly, or think about for the next time something goes
>wrong.
>
>I too was trying to do the flathead rebuild. I bought the book, found the
>parts sources, checked the block for everything I could think of, took the
>engine out and found the exhaust valve seats cracked right out to the
>manifolds. I have a '74 Maverick donor with a 302/C4/8" posi that I could
>use, or I have an International Harvester Diesel that I think would be a hoot
>in there. I want it to look stock when complete, but wouldn't a '50 with the
>IH turbo Diesel be a hoot. Kinda like a stone aged Power Stroke. What do
>you think?
>
>I will await your reply, and please take it easy on me as I am just thinking
>out loud at this point. I have not cut anything just yet.
>Thanks for your consideration,
>Don

Don, so far most of the postings I've gotten say "split it". However,
I asked for feedback so I could gauge from the responses whether this
is enough of an issue to vote on. I won't make the decission, the list
members will. It looks like within a week or two (I've got other
items with higher priority) there will be a voting form on the web
site (and alternate email voting instructions) along with a user
survey. Just like the last two times, full voting results will get
published on the lists (minus names/email addresses).

Ken

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 11:08:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ctrucknut aol.com
Subject: Re: Hood ornament on 61 F100

The Jet Plane was not an option that I know of. It almost sounds like the
hood ornament off of a 1955-1957 Ch*vy B*l A*r.

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:13:45 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Electrolisis derusting process

Post away, I'd like to know about it.

- ----------
> From: Bill Adams
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Electrolisis derusting process
> Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 10:10 AM
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've been cleaning up the original wheels from my 61 Unibody, and have
> used a process called Electrolisis which removes ALL rust right down to
> a beautiful light gray bare metal.
> This process doesn't damage the metal in any way like grinding or
> sandblasting does.
> It's also cheap!
>
> I was wondering if I should post a "how to" to the list?
>
> L8tr
> Bill Adams
>
> Let me know what you think.
>
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 09:17:13 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kelly Farough
Subject: Re: F-350 Brakes

Dale & Donna, I might be in far left field about this one but I own a
1977 F-250 4x4 crew cab with 1 ton running gear and suspension that I use
for my landscaping business. Last year I started having the same problem
as you are. It turned out to be a
serious vacuum leak in the engine. A fresh 400 c.i. engine solved
the problem.

On Mon, 1 Sep 1997, George Shepherd wrote:

>
> Are you sure the F-350 has ABS? I don't think so. This is not typical.
> Something isn't working properly. Sounds like someone isn't installing the
> proper brake lining.
>
> ----------
> > From: Dale and Donna Carmine
> > To: Ford Trucks
> > Subject: F-350 Brakes
> > Date: Sunday, August 31, 1997 5:26 PM
> >
> > Anyone have experience with a heavily loaded F-350 having weak braking?
> We
> > use a '76 F-350 as a service vehicle. It runs across the scales right at
> > 8,000 lbs. Problem is on dry pavement I can stand on the brake with both
> > feet without a hint of wheel lock and very long stopping distances. My
> > co-workers claim that this was ford's early 'anti-lock' system (g). It's
> > o.k. out in the country but makes me very nervous to drive in town as
> there
> > is no such thing as a "panic stop". Booster has been repalced and the
> > master cyclinder has been replaced twice.
> > Is this typical braking carrying this weight?
> > What could be wrong? Brakes "feel" normal, just not much power. Has
> > always been serviced & repaired by a professional mechanic because it is
> a
> > company vehicle.
> > My '79 F-150 daily driver will stop much shorter even with the extra
> weight
> > of camping trailer and gear.
> >
> > Comments?
> >
> > Dale C.
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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 08:46:30 -0700
From: "Deacon Blue"
Subject: Re: Electrolisis derusting process

You don't need to ask! You can post any thing you want. If it's out of
place we just flame you ;]
Speaking of people that get flamed where's Daver?

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Adams
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Monday, September 01, 1997 7:26 AM
Subject: Electrolisis derusting process



>Hi All,
>
>I've been cleaning up the original wheels from my 61 Unibody, and have
>used a process called Electrolisis which removes ALL rust right down to
>a beautiful light gray bare metal.
>This process doesn't damage the metal in any way like grinding or
>sandblasting does.
>It's also cheap!
>
>I was wondering if I should post a "how to" to the list?
>
>L8tr
>Bill Adams
>
>Let me know what you think.
>
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older --------------+
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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 09:37:04 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: two lists

>I too was trying to do the flathead rebuild. I bought the book, found the
>parts sources, checked the block for everything I could think of, took the
>engine out and found the exhaust valve seats cracked right out to the
>manifolds. I have a '74 Maverick donor with a 302/C4/8" posi that I could
>use, or I have an International Harvester Diesel that I think would be a hoot
>in there. I want it to look stock when complete, but wouldn't a '50 with the
>IH turbo Diesel be a hoot. Kinda like a stone aged Power Stroke. What do
>you think?

You win the prize for originality! If it runs good, if it'll fit, if you
can fabricate mounts, etc, I say use the IH.

~Dan

1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V
Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:50:55 -0800
From: David Neumayer
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #177

Hi Ken,

I'm in favor of a list of 59/60 and older. I read very little of
the current listings because they deal with vehicles that are much
different then my 56 F100.

Keep up the good work!!

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:25:48 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #180

George Schott wrote:
>
> Bret,
> I weld everyday for a living what you need is a wire feed mig machine
> and use .023 wire also make sure you get the correct contact tips. This
> is going to be your best choice it's easy light weight and very
> versital.
>
> Duke's
> Fine 69

What make the .023 better than say the thicker wire, .030 or even the
.035?

Novice welder asking.

Ford Content;

Information need for building things for my Ford Truck>
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 14:30:44 -0400
From: bbprice
Subject: Re: Electrolisis derusting process

Bill Adams wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been cleaning up the original wheels from my 61 Unibody, and have
>
> used a process called Electrolisis which removes ALL rust right down
> to
> a beautiful light gray bare metal.
> This process doesn't damage the metal in any way like grinding or
> sandblasting does.
> It's also cheap!
>
> I was wondering if I should post a "how to" to the list?
>
> L8tr
> Bill Adams
>
> Let me know what you think.

I am currently in the process of cleaning all of the rust off of my 1965
F100 so that I can undercoat. I am also wanting to clean my brake drums.
I would be very interested in the process you are talking about. If you
don't post it on the list then please send it to my at my private email
site.Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 11:36:57 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: List breakdown.

Why don't we go ahead and have everyone participate in little
information gathering. Lets have a tally of how many and what years
trucks we own, and break down the list accordingly. There could be a
page set up that only the members can enter what year trucks we have and
it would keep a running total. There might be a higher number of truck
from say 67-72 and that would require a list break at 66 and older, who
knows.

I would hate to see a list like 1920's and older and have only two
people in it.

So far I see the list going this way.

1. 80 and up(I don't keep up on this list much so it might need to be
broken up also)

2. 57-79
a. 67-79
b. 57-66

If there is really a need to break this down further go with a and b

3. 56 and older.

Just my HO.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 12:57:23 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

Thanks all for the advice. I think I have solved the advance problem.

I went back to the wrecking yard (pick-your-part type, the best kind of
wrecking yard) and found two different single port advance units( not
the double port type with one port blocked. )The one that worked still
had the OEM dist tag on the dist ( helps in the future. )It has the
following markings:

C41 under the can, 12 on the arm that attaches to the pickup plate in
the dist, an internal stop that limits vacuum advance to about 20 deg's
and it has a relatively soft spring ( as compared to the other type I
found)

The dist. tag reads as follows:
82
D7AE
2127
UA
8L 17

Other then the D7A = 1977, full-size, I have no idea what the tag
means.( if anyone speaks Ford-ese could you please translate)

The other vac canister has the following markings:

C37 under the can, 10 on the arm that attaches to the pickup plate in
the dist, no internal stop so the vacuum advances to about 30-40 deg's
and it has a relatively stiff spring ( as compared to the C41 type )


The C41 can's 20 deg's, with 8 deg's initial, and 10 deg's mechanical
give me 38 deg's total. Almost no ping climbing a steep hill on a
relatively hot California afternoon using 87 octane gas.

Again, thanks to all who sent replies.

Dana

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:06:04 -0000
From: "Kevin"
Subject: 400 cid

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:04:41 -0400 (EDT)
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: Yes to 3 lists: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback

Ken -
Given the increased volume of posts, I think the split into 3 lists is a
good idea. I worry I'd miss interesting technical discussions by the 60-79
guys, but it would be my choice to confine my subscription to the oldest
list. Perhaps we'd get more participation from the ol' farts that way!

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Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:55:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bob LaDouceur
Subject: Re: Which Welder??

I was in your same dilemma several years ago. I held out for awhile and
went for a MIG wire feed after years of using on oxy/acetylene setup for
welding sheet metal. I chose the Lincoln SP-100 which runs off 110 volts
and deliberately avoided the cheaper units. It was well worth the cost (about
$500 including tank and cart) and makes welding sheet metal a breeze with
very little if any hammer work needed to correct distortion. The only limitation
is metal thickness - I can only go to about 1/8" which has never been an issue
for me since I only use it for relatively thin stuff.
Good luck,
Bob

At 09:22 PM 8/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Sound to me like many of you that track this list serve do your own body
>work and other welding. I am interested in getting a welder. Actually I
>already picked up a small arch welder but do not know if I will keep it. I
>would like to be able to do some simple body work and maybe some heavier
>stuff like making a trailer or something of this sort. A friend of mine
>has both a big arch welder and an oxy/acetylene setup. He has done some....

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