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fordtrucks-digest Thursday, August 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 176



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Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 And Older Trucks Digest
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In this issue:

RE: Lists [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Question - Overdrive transmission options ["John F. Bauer III"
Re: Interior 51, Headliner [TNickolson aol.com]
Re: 60 and older [TNickolson aol.com]
VIN placement [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: 68 Ford Brake swap???? [OldTrux aol.com]
Transmission Swap [reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
RE: Sender unit [DC Beatty ]
Re: New Guy [mcat epix.net]
RE: Transmission Swap [Randy Collins ]
Sliding doors concept [BigDogF250 aol.com]
Re: Sliding doors concept [reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
Re: VIN placement [Ken Payne ]
Re: Transmission Swap [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Re: VIN placement [Don Grossman ]
Re: old engine in new truck [Don Grossman ]
Re: Sender unit. er Power steering? [Don Grossman ]
Re: Exhaust/Rims????For 68 [Don Grossman ]
RE: Transmission Swap [Randy Collins ]

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 14:07:00 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: Lists

I AGREE!!!

sleddog
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From: Paul G.[SMTP:thegman cfw.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 10:54 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Lists

I like the lists as now. Why? Because I find it interesting and
informative to read what others are doing to their trucks, since the
general theory applies to others of different eras...generally, this
list greatly increases my general knowledge of Ford Trucks, and if I was
on a list geared for my 55 panel, I would miss a lot of stuff.

Paul G.





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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 15:04:44 -0400
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: RE: Question - Overdrive transmission options

Thanks for all the comments, I've had a dana 60 rear with 5.13 gears at 46"
mud tires, and have slimmed to a dana 37 with 3.54 gears and 30" general
type tires. Personally, mostly looking for the manual trans for fun
installation project and driving enjoyment! Any magic formula out there for
gear set + tire size = X speedo gear?

John
bauerjf ix.netcom.com

At 01:39 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>you want simple, cheap and functional? try changing the rear end gears.
> that 460 will pull a tall gear easy. i use a c6, 33" tires and 3.50
>gears, and the 460 has no trouble with it. if you have the room, and spare
>tires, put taller tires on and that'll do alot for you right there. don't
>forget to change the speedo gears if you change tire or gear ratios.
>
>there are some 5 speeds that'll take over 400, (450 i think) lbs.ft. the
>tremec and richmond 5 speeds do i thnk.
>
>i saw an article in a 4 wheeler mag for a company that beefs up the ea4od
>(or a4od?) to take the torque still retaining the lockup converter. anyone
>else see this article? i remember calling for info, and then forgeting it
>because the price was too high and i would still need to change drive shaft
>lengths and some other smaller details would be custom made.
>
>sleddog
>
>----------
>From: SuperMagot aol.com[SMTP:SuperMagot aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 1997 1:41 PM
>To: fordtrucks ListService.net
>Subject: Question - Overdrive transmission options
>
>I am wondering if anyone outhere has any ideas for an overdrive
>transmission
>solution. Let me first tell you what I have, and what I know.
>
>I have a 70 1/2ton 2WD SWB with a 460 and a C-6. The rearend has 3.7
>gears.
>At around 60mph, the engine is doing 3000RPM.
>
>Thats just a little to high for me, especially for such a light truck and a
>big engine.
>
>Heres options I have seen, and my comments....
>
>Ford E4OD Tranny - Big, heavy, expensive, needs a computer to work.
>A40D Tranny - doesnot fit a 460, and would probably break
>Aftermarket 5 or 6 speed - would be nice, but I havenot seen any that
>handle
>much more than 400 ft-lbs of torque. (I'd
>probably break it)
>I have heard of the additional gear boxes you can buy that stick on the end
>of the
>C-6. I have done research on these, and found that they are expensive,
>need
>alot of maintenance, and I havenot found one that gives more than .7
>overdrive.
>
>So my question is...does anyone know of any other solutions?
>Is there an aftermarket company that provides a 4-speed auto? Or maybe a
>conversion of the A4OD? Or a non-computer version of the E4OD? Or a beefy
>orverdrive manual that will work?
>
>Thanks for your assistance!!
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:12:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: Interior 51, Headliner

Seven peices.
1. Headliner
2. & 3. Two peices, one on each side of the rear window
4. Small strip on top of rear window
5. Small strip on the bottom of the rear window
6. & 7. Two quarter panels on the side of gas tank to back of door.

Tom

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 16:17:44 -0400 (EDT)
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: 60 and older

My vote is for 1959 and older list.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 17:38:50 -0400
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: VIN placement

Where did ford put vin #"s at on 67-72 Ford trucks besides the ds door
Is it stamped into the frame anywhere????
Joe

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:08:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 Ford Brake swap????

My '66 F100 uses a Dana 30 front axle (with drum brakes)

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 19:49:35 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
Subject: Transmission Swap

I am swapping a 460 out of a 77 Lincoln Towncar into a '78 F150 4x4.
I am swapping the transmission also. Do I need to swap the output
shaft along with it? And if I do, do I have to take the whole trans
apart to swap the output shaft? Thanks in advance for any help.

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Date: 28 Aug 97 20:17:19 EDT
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Sender unit

This sounds like the power steering control valve assembly. Does it screw onto
the end of the drag link? Does the ball/socket thing go up into the pittman arm?
I built the one for my 1974 Maverick. I would bet that the truck stuff is more
heavy-duty, though.

I went to the junkyard and pulled the old parts off a junker and got the rebuild
kits at NAPA. I seem to remember 3 kits: one seal kit for the power ram, and two
for the power valve: one for the seals, etc. for the actual hydraulic valve, and
one for the ball/stud kit. It was all brand new and included the ball/stud and a
new clamp to hold it in. These wear out and become rather dangerous after
awhile, especially if they aren't kept pumped up with grease.

The same may hold true for the truck as for the Maverick. NAPA had the parts,
but I had to go down there and force them to look real hard in all those books
they have on the counter (the weenies told me on the phone that they couldn't
get the stuff). They had to order the stuff from Arizona or something. I got the
kits, rebuilt the junkyard parts at my leisure, and changed them out in one day.
The whole deal cost me around $60 and one Saturday afternoon.

I hope this helps. If you need any more detail or anything feel free to email.
104452.1362 CompuServe.com

DC Beatty
1967 F-100 352 (integral power steering thank god)
1974 Maverick 302 (multi-piece power steering that still leaks!!)

You wrote:

(non-integral) setup for a 76 4x4 full time F-250?

The worn part is attached ahead of a hydraulic unit with four hoses
connected. It is a ball end fitting into a socket type affair that is the
manual connect for the steering. Ford says no can supply. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.>>

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:38:50 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: New Guy

Jim the affected trucks at the time were 73-77 as I remeber. I don`t
remeber the bulletin number or the date. Some old dealr might have the
info if they still have the books.
Garry
- --- On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:22:16 -0700 Jim Strigas
wrote:

> > I had a 75 f250 many yrs ago that wandered as well as wore tires
out.
>>had the alignment checked and rechecked. Finaly my ford parts man found
an
>>obscure bulletin that adressed the problem. Seems that the radius arm
>>bushings were a softer rubber and would compress under load. When
setting
>>still everything was normal. I replaced the bushings and the truck drove
>>and handled better than new. Ford changed the compound in the bushings
but
>>never told. The part no was different but the only way to find it at the
>>time was to read the bulletin. I drove this truck untill 85 and finaly
>>bought a new one.I still miss the ole gal. Hope this helps.
>> Garry
>
>
>Thank you Garry for this information!
> Would you happen to know what years and models this affected? or what
>the bulletin was? I realize it was some time ago, and the chances that
you
>know this things are slim but it may be of help to myself and others!
After
>replacing the flex coupler in my '73 F100 there was a vast improvement
but
>that was in comparison to the way it was. Perhaps it could be better! I
>still thank you for this and I will look into it for my own truck.
>
>Jim Strigas
>jstrigas worldnet.att.net
>It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
>or if your a Tbird fan
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/
>
>
>
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Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 8/27/97 Time: 12:38:50 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 18:30:40 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: Transmission Swap

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From:reedg ns2.cetlink.net [SMTP:reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
Sent:Thursday, August 28, 1997 12:50 PM
To:fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject:Transmission Swap

I am swapping a 460 out of a 77 Lincoln Towncar into a '78 F150 4x4.
I am swapping the transmission also. Do I need to swap the output
shaft along with it?

Yes

And if I do, do I have to take the whole trans
apart to swap the output shaft?

Yes

Thanks in advance for any help.



Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 21:42:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: BigDogF250 aol.com
Subject: Sliding doors concept

Well this isnt entirely a ford question but.....There has to be somebody out
there who knows this. In the 60s Chrysler had a concept called the 70-x.
The car had doors had a special hinge called a "parrallelogram hinge". This
hinge allowed for the doors to slide forward rather than swing out( Like a
Mini-van side door but without the unsightly track). I would like to use
this type of hinge on my truck to further customize it and to allow easier
access in tight spots such as a parking lot. If you have any info on this
type of hinge, how it work or where i could find them, please respond. I
thank you for your help.
I also have a second question: Is it legal to put a non computerized engine
in a late-model truck? Like a 70's 460 in a 95 F-series, for example. How
difficult would it be to take out all the computers to prevent systems from
malfunctioning while crossing deep water. Thanks again,


Matt Coil
92 F-250 4x4 5.8L 6" lift and 35" bfg's

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:00:40 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
Subject: Re: Sliding doors concept

> From: BigDogF250 aol.com


> I also have a second question: Is it legal to put a non computerized engine
> in a late-model truck? Like a 70's 460 in a 95 F-series, for example. How
> difficult would it be to take out all the computers to prevent systems from
> malfunctioning while crossing deep water. Thanks again,
>
Depends on what state you are in. In Flordia(back in '89 anyway) your
emissions requirements were based on the year of the engine.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:47:17 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: VIN placement

At 05:38 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Where did ford put vin #"s at on 67-72 Ford trucks besides the ds door
>Is it stamped into the frame anywhere????
>Joe

Only place I know of is the door.

- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:49:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: Transmission Swap

Does anyone know the web site for JC Whitney? I sure can't find it...

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:09:57 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: VIN placement

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 05:38 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Where did ford put vin #"s at on 67-72 Ford trucks besides the ds door
> >Is it stamped into the frame anywhere????
> >Joe
>
> Only place I know of is the door.
>
> -Ken
> List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
> Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

It should also be on the right(PS) frame rail just behind the motor and
just in front of the cab. I have seen it also placed on the Left(DS)
frame rail under the bed about in the middle but don't remember what
year truck that was. I had or have, if just having the just the title
and vin plate count, a 58 that has the vin stamped on the front axle.
There are some tags in the engine compartment that might have the vin #.
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:12:37 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: old engine in new truck

BigDogF250 aol.com wrote:
> I also have a second question: Is it legal to put a non computerized engine
> in a late-model truck? Like a 70's 460 in a 95 F-series, for example. How
> difficult would it be to take out all the computers to prevent systems from
> malfunctioning while crossing deep water. Thanks again,
>
> Matt Coil
> 92 F-250 4x4 5.8L 6" lift and 35" bfg's


Answer in just three words....

State State State
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:25:25 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Sender unit. er Power steering?

Harvey, Blaine wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can find parts for power steering assist
> (non-integral) setup for a 76 4x4 full time F-250?
>
> The worn part is attached ahead of a hydraulic unit with four hoses
> connected. It is a ball end fitting into a socket type affair that is the
> manual connect for the steering. Ford says no can supply. Any
> suggestions would be appreciated.

If the power unit on that 76 is in need of repair you should seriously
consider upgradding to the integral box used from 77-79 or adapting one
of the other Saginaw (sp) boxes used by some of the other manufacturers
during that time. I have a unit (steering box) out of one of those, I'm
not sure which truck it came off of, it could have been a *hevy or a
*odge. A previous owner of the truck put it on. I still have to fix
that mess once I rebuild the front end. The box is tilted from it's
proper angle and ...... back to program.

I have seen some of these in other mid 70's Fords with some sucess.
Proper mounting is critical and some fab. work might need to be done.

Like you said parts are hard to find and as soon as you fix one part or
hose the next will break.
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 20:28:19 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Exhaust/Rims????For 68

I have a set of 15x 10's that I want to get rid of and I'll throw in the
33"tires :-)
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 22:35:53 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: Transmission Swap

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Last time I checked JC Whitney didn't have a web site. Drop me a note if you need their phone number.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



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From:GMPACHECO aol.com [SMTP:GMPACHECO aol.com]
Sent:Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:49 PM
To:fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject:Re: Transmission Swap

Does anyone know the web site for JC Whitney? I sure can't find it...

Mike in Seattle




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