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fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, August 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 169



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In this issue:

Re: Drum Brakes - Help! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Dana 44 in older 1/2 tons [BULL229 aol.com]
RE: Drum Brakes - Help! [Kevin Lindstedt ]
Re: Pictures & Coils ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Drum Brakes - Help! ["Jim Strigas" ]
RE: peculiar gasoline question [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Drum Brakes - Help! [Kevin Lindstedt ]
Re: More BTU's please.. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Drum Brakes - Help! ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: peculiar gasoline question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Tranny Grind ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: New Guy, Steering wander ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:51:45 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Drum Brakes - Help!

> From: "Kevin Lindstedt"
> Subject: Drum Brakes - Help!
> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:19:45 -0500

> ways. Which is correct: long lining in front (primary shoe), or in
> back (secondary shoe)? I looked at the old linings and the last

As I recall the short one goes in front but the last few sets I've
bought have the same length so who knows? The idea is that the
pressure from the front shoe when going forward will exert a stronger
overall mechanical advantage on the rear shoe causing it to grab
unless you spread the load over a larger area with a larger foot
print against the drum, as I recal :-)

- -- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:37:10 -0400 (EDT)
From: BULL229 aol.com
Subject: RE: Dana 44 in older 1/2 tons

Someone asked for info on putting the newer front end in the 68-72 1/2 tons.
I have done this on my truck (71 4WD shortbed 428 CJ) This gors in easily
if you have experience with this type of work. I recommend using the poly
C-bushings they really tighten up the front end. You will need the tie-rod
assembly to match, the sizes are different. I am not sure how easily it will
match up to the steering box, I changed mine over to the Bronco power box at
the same time. The discs made it stop much nicer, but one thing I didnt like
was that ball joints arent quite as reliable as the old style trunion
bearings. Of course I run 10 inch rims with 35 inch radials, so a smaller
tire might put less side load. Feel free to e-mail me with any questions, I
have done this on 2 trucks.......

Ross Bullock

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 07:52:38 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
Subject: RE: Drum Brakes - Help!

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You wrote:

>> From: "Kevin Lindstedt"
>> Subject: Drum Brakes - Help!
> >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:19:45 -0500

> >ways. Which is correct: long lining in front (primary shoe), or in
> >back (secondary shoe)? I looked at the old linings and the last

>As I recall the short one goes in front but the last few sets I've=20
>bought have the same length so who knows? The idea is that the=20
>pressure from the front shoe when going forward will exert a stronger=20
>overall mechanical advantage on the rear shoe causing it to grab=20
>unless you spread the load over a larger area with a larger foot=20
>print against the drum, as I recal :-)

>-- Gary Peters --

Well, I swapped around the linings this past weekend - put the short in =
front, etc... I think the "dragging" problem I have/had (it's going =
away) is due to the linings not matching the radius of the drum. My Dad =
told me that years ago it was common practice to "fit" the linings to =
the drum. The parts store/shop would grind down your new linings to =
match the drum. Has anyone ever heard of this? Is it still done today?

Kevin Lindstedt
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6 2wd

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:17:19 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Pictures & Coils

> From: "Jim Strigas"
> Subject: Pictures & Coils
> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 1997 13:23:05 -0700

> Is it Saturday? Where is everyone? FoMoCo must have made Gary
> work today
> ;)

I took 5 days off from thursday and when I left I couldn't get any
mail through due to bouncing from the truck list for some reason so I
quit responding till I got back. I'm back so here's my $ .02 worth
(hope this doesn't bounce):

In my experience there has never been a need for leaf springs on the
independent suspension systems and in fact the swing of the "I"
beams would "pinch" the shakles on a leaf suspension at full
compression etc. so they should all have coils but the live axle 4
wheel drive F-250's and, as they said, F-150 super cabs had leafs due
to using the F-250 chasis AFAIK.

I'm not a new truck expert so I don't know what the TTB's and IFS 4
wheelers have but I suspect for the above reasons they probably have
coils as well?

- -- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 06:30:54 -0700
From: "Jim Strigas"
Subject: Re: Drum Brakes - Help!

No that's not the problem. I remember when they would ark the linings but
that hasn't been legal in decades do to cancer causing materials in the
lining! Did you adjust you parking brake for the new shoes?

Jim Strigas
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Lindstedt
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 5:55 AM
Subject: RE: Drum Brakes - Help!



You wrote:

>> From: "Kevin Lindstedt"
>> Subject: Drum Brakes - Help!
> >Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:19:45 -0500

> >ways. Which is correct: long lining in front (primary shoe), or in
> >back (secondary shoe)? I looked at the old linings and the last

>As I recall the short one goes in front but the last few sets I've
>bought have the same length so who knows? The idea is that the
>pressure from the front shoe when going forward will exert a stronger
>overall mechanical advantage on the rear shoe causing it to grab
>unless you spread the load over a larger area with a larger foot
>print against the drum, as I recal :-)

>-- Gary Peters --

Well, I swapped around the linings this past weekend - put the short in
front, etc... I think the "dragging" problem I have/had (it's going away)
is due to the linings not matching the radius of the drum. My Dad told me
that years ago it was common practice to "fit" the linings to the drum. The
parts store/shop would grind down your new linings to match the drum. Has
anyone ever heard of this? Is it still done today?

Kevin Lindstedt
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6 2wd

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:39:45 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: peculiar gasoline question

>>>>>>>>>

thanks for the fuel link. i was looking for something like this awhile
ago. found one from i think it was rider magazine on race fuels, called
chemical soup, then lost it and can't find it again.

i'll be printing this one!

sleddog




Steve Delanty
1971 F100 FE390

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 08:49:18 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
Subject: RE: Drum Brakes - Help!

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> No that's not the problem. I remember when they would ark the linings =
but
>that hasn't been legal in decades do to cancer causing materials in the
>lining! Did you adjust you parking brake for the new shoes?
>
>Jim Strigas

If you mean the self adjuster mechanism, yes - it's free'd up and =
working. The emergency brake however... I did hook up the cable, but I =
don't use the e-brake until I can string some new cables up. On old =
trucks in the midwest (rustbelt), you don't engage the emergency brake =
unless you want it on forever. :-)

I've taken the drums back off every couple of days and sanded =
(carefully, health concerns and all...) the high spots that are rubbing. =
I guess in a way, I'm "arcing" the linings myself by doing this.

Kevin Lindstedt
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:01:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: More BTU's please..

> From: sdelanty sonic.net
> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:56:21 -0700
> Subject: More BTU's please..

> Are there any heavier duty heater parts or setups that use a bigger
> core that will fit my '71?

There was a High output heater option as far back as I can remember
on vans but not sure about PU's. The cores are roughly twice as big
and may even fit inside the original housing since most I've seen
have extra room in them but you may need to get the larger housing as
well. You might be able to use a newer one with a little ingenuity
but I'm just guessing. I don't have time to get to junk yards so
can't do the "what If's" I'd like to.

If you're really serious and can get some time to browse the yards
take the measurments of the box and it's outlets and go looking at
vans, they may be close enough to work for you, wish I knew for sure
:-)

- -- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 09:31:56 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Drum Brakes - Help!

My Haynes manual shows the short lining to be the primary lining {Page 185
'73 to '79} and long lining to be secondary. On both front and rear brake
drums the primary (short) lining goes to the front and the secondary (long)
goes to rear.

- ----------
> From: Gary, 78 BBB
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Re: Drum Brakes - Help!
> Date: Tuesday, August 26, 1997 2:51 AM
>
> > From: "Kevin Lindstedt"
> > Subject: Drum Brakes - Help!
> > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:19:45 -0500
>
> > ways. Which is correct: long lining in front (primary shoe), or in
> > back (secondary shoe)? I looked at the old linings and the last
>
> As I recall the short one goes in front but the last few sets I've
> bought have the same length so who knows? The idea is that the
> pressure from the front shoe when going forward will exert a stronger
> overall mechanical advantage on the rear shoe causing it to grab
> unless you spread the load over a larger area with a larger foot
> print against the drum, as I recal :-)
>
> -- Gary Peters --
>
> (Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
> (Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
> (Daughter's)92 Tempo
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:47:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: peculiar gasoline question

> Date: 22 Aug 97 17:03:57 EDT
> From: DC Beatty
> Subject: peculiar gasoline question

> gauge and from driving normally that my gas mileage increased
> dramatically when using this gas straight. Is it possible that this
> gas could *dramatically* increase engine efficiency and thus gas
> mileage? I'm curious.

BTU's should be the same for any gasoline so, unless your engine is
craving more octane, it shouldn't make any difference. Since
detonation can be silent but still affect the performance of the
engine it is possible that the higher octane helped but in that case
you are damaging the engine to run lower octane fuel in it.

It's also theoretically possible to get the octane so high it
interferes with proper ignition and flame propagation in a low
compression engine since octane boosters effectively raise the flash
point of the fuel so running premium in a low compression engine
could even reduce performance but the actual octane differences now
days are so small I doubt if you would ever see this. For all
practical purposes you will only be wasting money on octane you don't
need in that case.

- -- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 10:58:50 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Tranny Grind

> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 20:31:22 -0400
> From: billjhs
> Subject: Tranny Grind

> hard to get it into 1st gear, always seems to grind alot. I know I
> have to come to a stop to get into first but it grinds every time.
> If I go into reverse then back to first its OK. Could it be the
> clutch or is there something wrong ???

Sounds like clutch adjustment to me. You should have only and inch
or so free play and there should be a return spring to keep the pedal
up against it's stop so you can feel the free play.

First make sure the spring is on and working correctly, then check
the free play. If the free play is right you may have a damaged
diaphram or arm (if it's that type) so that it can't completely
release the clutch. I can't remember when they went to the diaphram
style clutch but I know they had them in 54 for sure.

Where does it make a good connection so it begins to pull the
vehicle? if it's just off the floor and/or there is lots of free
play then you need to check the adjustment.

- -- Gary Peters --

(Mine)78 F-150, 2wd, 460, C-6
(Mine)78 Bronco, 4wd, 351M, Np 435, Np 205, 33's
(Daughter's)92 Tempo
(Daughter's)92 T-Bird
(Wife's)94 T-Bird
(Son's)90 F-150, I6
(Son's)76 Blue Bird School bus
All mine to work on, maintain etc..

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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 1997 12:00:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: New Guy, Steering wander

> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 21:08:16 -0600
> From: Adrian Carter
> Subject: New Guy

> new. But, he has always had trouble with it wanting to wander from
> side to side. We have tried many things. For intance, new secter

I presume it has king pins in which case the king pins can freeze up
(even a little bit) and cause the steering system to be unable to
"quickly" find center so you keep making corrections to keep it
centered except that every little bump causes a new correction to be
made since it deflects and doesn't come back to exactly the same spot
again. I first recognized this phenomina when I installed a steering
damper on a 4x4 and had to make some adjustments to get it to track
since the damper tended to do the same thing. If your king pins
or in my case ball joints are fresh with fresh grease in them along
with the rest of the linkage the damper won't have much of an adverse
affect but if any of the linkage is already causing some resistance
to centering it will dramatically "add" to the effect.

You can fix this sometimes by heating the king pin area with a torch
just enought to soften the grease and then pump new grease in while
it's still warm but don't over heat it or the bushing could be
damaged (some have plastic inserts). King pins, despite what books
might have the say, require frequent greasing to keep them free
enough to work properly. They have poor seals and water gets in and
damages the grease so it needs to be replaced often (every 2k miles
or so) Also, if you have a shop install new ones for you check the....


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