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fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, August 26 1997 Volume 01 : Number 168



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In this issue:

'65 CC in Texas [John Strauss ]
Re: 351M to 460 Nightmare [TDimartina aol.com]
68 [MadPoodle aol.com]
68 F100 drum to disc conversion [Mark Goods ]
1965 Restoration [bbprice ]
Re: F-1 vs F-100 [TNickolson aol.com]
Re: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion ["George Shepherd"
Oil pan problem [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion [Ken Payne ]
RE: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1 [Dan Wentz ]
68 Ford Brake swap???? [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: peculiar gasoline question [sdelanty sonic.net]
Re: 68 Ford Brake swap???? ["George Shepherd" ]
RE:Power Steering Assist, 50 F1 [danadeb pacbell.net]
54 ford mainline [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 08:03:29 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: '65 CC in Texas

If anybody close to Austin, Texas is looking for a restoration project I
just ran across a fairly clean '65 CC SWB Styleside in a gas station's
storage lot.
It's been sitting for a few years but it's complete (even the chrome) from
what I can see and only has the usual rust at the drip rail on the roof.
The owner reports it's a six/3-speed and he want's $500 for it. Email me
if you need more info.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 09:12:22 -0400 (EDT)
From: TDimartina aol.com
Subject: Re: 351M to 460 Nightmare

The motor mounts from L&L work great and are life time guarantied. They also
carry
all products for 460 conversions. I used their products swapping a 1977
Mercury 460
into a 1976 F250.

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 11:16:06 -0400 (EDT)
From: MadPoodle aol.com
Subject: 68

Regarding the 302, I have no idea about the availabilty of small blocks, but
I know FOMOCO started slipping 302's in the Mustang midyear in place of the
289. They just did not tell anyone. My 68 has a 302, badged and decaled as a
289....

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 12:36:56 -0400
From: Mark Goods
Subject: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion

I'll try posting this again. Sorry if it's made it through before:

I know this may have been discused before, if so please forgive me. I have
a 1968 F100 and I would like to change the front drums to disc. What are
the parts needed? Can these parts be aquired from another truck from the
junkyard? How hard is this job for a "Shadetree"? Any other advice would be
helpful. Thanks in advance.

Mark
68 F100

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:18:47 -0400
From: bbprice
Subject: 1965 Restoration

I am currently sanding and priming rust spots on the cab of my 65 Step
side. The filler in the seams of the cab on the exterior are cracked and
flaking out. Should I remove all of the filler or just sand it. If the
recommendation is to remove it then what should I replace it with?

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 15:58:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: F-1 vs F-100

1052's are F1, I believe that was the last year. Some 53 parts will fit a 52
or the other way around.


Tom

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:22:43 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion

Since disk brakes were an option in 68, I guess on 68-72 disk brake set up
would swap.
Need master cylinder, brake lines, porportion valve and all parts off the
spindle.

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> From: Mark Goods
> To: 'fordtrucks-digest listservice.net'

> Subject: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion
> Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 11:36 AM
>
> I'll try posting this again. Sorry if it's made it through before:
>
> I know this may have been discused before, if so please forgive me. I
have
> a 1968 F100 and I would like to change the front drums to disc. What are
> the parts needed? Can these parts be aquired from another truck from the
> junkyard? How hard is this job for a "Shadetree"? Any other advice would
be
> helpful. Thanks in advance.
>
> Mark
> 68 F100
>
>
>
>
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 18:56:40 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Oil pan problem

I have a 69 2wd. 3spd. trans. with a 240 in it I got a 71 302 from a
Falcon my problem is that I was told I needed to get a different oil pan
for this application so I called the local yard and the guy says he just
happens to have a 69 truck w/ a 302 I go to pick up the oil pan and it
looks exactly like the one that is on the motor now is there some
difference in the oil pans that is not seen by looking at it i.e. amount
of oil or depth or something else? I really need to know because I
did'nt buy it and it is the only one I've been able to find in my area.
That leads to my next question is the 302 in a 69 a rare motor? One more
question where can I get the motor mounts for this swap? I need the
chassis as well as the motor. Thanks for your help and thanks to Ken for
a great place to get good answers and advice it is appreciated.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 20:46:37 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 68 F100 drum to disc conversion

At 12:36 PM 8/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'll try posting this again. Sorry if it's made it through before:
>
>I know this may have been discused before, if so please forgive me. I have
>a 1968 F100 and I would like to change the front drums to disc. What are
>the parts needed? Can these parts be aquired from another truck from the
>junkyard? How hard is this job for a "Shadetree"? Any other advice would be
>helpful. Thanks in advance.
>
>Mark
>68 F100
>

Mark,

First, someone else mentioned finding a 68-72 truck with front disc.
Good luck! Its going to be extremely difficult to find one. Your
best bet is a 73-79 donor, since all the 4x2s (that I know of) had them.

Parts needed:
1. spindles from a 73-79. will run $100-$200 bucks, depending on the yard
2. rubber brake hoses, $9-$15 each, specify 73-79
3. master cylinder and proportioning valve from junk yard $25-$40, 73-79
4. brake lines $1.50-$3.00 a stick, get 5 or 6 as you'll probably
mess up at least one. Also, get the longest they have, should
be 3/16" size line.
5. couplers, about a buck a piece. These are items you'll need if
you have to junction two steel lines together
6. bending and flairing tool $25
7. protractor, $1
8. bracket, I got one at home depot that I bent for about $2, to mount
the proportioning valve to the frame
9. king pin kit. again, specify 73-79. $40-$65
10. new brake pads $15 (install them on the spindles before they're
on the truck as its easier)
15. new brake calipers. Might as well do this before the new
spindles are on. Makes the brakes as good as factory new.
$9-$10 per caliper. I actually paid $9 and got $15 back for
each core so I ended up getting **paid** 4 bucks each to buy
them!!
16. brake line clips, for fastening steel lines to each other and the
frame.
17. 4 gallons of Gatoraide

Removing the old spindles is very hard work, you need a torch to
heat them up and a very heavy hammer. If you can find a suspension
shop that will do the swap, count on $200, plus you'll have to have
a tow truck ready to take it home. If you choose to do this part
yourself, let me know and I'll detail it. Its hard work, but not
brain surgery. Basically, lube the king-pins a couple of nights
before. There are lube points on the top and bottom of the spindles.
Unscrew those lube caps, put some penetrating oil in and put the caps
back on. Then use a lube pump to lube them, which should help force
some of the penetrating oil down around the kind pin.

Have the tire and brake hardware off when you get ready to remove
the king pin. Take off the caps, use a torch to get the area around
the king pin red hot (or damn close) and put a solid piece of hard
steel on top of the king pin (you can probably find some sort of
driver rod for this) and give it the hardest wack you can muster with
about a 48oz (or bigger) hammer. This is a real tough job at this
point. I can go into more detail if you want but you get the idea.

Put the new spindles on, fairly straight forward. Its just the
opposite of taking them off. Just remember to put the new king
pin bushing in place and try to be gentle driving the new king
pin in as you don't want to mushroom the end of it. Installing
is a whole lot easier than taking one out. Once everything is
back together, lube it.

Then, install the rubber brake lines. Swap the master cylinder (10
minute job), install the proporting valve on the left hand frame
rail behind the tranny support. You'll need to use the protractor
at this point to measure and bend the lines to orginal curves.
This is a bitch and is very time consuming when you're on your back.
Count on nearly a full day to replace the lines, flair the ends and
getting them to run as close as possible to the old line locations.
Next, bleed the entire system. Twice.... just to make sure! If
you need more details, let me know. I can walk you through this
procedure if you want me to. I converted my truck several months
ago and did a friends a month weeks ago. Its alot of work, not cheap
(but not expensive either), but the results are amazing. The
king pins are by far the hardest part. One word of advice, before
you install the new brake lines, get a scraper and remove all the
gunk and grease from the frame and all surrounding areas. This will
make the job a whole lot easier, not to mention not as unpleasant.

Align it. It will be so far out of alignment that driving it 1 mile
will probably tear the tires off (no kidding) if you don't end up in
a ditch first. If you can't align it yourself, get it towed! Do
not drive it in this condition!

Once the discs are in place, not only will it stop better and have
a lot less brake fade, it will stear easier with the new king pins.

This is above the level of (most) shade tree mechanics. It doesn't
take technical expertise but it really can try the average Joe's
patience as it will take a whole weekend (or longer). If you want
to give it a try, let us know and we'll walk you through it.

- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 17:44:08 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: RE: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1

>I Don't know if this will help you but...
>I know that on cars Ford had a 3 piece Bendix power steering setup. I have
one
>on my '74 Maverick that I was forced to rebuild, and have seen them on
Granada's
>and even on a '66 Mustang. This sounds somewhat like what is being
discussed, as
>some of the hoses go to the Control Valve that screw onto (or in the case
of the
>old Mustang was integral with) the end of the drag link. Some hoses also go
>between this Valve and the Power Ram (looks like a shock absorber bolted
up into
>the whole mess).

That sure sounds like it! If I knew what parts to get I'd much rather make
my own than buy the super-expensive kit. By the way, for anyone following
this topic, or for anyone who is just curious, I scanned some pictures of
the power assist kit from the Sacramento Vintage catalog and put them on my
webpage (address below). The link to the pictures is near the top of the
page.

~Dan

1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V
Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:40:07 -0400
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: 68 Ford Brake swap????

Would a 73-79 150 or 78-79 Bronco Dana 44 front axle swap in a 68 f100??
So i would get the better axle then the 30 plus disc brakes...????
Joe

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 19:12:57 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: peculiar gasoline question

>DC Beatty wrote:
>>
>> I know from previous posts that there are some petroleum geniuses out
there on
>> the list. I have a question:
>>
>> Last week 5 gallons of 112 octane racing gas accidentally :-) found its
way into
>> my trucks' gas tank. It seemed from looking at the gas gauge and from driving
>> normally that my gas mileage increased dramatically when using this gas
>> straight. Is it possible that this gas could *dramatically* increase engine
>> efficiency and thus gas mileage? I'm curious.

Daver Replies:

>Yes you get more horses out of each explosion.
>
>Molater
>
>Daver

O.K. I'll bite... Why do You get more horses from each explosion???


I thought the net calorific values for automotive and aviation fuels
was about 43-44 MegaJoules/kg regardless of octane value?

Does the 112 octane You use contain nitromethane or any other substances
that increase the calorific content?
Unless You are buying something really fancy I doubt it...

Many of the ingrediants used to increase octain actually decrease the
calorific content slightly...

The higher octane values only reduce the tendancy to
"spontaniously autoignite" under high heat/pressure conditions.
If a motor isn't having any pinging/detonation problems, increasing
the octane rating doesn't do squat except lighten Your wallet and
provide some psycological benefit (placebo effect....)

If You are having pinging problems already, or if higher octane fuels allow
You to increase compression or run better optimized timing curves without
detonation, then there is an advantage to higher octane.

Just for fun, heres some specific heat numbers from the "gasoline faq" :

Energy Content Heat of Vaporisation Oxygen Content
Nett MJ/kg MJ/kg wt%
Methanol 19.95 1.154 49.9
Ethanol 26.68 0.913 34.7
MTBE 35.18 0.322 18.2
ETBE 36.29 0.310 15.7
TAME 36.28 0.323 15.7
Gasoline 42 - 44 0.297 0.0

Typical values for commercial fuels in megajoules/kilogram are [37]:-
Gross Nett
Hydrogen 141.9 120.0
Carbon to Carbon monoxide 10.2 -
Carbon to Carbon dioxide 32.8 -
Sulfur to sulfur dioxide 9.16 -
Natural Gas 53.1 48.0
Liquified petroleum gas 49.8 46.1
Aviation gasoline 46.0 44.0
Automotive gasoline 45.8 43.8
Kerosine 46.3 43.3
Diesel 45.3 42.5

These numbers came from the gasoline faq at:


For anyone interested in gasoline, what it is and why, I recommend this
site as a *very* good read.
It is quite long and has lots of chemistry and stuff, but is extremely
informative...

It debunks a lot of myths and old wives tales about automotive fuel.

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
1971 F100 FE390

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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:50:51 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 68 Ford Brake swap????

My book says it will, but check which side the pumpkin is on and the spring
perches and shock mounting. Sometime in 72 or 73 they widened the frame and
the spring perches would have to be moved.

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> From: Joe DeLaurentis
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: 68 Ford Brake swap????
> Date: Monday, August 25, 1997 8:40 PM
>
> Would a 73-79 150 or 78-79 Bronco Dana 44 front axle swap in a 68 f100??
> So i would get the better axle then the 30 plus disc brakes...????
> Joe
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Date: Mon, 25 Aug 1997 21:59:54 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: RE:Power Steering Assist, 50 F1

There is a shop in california called So.Cal. Pickups in Buena Park (714
area code) They specialize in early F-1s, F-100s to mid 60s F-100s, at
one time they had a steering setup Like you described. also look in
"Trucking" Magazine (many adds). Also don't forget magazines and shops
dedicated to the early (30s) hot rods, many parts swap to trucks.
(I am in no way affiliated with the above shop or mag. they are just....


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