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fordtrucks-digest Sunday, August 24 1997 Volume 01 : Number 165



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In this issue:

RE: 351M to 460 swap [Randy Collins ]
Suspension and 390's [Alan Mittelstaedt ]
Re: New Guy / wandering truck [sdelanty sonic.net]
1963 Ford Van [TwoPaw ]
Power Steering Assist, 50 F1 [Dan Wentz ]
Re: did I hear "new tuck"?? [Ken Payne ]
Re: 1963 Ford Van [Ken Payne ]
Re: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1 ["George Shepherd" ]
ADMIN: NO BINARY ATTACHMENTS [Ken Payne ]
Re: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1 [Dan Wentz ]

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 10:19:32 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: 351M to 460 swap

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I didn't check out the drive train. Next time I am in the area I will check it out for you.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



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From:Sleddog [SMTP:kevkem epix.net]
Sent:Friday, August 22, 1997 4:06 PM
To:'fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject:RE: 351M to 460 swap

interesting, i wonder if any f150's came that way. do you happen to recall
if that f250 had 3/4 or 1 ton axles under it. just curious. i have a 79
f350 here with a 460, but it had a 400 in it factory i believe. it has the
dana 60 front, dana 80 (70 maybe?) rear. i was wondering if the big block
option upgraded the axles also.

sleddog

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From: Randy Collins[SMTP:rcollins micron.net]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 1997 12:20 PM
To: 'fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject: RE: 351M to 460 swap

Sleddog

I have seen a factory F250 4WD with a 460. I can't remember if it was a
'78 or '79.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6










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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 13:53:35 -0700
From: Alan Mittelstaedt
Subject: Suspension and 390's

>Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 05:55:34 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Bill Rotureau
>Subject: Suspension and 390s

>Hey Folks,

>Haven't posted much lately, but got a couple of questions for any and
>all:

>(1) Has anyone seen (or done) a four bar rear suspension set up for a
>1964 F100. You know, the kind with the four bars, coil over shocks
>and panard bar replacing the leafs. I have seen these kits in the
>mags for early models (thru '56) but nothing for the '58 - '66. I
>have replaced the front suspension with a Volarie set up and would
>like to finish the "street rod" job. No I don't do off-road or heavy
>hauling with this truck. Daily driver...

Are you sure that you want a 4-link on a daily driver?!? They don't
exactly provide stellar ride characteristics. 4-links are great for
drag racing, but unless properly set-up, can make the handling of the
vehicle *squirrely* at best. I would recommend a traction (slapper) bar
setup for the street; it is easier to set up, it will cost a hell of a
lot less than back-halving your truck, it has better street manners, you
can still haul, and it will probably provide you with more than enough
traction. Competition Engineering (203-453-5200) has an excellent
traction bar product. I you *must* have a 4-link, I would call Chris
Alston's ChassisWorks (916-388-0288) and talk to them about your
options...they are very knowledgeable.

>(2) Now this is non-truck question so forgive me... I have a '64
>TBird (390/4V). The 390 kinda relates to trucks, right :-). Had a
>miss (or surge) coming off idle, replaced ALL ignition parts, rebuilt
>the 4100, replaced the vacuum advance (AutoZone). Miss still there
>and a awfull knock (sounded like rods). Weeeell, disconnected the
>vacuum advance to check timing, dwell, etc, and the miss was not there
>when I came off idle. Came up to 3000 rpm, smooth as can be, no miss,
>no knock. Plugged the line to carb, jumped in and went for a drive.
>Smooth, good acceleration, no hesitation (for a 4500lb car with the AC
>on). What gives? This is a "dual advance" distributor and the
>mechanicals seem to be working just fine... What would cause the
>vacuum advance push the timing so far forward. The part number on the
>advance I got was correct even according to Ford. All other vacuum
>stuff is working fine (and Lord knows there is a ton on the these old
>Birds) - this is a 390 question, not a Tbird question. BTW, the
>engine has 81K on it, has had a complete head workup done - new
>springs, lifters, push rods, valves, milling, etc.

I had a problem that sounds very similar to this. I had mechanical
advance springs that were weak on the distributor on my truck, causing
the advance to come in way too early. I replaced the springs for about
2 bucks, and voila, it was fixed. Check your timing (without vacuum),
and rev the motor slowly to see when the advance comes in. If it comes
on full real soon, and not a gradual increase of timing, this could be
your problem. Mine showed up as 28-30 deg. at about 1500 rpm. Add the
vacuum advance to this, and you have an instant 40+ deg. plus a nasty
ping/spark knock.

Hope this helps, and good luck.

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 12:50:38 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: New Guy / wandering truck

>However, my brother Gerry has a '74 F350 460/C6 and has also had this
>from just about new. But, he has always had trouble with it wanting to
>wander from side to side. We have tried many things. For intance, new
>secter shaft and worm gear, all ball joints and bearings are good, new
>Monroe's, it has coil springs and new tires, has been alighned many
>times.
>We have tried solid side bias and radial tires nothing seems to help. We
>have adjusted that steering box until we are blue in the face. It is a
>twin "I" beam and we have inspected it and inspected, all is in good
>shape.
>The truck only has 73k on it. If anyone could give us any suggestions
>would
>be greatly appreciated.

Hi Adrian,

Has it had a set of king pins lately? The ones on my '71 F100 were
totally shot and made it wander like a gypsy...
The only other things I didn't see mentioned are the steering coupling
(rag joint) and make sure the steering box is WELL attached to the
frame. I've seen the bolts get loose and the box can move a little.

Also, maybe You are looking under the wrong end.?
After I finished fully rebuilding the front on my '71, it still had
a small amount of wander on uneven or gusty windy roads.
After I replaced all the suspension bushings on the REAR axle it went
away. They were sloppy enough to allow a small amount of "rear steer"
under load. Go figure...

>Also, anyone know of any company from Arkansas who sell/manufactures
>Port
>Fuel Injection Manifolds for the 460CID.

Sure, Ford sells 'em!

The later 460's came with EEC-IV port injection. Go find a 90's
460 truck at the wreckers and have a look.
Manifold, injectors, sensors, brain, harness, it's all to be had if
You can find a wrecked one.!

Happy motoring,

Steve Delanty
1971 F100 FE390

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 19:00:01 -0400
From: TwoPaw
Subject: 1963 Ford Van

Hi All

I have a 1963 Ford Falcon Van. I am going to restore it "fully". I
want to replace EVERY thing that can be replaced with New or just like
new parts. I am looking for catalogs/companys/ ect...

so far I have Mac's(the best one I have seen 18007770948)
and Dennis Carpenters 1800-476-9653 good too


they have alot of parts but I want what they dont have.

Any help would be grate..
thanks

Two Paw

63 Ford Falcon Camper Van/with 1970 Torinoe 250.

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 18:04:20 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1

Well, after a failed attempt to put power steering on my truck, I put back
the original box today. To say I'm unhappy with it would be an
understatement. I'm thinking now of putting a power assist kit onto the
original box. Does anyone have this or even seen it done? I've see
pictures of it and read descriptions and I don't quite get how it works.
All the hoses go to the drag link--not sure how that makes power steering.
I guess what I basically want to know is how well do these work and are
they worth $600? Or can they be gotten cheaper than that? Thanks.

~Dan (needs to work them forearms)
1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V
Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:55:04 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: did I hear "new tuck"??

>Ken Payne wrote:
>
>add a 199x F150)>>>
>
>Hey Ken. Go for it!!! Get the 1997. I drove one at work and it's quite the plush
>ride. Lots of power too. Since it was a work truck I felt obligated to take it
>for *the* test run. It exceeded my expectations.
>
>Think about it: cruise control, factory tough-to-rip-off CD player, 4 speed
>automatic, no less than pleasant wind noises while going down the highway...
>Can you smell that new truck smell, Ken??
>

I'm still trying to convince my wife. She's really got her heart
set on an older Jeep Grand Cherokee.... Oh no!!!! We've always
been a Ford family, if I have my way, it'll stay that way. We've
got two payments left on her 93 Escort and it still runs like new.
We want another vehicle as the 67 is going into the garage for
a full frame up and will spend at least the next 6 months there.
I've already done a lot of work on it so far but there's only so
much you can do with a daily driver.

....first I have to clean the gargage.

- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 21:57:39 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: 1963 Ford Van

At 07:00 PM 8/23/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi All
>
>I have a 1963 Ford Falcon Van. I am going to restore it "fully". I
>want to replace EVERY thing that can be replaced with New or just like
>new parts. I am looking for catalogs/companys/ ect...
>
>so far I have Mac's(the best one I have seen 18007770948)
>and Dennis Carpenters 1800-476-9653 good too
>
>
>they have alot of parts but I want what they dont have.
>
>Any help would be grate..
>thanks
>

Nearly every company on our suppliers page is an antique part
company that handles your vehicle. Also, there are many junk
yards now on the net that will assist you in your search.

- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 22:36:40 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1

Don't stop with the first unsuccessful attempt. It should work. What went
wrong? did the box not fit the frame or was it the drag link. Help us out
here and maybe we can help you, cause its been done.

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> From: Dan Wentz
> To: fordtrucks-digest ListService.net
> Subject: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1
> Date: Saturday, August 23, 1997 8:04 PM
>
> Well, after a failed attempt to put power steering on my truck, I put
back
> the original box today. To say I'm unhappy with it would be an
> understatement. I'm thinking now of putting a power assist kit onto the
> original box. Does anyone have this or even seen it done? I've see
> pictures of it and read descriptions and I don't quite get how it works.
> All the hoses go to the drag link--not sure how that makes power
steering.
> I guess what I basically want to know is how well do these work and are
> they worth $600? Or can they be gotten cheaper than that? Thanks.
>
> ~Dan (needs to work them forearms)
> 1992 Ford Mustang LX
> 1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V
> Check out my F1 page: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.GeoCities.com/MotorCity/3623
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Date: Sat, 23 Aug 1997 23:50:19 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: NO BINARY ATTACHMENTS

Posting large binary attachments to this list is a good
way to get yourself uns*bscribed. No finger pointing,
you know who you are. Please post only text.

'Nuff said.
- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
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Date: Sun, 24 Aug 1997 02:00:57 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: Power Steering Assist, 50 F1

At 10:36 PM 8/23/97 -0500, George Shepherd wrote:
>Don't stop with the first unsuccessful attempt. It should work. What went
>wrong? did the box not fit the frame or was it the drag link. Help us out
>here and maybe we can help you, cause its been done.

It's been done, but not often like this. Instead of being sensible and
using Toyota 4x4 steering (or some other tested method) I tried to fit a GM
box in there. This hasn't been done very much that I know of, and possibly
never in a truck with a 351C. The box fit the frame as it was supposed to,
and the cross steer stuff fit okay (a little close to the tranny for my
taste but it fit). The problem was with the box clearing critical parts of
the truck. First, the box sat over the spring, so if the front came close
to bottoming out the spring would hit the steering box. I shimmed it out
to clear the spring, but that just made my other problem, exhaust
clearance, worse. The box ended up being right up against the engine. The
stock manifold wouldn't clear, and neither would some fairly tight block
huggers. I might have been able to get custom headers welded up, but the
quotes I got were quite obscene. I considered moving the box, but the
cross steer rod would hit the transmission if I moved it back and the motor
mount kept the box from going up any more. I considered moving the engine
back, but that would generate the same problem as moving the box up.....


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