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fordtrucks-digest Saturday, September 20 1997 Volume 01 : Number 229



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In this issue:

Re: Synthetic Oil ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: the brady bunch 9" differential ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Synthetic Oil [Kelly Farough ]
1935 fender shopping [olsonc well.com (Carol Olson)]
Assorted questions ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]
Re: Synthetic Oil ["deconblu" ]
RE: Assorted questions [DC Beatty ]
semi-metallic shoes [DC Beatty ]
Re: Another Acronym [Dan Wentz ]
Re: semi-metallic shoes ["deconblu" ]
Re: 1935 fender shopping ["deconblu" ]
Re: Assorted questions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: semi-metallic shoes ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Synthetic Oil ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Synthetic Oil ["deconblu" ]
ADMIN: List split information [Ken Payne ]
RE: Seat Cover sources [jack fleming ]

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:00:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: Synthetic Oil
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:46:32 -0500

> now. My question is; Why the difference in price? Mobil 1, Quaker
> State, and Castrol are all $4/qt., Pennzoil Performax is $3/qt. .
> These are all 100% synthetic oils, not blends. Is the Pennzoil

I've been using Penzoil Turbo PZL for many years now and can't
complain. The main advantage is that synthetics are "naturally"
resistant to break down since they require less additives to give
them the temp and cleaning capabilities required and the additives
are what break down and ruin the oil.

Typical synthetic will go up to 7k miles on a change where petroleum
is only good for 3k miles. There is a great FAQ out there in a
tractor site which really gets into it and explains the additives and
the ratios etc. Mobil 1 comes out on top but only by a small margine
over PZL and for a $3 price difference per qt I'll stick to PZL
thanks!

Wish I hadn't lost the URL when cleaning house one day :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:02:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: the brady bunch 9" differential

> From: "Brett McCoy"
> Subject: RE: the brady bunch 9" differential
> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:22:27 -0500

> pick on up in a junk yard from a F-350 or even a tow truck. Then
> you could run larger U-joints as well. By the way, do you only use
> four wheel drive on the dirt pulls? If so then you should be able

Where does one find gears, bearings, axles and other parts for a 2.5
ton military axle? I've thought about these but they are SO BIG! I
can't really imagine fitting them under my bronco and keeping the
same ride height :-) (bet they wouldn't break tho)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:12:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kelly Farough
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil

Up here in the great white north one the best advantages to synthetics
is their increased viscosity. At -30f. it's scary to see your oil
pressure sit at 0 psi for 20-30 seconds after your engine is running.
With the synthetics oil pressure is immediate.

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Dale and Donna Carmine wrote:

>
> List Guys & Gals,
>
> Just got back from Wal-Mart. While there I was looking at the synthetic
> motor oils, I have never used them but I am considering it now.
> My question is; Why the difference in price? Mobil 1, Quaker State, and
> Castrol are all $4/qt., Pennzoil Performax is $3/qt. . These are all 100%
> synthetic oils, not blends. Is the Pennzoil product the equivalent of the
> others? Are synthetics worth the cost? I'm getting good engine life with
> good old petro based oil but hope to improve fuel economy and stretch the
> time between oil changes. Are these realistic goals?
>
> Thanks in advance for your opinions and experience.
>
> dale c
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: olsonc well.com (Carol Olson)
Subject: 1935 fender shopping

Hi. I'm new to this list and don't even own a ford, much less a truck
(though I do plan on buying a late model one soon).



I am trying to locate both rear fenders for a 1935 ford truck. My
brother-in-law has a truck that he has just started restoring and one of
the things it's missing are these fenders. Oh, he has fenders (purchased
at Pomona, I think) but they're fiberglas and he really wants the original
metal. I would like to surprise him with a pair as a gift for some work
he's done for me.

Anyone have a pair they have in the garage they'd want to part with? What
should I plan on spending for them?

I can take answers to both these questions off line.

Thanks,

Carol





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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:32:14 -0400
From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
Subject: Assorted questions

A few days back someone suggested gently heating the kingpins with a torch
to soften the grease, and thus making it easier to pump in new grease. My
'54 F-250, which has been sitting since Gerald Ford was president, has
exactly 28 gazillion (I counted!) grease fittings, 85% of which refuse to
take grease. I REALLY don't want to remove all those zerks if I don't have
to! Will applying heat to them loosen up all that petrified lubricant?
Any ideas on removing thoroughly rusted-in parking light sockets?
When I start looking for another rear end fo this truck, (It has 4:86
gears, and I HATE driving slowly!) what Ford truck would be a good donor?
I have no idea what the rear track is on this, and how it compares to later
trucks, but I don't want to narrow the rear end if I don't have to.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:25:44 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil

> now. My question is; Why the difference in price? Mobil 1, Quaker
> State, and Castrol are all $4/qt., Pennzoil Performax is $3/qt. .
> These are all 100% synthetic oils, not blends. Is the Pennzoil

Their synthetic components have a great deal to do with price. July '97
5.0 Mustang has an article where they tested Red Line synthetic products at
Ken Bell and found they reduced temperatures and increased horsepower and
torque.
Here are a couple of links that give some insight to the what, how and
why of synthetic ludercants. I would strongly recomend reading up on the
various products before buying by price. The dollars you save may just be
throwing the money you spend down the drain!


http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mobil.com/consumer/mobil1/mobil1/mobil1faq.html

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.redlineoil.com/engoil.htm

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:45:00 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: RE: Assorted questions

I used WD40 on mine. They were stuck in pretty good in my '67. I let it
soak and then slowly and carefully worked them back and forth until they
came free. =


Good Luck,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302


sockets?>>
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:29:03 -0400
From: DC Beatty
Subject: semi-metallic shoes

I recently installed semi-metallic front brake shoes on drum brakes. Afte=
r
a couple hundred miles, they began to squeal when stopping. It's annoying=
=2E
I was wondering if anybody on the list had experience with these. Does it=

go away after awhile? =


They are NAPA lifetime brakes. I thought it was a good idea to get the
lifetime warranty, now I am hoping that I am not in for a lifetime of bra=
ke
squeal. =


Thanks for any help,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 09:32:25 -0700
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: Another Acronym

> Okay, let's pick on a foreign car:
>Fix
>It
>Again
>Tony
>
Oh, by all means, lets!

Failure
In
Automotive
Technology

or, how about

Too
Often
Yankees
Overprice
This
Auto

or just for fun:

Brutal
Money
Waster

I must add my favorite one ever, then I can stop:

Hope
You
Understand
Nothing's
Drivable
And
Inexpensive

Okay, I have it out of my system now.

~Dan

1992 Ford Mustang LX
1950 Ford F1, 351C-2V
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:18:29 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: semi-metallic shoes

Squealing brakes;
1) Glazed brake lining
2) Saturated brake lining
3) Weak or broken brake shoe retaining spring
4) Weak or broken brake shoe return spring
5) Incorrect brake lining
6) Distorted brake shoe
7) Bent support plate
8) Dust in brakes or scored brake drum
9) Lining worn below limit
10) Uneven brake lining wear
11) Heat spotted brake drums

Only way to tell is to pull the drums. drop them on the ground to knock out
the dust (hold your breath) take some sandpaper to the linings to take off
any glaze. Inspect the springs and put them back together. See if they stop
squealing!
You can try standing by them, stick out your tongue put your thumbs in your
ears and say ... I can't say it! even if it is quick!
Good luck! My vote is #1.



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- -----Original Message-----
From: DC Beatty
To: 'FORD TRUCKS'
Date: Saturday, September 20, 1997 9:32 AM
Subject: semi-metallic shoes



I recently installed semi-metallic front brake shoes on drum brakes. After
a couple hundred miles, they began to squeal when stopping. It's annoying.
I was wondering if anybody on the list had experience with these. Does it
go away after awhile?

They are NAPA lifetime brakes. I thought it was a good idea to get the
lifetime warranty, now I am hoping that I am not in for a lifetime of brake
squeal.

Thanks for any help,

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302



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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 10:40:38 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 1935 fender shopping

Sorry I can't help Carol!
I wanted you to know your not being ignored :) Fenders for a '35 may be
a chevy (little play on words, (hunt))! On the Ford Truck Webpage our
sponsor may be able to help. There is also a page of part suppliers that may
be in your area that can help! On Monday there will be more people that may
be able to help. They read the list at work so you may get something then.
Nice Vette! Wish I had the money! :(
Good Luck! Your Brother-in-law is one lucky guy!



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or send me a fan or flame at deconblu gte.net not both. Never fan a flame!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Carol Olson
To: fordtrucks ListService.net ;
fordtrucks-digest ListService.net
Date: Saturday, September 20, 1997 7:52 AM
Subject: 1935 fender shopping



>Hi. I'm new to this list and don't even own a ford, much less a truck
>(though I do plan on buying a late model one soon).
>
>
>
>I am trying to locate both rear fenders for a 1935 ford truck. My
>brother-in-law has a truck that he has just started restoring and one of
>the things it's missing are these fenders. Oh, he has fenders (purchased
>at Pomona, I think) but they're fiberglas and he really wants the original
>metal. I would like to surprise him with a pair as a gift for some work
>he's done for me.
>
>Anyone have a pair they have in the garage they'd want to part with? What
>should I plan on spending for them?
>
>I can take answers to both these questions off line.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>-------------------
>Hi! Wanna buy a car?
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.well.com/user/olsonc/
>Tennessee Walkers and Bavarian Motorcycles
>and, of course, orange cats.
>
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:27:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Assorted questions

> From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
> Subject: Assorted questions
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:32:14 -0400

> A few days back someone suggested gently heating the kingpins with
> a torch
> to soften the grease, and thus making it easier to pump in new
> grease. My '54 F-250, which has been sitting since Gerald Ford was
> president, has exactly 28 gazillion (I counted!) grease fittings,
> 85% of which refuse to take grease. I REALLY don't want to remove
> all those zerks if I don't have to! Will applying heat to them
> loosen up all that petrified lubricant?

Replacing the zerks may be the place to start since they may be
rusted shut now and heating the grease won't solve the problem in
that case. Many of the older trucks probably had bronze ball sockets
for the tie rods but most now have plastic so care is in order here
as well if you heat them just in case. It doesnt' take much heat
usually but heat it evenly so you don't get any one spot too hot. I
would think if you can get the whole area up to 250 degrees or so it
would be sufficient and if in requires more then you will probably
wind up replacing the parts anyway. If you get it too hot you can
try to cool it by quickly pumping some new grease in to absorbe some
of the heat which is really part of the idea anyway to protect the
plastic parts. Don't let it sit and soak hot in any case very long
to prevent possible damage.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:31:30 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: semi-metallic shoes

> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:29:03 -0400
> From: DC Beatty
> Subject: semi-metallic shoes

> I recently installed semi-metallic front brake shoes on drum brakes.
> After a couple hundred miles, they began to squeal when stopping.
> It's annoying. I was wondering if anybody on the list had experience
> with these. Does it go away after awhile?

Did they improve the stopping power? My brakes are horrible IMHO and
everything is in good condition so metalics might be my next step?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 15:34:40 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil

> From: "deconblu"
> Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil
> Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 08:25:44 -0700

> Here are a couple of links that give some insight to the what,
> how and
> why of synthetic ludercants. I would strongly recomend reading up on
> the various products before buying by price. The dollars you save
> may just be throwing the money you spend down the drain!

Looking at the Oil company FAQ's is a good place to start and you can
get good info that way but don't believe every thing you rea on one
of those things, they're trying to sell their stuff and don't mind
lying about it just like slick 50 et all.

There are some .EDU sites out there with more believable info but I
lost the URL's I had so can't help there, sorry :-(

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 13:32:04 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Synthetic Oil

>Looking at the Oil company FAQ's is a good place to start and you can
>get good info that way but don't believe every thing you rea on one
>of those things, they're trying to sell their stuff and don't mind
>lying about it just like slick 50 et all.
>
>There are some .EDU sites out there with more believable info but I
>lost the URL's I had so can't help there, sorry :-(


That's to bad you can't remember the URL's that compare Red Line
Synthetic oil with Slick 50. It would be interesting to see.
Trust me I don't believe everything I read. Not even when they have .EDU
in the URL! I only suggest reading before buying and provided links to some
information. If it appeared that I trusted advertisements you've mistaken my
intent. You wouldn't expect for me to believe Pennzoil is better than Red
Line because I read a post that someone read someplace that there was
something about it!
So what was the lie that you seen at the links that were on my post? Or
was this just off the cuff!


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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:49:48 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: ADMIN: List split information

The 3rd list is currently being tested. If you are on the current
1979 and older list and you want to be on the 1961-1979 list, don't
email me! You will get moved over automatically, full instructions
will appear at that time via the list. If you are on the 1980 and
newer truck list, no action is required as nothing will change for
you.

If you want to be on the 1960 and older list in addition to or
instead of the 1961-1979/1980+ lists, I need the following information:

1. Do you want the digest or live list
2. Do you want to get removed from the 1961-1979 list? If so, are you
a digest or live member (this helps me because I won't have to look
it up).

Email this info to: kpayne mindspring.com

The 3rd list should be up and running sometime tomorrow. For those who
receive the 1960 and older list, traffic on that list will probably be
very slow for at least a couple of weeks. This same trend occurred with
the 1980 and newer list when it was first formed. The 1980+ list now has
more members then the 1979- list and about the same amount of traffic.
That list took about a month to get going real well. As before, I'll
notify all the auto news groups of the new list, which helps to pick up
members.

Unfortunately for everyone who plans on staying with the 1961-79
list, the address is changing. This was needed so I could have a logical
name for the list... more on this when the change-over email gets sent.

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Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:18:57 -0400
From: jack fleming
Subject: RE: Seat Cover sources

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Gary... et al-
Sorry for the delay, I've been traveling on business. I haven't found =
anything yet to use for my truck's seat covers. When I said covers, =
what I meant was some type of "kit" that would enable me to rehab the =
seat with "like new" materials. Custom Interiors claims to have a line =
of these things available, but I still haven't gotten anything from them =
(after calling them twice)...I'll keep you posted on what I find. Jack

- ----------
From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 3:37 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: Seat Cover sources

> From: jack fleming
> Subject: Seat Cover sources
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:11:43 -0400

> sitting on 2x4s atop a welded base) and have purchased an original
> bench seat - however it is in desperate need of new covering, spring
> reconditioning, etc. I've only found one source so far; CI in
> Mass.....I called them 3 weeks ago, they promised a catalogue, but
> no word yet......

Have you contacted any reupolstery places yet? I wanted my 78 redone=20
and asked for quotes. The bottom was around $200 as I recall and the=20
back was a little cheaper with repairs and new foam etc.. I'm a=20
little rusty on the price right now and I think it was actually less=20
but I'm sure it was not more than that. I've never cared for seat=20
covers because they won't stay put and never seem to fit right. They=20
never give you enough extra material to actually wrap under the=20
edges. If I could find a GOOD seat cover I might be interested=20
myself but a GOOD one will probably cost almost as much as a=20
restoration?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --





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