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fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, September 17 1997 Volume 01 : Number 223



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In this issue:

Put the truck thru a test! ["deconblu" ]
Re: Question For Group ["George Shepherd" ]
Compression Ratios [Tom Hogan ]
Pre-oiler [Tom Hogan ]
Re: C6 never making it to 3rd, missing shift linkage? [reedg ns2.cetlink.]
56 ford f100 - need opinions [Sleddog ]
RE: Pre-oiler [Sleddog ]
52 F-1 and a Chrysler Torsion Bar Front Suspension ["Scott Pilkinton"
Re: PVS Switch, 351M ["Dale and Donna Carmine" ]
Re: F350 Booster Use???Brakes?? [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: Compression Ratios [Daver ]
Re: ex manifold/header for 352/390 [Daver ]
Re: Riddle me this!!!! [Daver ]
Re: Dual Exhaust for my 74 ["Brett McCoy" ]
RE: 460. ["....." ]
Re: Riddle me this!!!! (Spare tire carrier) ["MICHAEL FRISCH"

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:10:06 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Put the truck thru a test!

Got this sweet delivery deal going. Take a pallet of plastic bags out to El
Somethingo less than 60 miles round trip using my truck '73 F100 302 2bbl
Shorty headers duel exhaust. It ran flawlessly! The electric fan kept the
temp right at the first normal line only going up to the "E" in temp in some
bumper to bumper. The ride was so nice in fact I missed El Whatevero and
ended up in Santa Monica (Venice Beach)!
Got back to El Taco nothing said! Life's just to Sweeeeet!
OK! It was El Monte. A little over shot coming from Ontario, but it could
have happened to anyone. Damn it I didn't take a camera and I've been
wanting to get a picture of my truck with a good background. Oh well, next
delivery I'll drop off the pallet, then head to the beach! Oh, and take a
camera. But if I forget, the next...



Deacon Blues
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or send me a fan or flame at deconblu gte.net not both. Never fan a flame!

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:43:41 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Question For Group

Joe,

Replies to you get kicked back, no wonder you aren't getting replies. Check
your mail server.
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> From: George Shepherd
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Cc: shoman p3.net
> Subject: Re: Question For Group
> Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 9:29 PM
>
> Joe,
>
> Don't remember questions from you, maybe they aren't getting through. Ask
> again, I got lots of books and lots of answers-some good-some not so
good.
>
> ----------
> > From: Joe D
> > To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> > Subject: Question For Group
> > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 1997 6:16 AM
> >
> > I have a question....Am I doing something wrong? I post messages and
> > never seem to get any answers. Am I not receiving them or do I ask
> > to hard of a question or WHAT????Just venting I guess...I thought
> > there would be alot of help from the group but it seems like no one
> > really cares about the 67-72's......
> > Thanks for listening
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:55:00 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Compression Ratios

How would increasing conpression ratio affect exhaust emissions? I know
if the engine doesn't ping that you can get more power out of it but
will fuel efficiency go up too?
Does anyone besides Sleddog have experience running higher compression
ratios? I'm wondering if the 460 has a more efficient design that can
live with the higher ratio. I saw a buildup in "Hot Rod" where they
built a long rod 350 C***y motor with 11:1 compression that ran well
with cat piss gass (85 octane) so I think it can be done. Also, what is
a good compression ratio limit for a 390 FE?

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:20:55 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Pre-oiler

Has anyone heard about or had experience with an electric pre-oiler that
would pressurize the oil system in the motor before starting it?
I remember seeing one in a Truckin' magazine a long time ago. It
consisted of an electric pump that connected to the drain plug on the
oil pan. It drew the oil in from the sump and pumped it into the engine
at the oil pressure sender or the filter (I can't remember).
The idea was to turn the pump on before starting the engine. The oil
would be circulating and protecting the main and cam bearings when the
starter was engaged. After the motor was running the pre-oiler was shut
off.
It also had some neat features. You could use it to empy the sump at
oil change time (imagine not having to let the oil run over the cross
member and muck it all up!!!!). It could also be programmed to come on
at shut down and run for a set time. Mainly to protect turbcharger
bearings.
I was wondering if anyone had seen one or if you knew if the company was
still in business.
Any ideas on fabricating one from scratch using an electic pump and a
remote oil filter adapter to route the oil back into the motor?
Or is it like my dad used to tell me..."It's a good idea son. There's
just one problem, it ain't worth a !+ !!" ?

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:57:38 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
Subject: Re: C6 never making it to 3rd, missing shift linkage?

I talked to a transmission technician yesterday, ( I have my own
trans problems) He said it could be your reverse-high clutch or your
direct clutch seals or plates. Whatever the heck that means.

> Group:
>
> Quick update on this silly C6 that can't get it up ... into third.
>
> I checked the fluid again, and then again. Got the transmission as level as
> I could (engine, trans, transfer case all mounted to angle down towards the
> rear diff. to reduce UV joint angularity) and the fluid level seemed a bit
> high (1/4" - 1/2" over full mark.) So, after pooling over all the great
> advice I have gotten (thanks much folks), I picked up a 76 Ford service
> manual from the library and a Fram filter/seal kit from the parts store and
> get ready to get dirty ...
>
> Don't have a vacuum gauge, but after removing the flexible hose to the
> vacuum diaphragm, with the engine running, I noticed a suction, but also
> noticed that the rubber hose had become very flexible and appears to maybe
> caving in on itself under the suction. So, with high hopes, replace hose
> with newer hose that doesn't noticeably crush under the suction and drove
> around town. Still no third.
>
> With advice to inspect filter and then move to modulator, I removed the
> trans. oil pan last night. Holy Cow! Must have dumped about 6+ quarts of
> fluid (including what was in the pan when I could finally get it off.)
> Filled one Peak antifreeze container to the top plus three 1 quart oil
> containers with all the fluid. The Ford service manual says the whole trans
> and t.converter hold 6.something quarts. (BTW, didn't touch the torque
> converter, assuming it has ever more fluid in it.)
>
> Now the big question, the service manual refers to too much fluid as causing
> fluid aeration that will reduce the oil pressure (I assume this will in turn
> cause the trans to not function correctly, but the text does draw any
> conclusions from the low oil pressure) and cause fluid to spill out the
> overflow vent. I have noticed no fluid coming out the overflow vent. Does
> this mean I might have some minimal to serious internal trans. problems due
> to the "way extra" fluid? What makes me believe I might be in trouble is
> that the Ford service manual says I should replace the filter, replace the
> gasket, put the pan back on and fill it with 3 quarters of fluid and then
> just check level in case a little topping off is required. Dumped like 6+
> quarts, replace with 3 quarts, what the heck was the other 3+ quarts doing
> in there? Too late to strangle the guy I bought the van from ...
>
> If anyone has any cool tips to help me out, I would greatly appreciate it!
>
> John

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:48:57 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: 56 ford f100 - need opinions

hello all,

i just came across a 56 ford truck for sale. he is asking $2500 and i was
wondering if i give you some info if you can give me an opinion. i havn't
seen it yet - may check it out on sunday.

it has fiberglass fenders, no bed, cab is (in his words) a-1 shape. the
front suspension is stock ford (no mustang or nova stuff here) and it has a
72 351C and 5-speed manual. he said when he cut out the rocker panels, the
cab must have shifted and the doors don't meet properly now. the grill and
other parts need to be cleaned-chromed. it has been sitting for 5 years or
so now in garage. interior is also said to be stock and in good shape.

it is a small window 56 (i really have been looking for a big window - are
there any left for sale at a decent price?).

any comments or suggestions of what to look for in these trucks would be
appreciated as i am not real familiar with these years.

i hope to get a closer look at it on sunday. i have to now rebuild my 9"
(can you say "totally disintegrated differential"?) and the last truck pull
for this year is on saturday so this has to wait for sunday.

thank you in advance for any help!

sleddog

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:59:50 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: Pre-oiler

i belsive they are in business - saw one of them there things in summit
catalog a while ago i think.
you could make one from scratch - pull out the grainger catalog and go to
work . . . i think they are only 500 dollars new . . . maybe i'll just
wait awhile . .

that's what i was thinking when i wanted one for my slightly warmed over
turbo dodge shadow several years ago.

sleddog

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From: Tom Hogan[SMTP:tom.hogan kla-tencor.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 1997 7:20 PM
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Subject: Pre-oiler

Has anyone heard about or had experience with an electric pre-oiler that
would pressurize the oil system in the motor before starting it?
I remember seeing one in a Truckin' magazine a long time ago. It
consisted of an electric pump that connected to the drain plug on the
oil pan. It drew the oil in from the sump and pumped it into the engine
at the oil pressure sender or the filter (I can't remember).
The idea was to turn the pump on before starting the engine. The oil
would be circulating and protecting the main and cam bearings when the
starter was engaged. After the motor was running the pre-oiler was shut
off.
It also had some neat features. You could use it to empy the sump at
oil change time (imagine not having to let the oil run over the cross
member and muck it all up!!!!). It could also be programmed to come on
at shut down and run for a set time. Mainly to protect turbcharger
bearings.
I was wondering if anyone had seen one or if you knew if the company was
still in business.
Any ideas on fabricating one from scratch using an electic pump and a
remote oil filter adapter to route the oil back into the motor?
Or is it like my dad used to tell me..."It's a good idea son. There's
just one problem, it ain't worth a !+ !!" ?






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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:06:48 PDT
From: "Scott Pilkinton"
Subject: 52 F-1 and a Chrysler Torsion Bar Front Suspension

Hello all,

I have a 52 F-1 and am looking at buying a kit from Gibbon Fiberglass
which they make that is supposed to "bolt in" to the original frame and
then you use the torsion bar suspension out from under some of the
bigger mid seventy's Chrysler manufactured cars. Seems more attractive
to me that the MII. Anyone used this before I shell out $500 bucks for
it?



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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:55:37 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: Re: PVS Switch, 351M

Dave,

Thank you for your excellent post.
Your info was very helpful even if the two systems aren't exactly the same.
My truck doesn't have any underhood decals for tune-up or vacuum routing
info. The original engine was a 302, the 351M was swapped in by the
previous owner. There is no ID tag on the coil bracket, the carb tag is
D5** **, I believe that puts the carb as a '75 model. The engine may or
may not be a '75. Can anyone tell me how to ID the model year on this
engine?


>BTW, the spark port on my Motorcraft 2150 is on the side, under the elec
>choke. I think the port on the front is for the purge canister vacuum.

I moved the distributor advance to the side port. The engine obviously
likes the stronger vacuum advance it gets from this port. The throttle
response is much better. What vacuum do you get at idle? I'm seeing 17"
at best which seems low to me. Also the carb mixture wants to be way rich
from where it should be to get a decent idle, another sign that I may still
have a vacuum leak?

>When I finally had some time on a weekend, I started retracing the entire
>diagram. In the process, I discovered that there were several incorrect
>connections, a missing tee connector, a connector that was blocked off w/
a
>ball bearing, and a reversed one-way valve (that had to help!).

Your situation sounds very similar to what I'm facing now! Hopefully I can
find a vacuum diagram that comes close to the system I have.

>After I inally got everything sorted out, the truck ran better, had better
cold
>temp driveability, and better warm up.

Exactly what I'm looking for! Basically, I don't care if the truck is OEM
original, what I am interested in is learning how these various systems are
supposed to work and making the truck work good. If I can do that and
leave the emissions systems intact then thats what I want to do. I don't
believe in pulling all the emissions equipment off just because it's there.

> I still had to tweak the main idlespeed screw to get the idle back up
where it should be w/ the EGR working,
>though.
I thought that the EGR was supposed to be closed at idle? Doesn't sound
right to me.

>Hmmmm... (Wonder if that's anything like prohibiting a
>true dual exhaust w/ dual cats on emission-controlled vehicles because
that
>might actually improve effeciency, fuel consumption, and reduce
>emissions... oh, never mind!)
I have an easy solution to this one. After 13 years in So. Cal we
abandoned the rat race to the other rats. The midwest has no smog
inspection, no city hassles. NAPA is 4 blocks from the house and the
parts chimps are well trained and professional :-)

Thanks again for your help!

dale c

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:01:44 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: F350 Booster Use???Brakes??

Joe,
I think you may have some problems with an F350 master cylinder and
booster. I think the bore on the cylinder is different then on the F100.
Best bet is go to parts store and compare specs between the two.

Dana

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:03:24 -0500
From: Daver
Subject: Re: Compression Ratios

Tom Hogan wrote:
>
> How would increasing conpression ratio affect exhaust emissions? I know
> if the engine doesn't ping that you can get more power out of it but
> will fuel efficiency go up too?

If it does'nt ping on trash gas it does'nt mean your getting more
power. It could mean your running 6:1 compression.

At the risk of being egged if you choose your cam then prep the engine
the run a 10:1 dynamic compression ratio the static ratio can be 12:1
and the 390 will run on 91 or 92 octane fuel just fine as long as it's
calculated to be 91 or 92 on the motor number or an average of the motor
number and research number.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:10:48 -0500
From: Daver
Subject: Re: ex manifold/header for 352/390

Brian Koss wrote:
>
> The best factory exhaust maifold would be the manifolds off a 428. The
> drivers side is very muck like a header. The passenger side is more like
> the 390 GT which is not nearly as long due to restraints from the starter.
> The bolt patterns on each are different from the standard 352 and 390s.
> They have a side to side or top to bottom bolt patern (don't remember
> which) The rear most bolts on the pasenger side are also different between
> the 390GT and 428 manifolds. It is possible to redrill the heads to accept
> these maifolds ( i've done it). The manifolds are easy to come by at
> Perogies, FE enterprise or Karl Bakers (buy a Mustang Monthly or email me
> for the phone numbers) Be ready to get a bank loan since 428 parts are not
> cheap.

It wasn't the engine it was the car. In many of the mustangs that were
FE equipted either one and or all the bolts in the exaust were horizonal
due to clearance problems. if you look at most FE exaust gaskets you'll
find they go either way. the vertical patern is the best as it pulls
down better.

Molater

Daver

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:17:47 -0500
From: Daver
Subject: Re: Riddle me this!!!!

George Schott wrote:
>
> O.K. Ford truck Guru's here's something I don't understand. I got a 302
> from a car to put into a truck everyone here said I needed to change the
> oil pan so I ordered a pan for a 71 motor in a 69 f-100 2 wd. I got the
> pan and it looks exactly the same as the one that is on the motor I
> called the parts guy and said you screwed up my order he said no the car
> holds 5 qts. the truck holds 6 qts. WHY? WHY does the truck hold 1 more
> qt. of oil in the same motor?
>
> Duke's
> Fine 69

FE's had a dozen different pans the truck version came in two different
configurations A) the sump ran the leangth of the block and held 12
quarts of oil B) the sump was at the rear of the block and held 5
quarts. the car sump was at the front of the block hents the reason the
67 I have drains on the crossmember below it because it is not a truck
pan.

Molater

Daver

P.S. Deacon Blue (aka Jim) I fan the flames quite often that is why my
A%$ is red.

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:41:21 -0500
From: "Brett McCoy"
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust for my 74

Keith Said,

>There isn't enough room between the Gas Tank and
>the Drive Shaft to run an exhaust pipe for the drivers side. Anybody have
any
>suggestions??

I seem to remember reading about a guy who was installing custom two into
one systems on 4X4's. The idea it to run dual pipe from the manifold or
headers back to a Y-pipe. The dual pipe would be about 2-1/4" id. Then
you dump into the Y-pipe that takes you up to a single 3" size. Run a
single large free flowing muffler and exit with 3" pipe behind the rear
wheel on the passenger side. Simple to set up if you get someone to bend
the first two sections of pipe and the one over the rear axle. According
to the published tests this setup produced about 10 more horse at the rear
wheel then a complete 2-1/4" dual exhaust system. I believe this will also
resolve the problem of having unequal pressure on one side. I plan on
giving this system a try on my '79 with a stock 460 as soon as my current
dual exhaust system dies. That probably wont be to long.....I live in
Minnesota ;-)

- -B

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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:59:48 -0700
From: "....."
Subject: RE: 460.

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I have a 69 460, 365 hp motor.
Can I put a cam with a intake valve lift of .498 and an exhaust valve =
lift of .526 without valve spring bind? The cam is a Crower with a power =
range of 1500 low end and a 5500 red line. The intake is an Edelbrock =
Performer RPM.

In a 79 F-150, 4WD I used a Comp cam with a .494 intake and .494 =
exhaust and with head work and a 780 cfm Holley, it pulled hard from =
idle through 5500. It was excellent for racing comp hill at Pismo =
beach.

Larry
larrymeg ecis.com
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Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:36:20 PDT
From: "MICHAEL FRISCH"
Subject: Re: Riddle me this!!!! (Spare tire carrier)

This is getting out of hand, reply on reply, sooo (snip) (snip)

>>> Is this the way to do it, or is there a simpler way that was
probably
>>>described in the owner's manual, which probably got stolen by the
>>>original owner in 1968, along with the jack and jack handle?
>>>
>>> My Courier has a little winch that you hook into the tire and it
>>>cranks it up.
>>
>>Mine is the same way, same fate! I was wondering if it is possible to
>remove
>>the wench from a Courier (I think Toyota is the same) and mounting to
>my
>>'73? I have obtained a piece of aluminum channel for the bar but the
>wench
>>would save from possible mishap the loss of blood and possible body
>parts!
>>
>>The tailgate sounds Oh, so Cool, Master (breathing sounds of Darth
>Vader)!
>>
>>Deacon Blues
>>Visit my Homepage at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
>>and http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/
>>or send me a fan or flame at deconblu gte.net not both. Never fan a
>flame!
>>
>
>
>My Dad's 76 had the "He-Man and the Masters of the Universe" spare tire
>carrier. I can remember a couple of times we actually used a hydraulic
>jack to raise the tire and hold it while we locked the rod in place.
My
>76 has some sort of "Delux" carrier. It has a flip up latch and a pin
>that holds it in place. There is a shackle for a padlock. The tire
>sits on a telescoping bar and when you want to remove it just pull the....


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