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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 14:49:42 -0600 (MDT)
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fordtrucks-digest Friday, August 22 1997 Volume 01 : Number 162



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In this issue:

Re: AOD 4 Speed [Don Grossman ]
Auto OD [AM14 chrysler.com]
Re: Auto OD [William Sabers ]
IDing my tranny [John Strauss ]
AOD 4-speed [John Strauss ]
Re: Auto OD [John MacNamara ]
RE: 351M to 460 swap [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: 351M to 460 swap [Randy Collins ]
More BTU's please.. [sdelanty sonic.net]
351M to 460 swap ["Dave Resch"]
Suspension and 390s - Success [Bill Rotureau ]
ID of an IFS [jack fleming ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #7 [Nick ]

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 04:51:49 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: AOD 4 Speed

William Sabers wrote:
>
> Here is my $.02 worth...
> A friend of mine (who is in the transmission repair business) said
> it can be done. He prefers the AOD trannys out of early eighties foMoCo
> vans and p-ups. He said the tranny is similar to a C-6.
> If you wait a month, I'll tell you how it goes. I have just
> located a donor truck, and I am told I need all the linkage up the
> steering column also.
> At the same time I am overhauling the transfer case. Does anyone
> in Ford-land know if the NP205 will work with a Dana 60??? (The 205 is
> gear drive, part-time, if I am not mistaken....
>
> Wsabers
> 78 Primer "pink" Bronco
> 69 Mach I Mustang

Correct on the T-case!

The 205 will work with just about any rearend you want to make a
driveshaft for :)

Really I have seen them drive 1/2 ton axles all the way up to the 2 1/2
ton jobs.
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 08:43:06 EDT
From: AM14 chrysler.com
Subject: Auto OD

Wil:

FOMOCO stopped producing the FE family in 1976 didn't they??? How we gonna
get a donor tranny from a '80's without changing to the 351M/400M or 460???
Is there an aftermarket adaptor for this combination?

WORKING TO BE THE BEST
Azie Magnusson
PROFS ID (AM14):E-Mail AM14 Chrysler.com
Tie Line (835-2578):Outside (205)464-2578

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:16:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: William Sabers
Subject: Re: Auto OD

>
> Wil:
>
> FOMOCO stopped producing the FE family in 1976 didn't they??? How we gonna
> get a donor tranny from a '80's without changing to the 351M/400M or 460???
> Is there an aftermarket adaptor for this combination?

You are right! I have a 400 in my 78 Bronc' and I am moving to
the AOD setup. I may be mistaken, but I thought the 390 had the
same bolt pattern.

Wsabers

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:15:02 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: IDing my tranny

>D would make it dallas and I'm not
>sure that they did trucks at that time.
>
My 1964 CC was built in Dallas.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 08:16:38 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: AOD 4-speed

> Does anyone know about swapping an automatic overdrive 4 speed
> transmission into a 72 - 79 pickup with a 390 FE? Has anyone done it?
> Are there any kits/parts available? Would it be cheaper / easier to
> install an aftermarket overdrive unit that mounts on the end of the
> transmission tail shaft? Looking for better fuel economy. All info
> appreciated.

I don't think you'll be able to find an AOD with a bellhousing that will
fit an FE, will you? I think the biggest thing (from the factory) in front
of an AOD will be the 351 Windsor.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 06:52:43 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Auto OD

William Sabers wrote:
>
> >
> > Wil:
> >
> > FOMOCO stopped producing the FE family in 1976 didn't they??? How we gonna
> > get a donor tranny from a '80's without changing to the 351M/400M or 460???
> > Is there an aftermarket adaptor for this combination?
>
> You are right! I have a 400 in my 78 Bronc' and I am moving to
> the AOD setup. I may be mistaken, but I thought the 390 had the
> same bolt pattern.
>
> Wsabers
>
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William: I have a 67 mustang with a C6 and a 428. The C6 from my
mustang is not the same as the C6 that would bolt to a 351/400/460. The
housing is more rounded than the late model C6's which have the "tall"
housing.

Thanks!

John MacNamara

78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 427 Corvette

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 10:27:32 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: 351M to 460 swap

if you can find the parts, swap pans. use one fromn econoline 460. make
sure you get the dipstick and tube for it and block of the old dipstick
hole in the timing chain cover. i did not swap pans, but my front axle
never comes close to the pan. i will be changing it over winter i think.
i hope to do some dirt drags next year and don't want to starve the motor
of oil as a front sump allows the pump to become uncovered under hard
acceleration. oh yeh, check to make sure the stick won't in any way get
close to the crank.

i understand that even in 77 a 460 was an option, but i have never seen one
that is factory, has anyone else?
one piece of advice you probobly already know, is make sure you can lift
the motor high enough to get it in/out! i borrowed a picker from a local
company (OK 4WD, stewartsville NJ) and even after putting 28" tires with
almost no air pressure in them on the front i almost didn't get past the
radiator support. i tried with the hood on, but i needed to take that off
too.

btw, what are you using for exhaust manifolds/headers?

sleddog
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From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net[SMTP:reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:42 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: 351M to 460 swap

I'm getting ready for the "BIG" swap planned for this weekend.
Saturday is the "gather the parts" day. I'm putting a 460 from a '77
Lincoln into a '78 F150 4x4. According to the Ford dealer the 460 was
an option for the '78 F150 so will I be able to use the stock 460
motor mounts? Will I have to change oil pans? and boy there sure are
alot of hoses on that 460. Any last minute advice?






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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:20:50 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: 351M to 460 swap

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Sleddog

I have seen a factory F250 4WD with a 460. I can't remember if it was a '78 or '79.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



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From:Kevin Kemmerer [SMTP:kevkem epix.net]
Sent:Friday, August 22, 1997 7:28 AM
To:'fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject:RE: 351M to 460 swap

if you can find the parts, swap pans. use one fromn econoline 460. make
sure you get the dipstick and tube for it and block of the old dipstick
hole in the timing chain cover. i did not swap pans, but my front axle
never comes close to the pan. i will be changing it over winter i think.
i hope to do some dirt drags next year and don't want to starve the motor
of oil as a front sump allows the pump to become uncovered under hard
acceleration. oh yeh, check to make sure the stick won't in any way get
close to the crank.

i understand that even in 77 a 460 was an option, but i have never seen one
that is factory, has anyone else?
one piece of advice you probobly already know, is make sure you can lift
the motor high enough to get it in/out! i borrowed a picker from a local
company (OK 4WD, stewartsville NJ) and even after putting 28" tires with
almost no air pressure in them on the front i almost didn't get past the
radiator support. i tried with the hood on, but i needed to take that off
too.

btw, what are you using for exhaust manifolds/headers?

sleddog
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From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net[SMTP:reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 1997 5:42 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: 351M to 460 swap

I'm getting ready for the "BIG" swap planned for this weekend.
Saturday is the "gather the parts" day. I'm putting a 460 from a '77
Lincoln into a '78 F150 4x4. According to the Ford dealer the 460 was
an option for the '78 F150 so will I be able to use the stock 460
motor mounts? Will I have to change oil pans? and boy there sure are
alot of hoses on that 460. Any last minute advice?






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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 09:56:21 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: More BTU's please..

Hey truck folks,

The days are getting shorter and cooler and I'm starting to think
about how I'm going to stay warm in my '71 F100 w/FE390 this winter..

My '71 has a really pathetic heater.
Everything is in good working order, but it doesn't do a very good
job keeping things (ME) warm.

It's got a new heater core and control valve but the core
is itty-bitty and just isn't up to the task when it's really cold out.
I run a 195F thermostat during the winter and that helps a little,
but I'm trying to decide what else I can do before cold weather
gets here.

Are there any heavier duty heater parts or setups that use a bigger
core that will fit my '71?

Any tips or suggestions on how to make mine work better?

Is everyone (anyone?) else out there with old trucks staying warm?

I'm starting to eyeball those 2 Bosch gasoline heaters I've got
laying in the garage. They came out of old VW busses but they
are starting to look more and more like Ford parts....


Dreaming of firewood,

Steve Delanty
1971 F100 FE390

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:48:32 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: 351M to 460 swap

>From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
>Subject: 351M to 460 swap
>an option for the '78 F150 so will I be able to use the stock 460
>motor mounts? Will I have to change oil pans?
If the 460 was a factory option, you should be able to use the truck
factory mounts, not the car mounts (frame differences, etc.). For the same
reason(s), the car and truck oil pans were different. On the M-blocks, for
example, the cars had 5-qt pans while the trucks had 6-qt pans on the same
engines.
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>From: Don Grossman
>Subject: Re: 300 to 302 conversion
>I thought that the 300 six, 302-351w, 351c all used the same
>bellhousing? I have a 351c in the garage and the bellhousing from the
>300 bolts right up.

One thing to watch for on bell housings is the depth. Well known is the
fact that the M-block (351M/400) bell housing bolt pattern matches the
429/460 pattern. According to a Ford dealership parts guy (of unknown
reliability), the bell housings are actually different for those two engine
families. He told me that the 429/460 bell housing was longer than the
M-block bell housing, with the clutch release lever in a different place.
I don't know for sure if that's true (no other confirmation), but I'd check
it out if I was doing a swap.

Another thing to watch out for is the clutch itself. The 351M came with an
11" clutch and the 400 came with a 12" clutch. I'm not sure what size the
clutch should be with a 460.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M

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Date: Fri, 22 Aug 1997 11:35:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Rotureau
Subject: Suspension and 390s - Success

Hey gang,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the replys to my questions regarding
a 4 bar rear suspension and problem with missing/surging 390 in my '64
Tbird. I located and fixed the problem with the 390. It was all in
adjustments in timing - had WAY to much being contributed by the
vacuum advance device and static timing was 11 degress - got all set
as per my shop manual and the old 'bird sings a whole new song.

Gona take the advice of many who gave alternatives to the four bar
rear and continure to investigate options...

Thanks again to all...

===
Bill in Texas
'64 Thunderbird Hardtop
'64 F100 Shortbox


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