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fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, September 16 1997 Volume 01 : Number 219



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In this issue:

Riddle me this!!!! [dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)]
Question For Group [Joe D ]
Re: Riddle me this!!!! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 intake suggestions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: C6 never making it to 3rd, missing shift linkage? [Sleddog
RE: 460 intake suggestions [Sleddog ]
RE: 460 intake suggestions [Sleddog ]
Re: 460 intake suggestions [pharrell bae.uga.edu (Graphics & Research Fab]
Re: 460 intake suggestions [Woody ]
'89 f-250 gastank [Brian Perwak ]
Dual Exhaust for my 74 [Keith Srb ]
Re: 460 intake suggestions ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: '89 f-250 gastank ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 intake suggestions [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re: Dual Exhaust for my 74 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: '89 f-250 gastank ["John F. Bauer III" ]
ex manifold/header for 352/390 [Brian Koss ]
Re: ex manifold/header for 352/390 [John MacNamara ]
Torque, clutch bolts etc. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
428CJ manifold?? Or? [sdelanty sonic.net]

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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:50:00 -0500
From: dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us (Dave Williams)
Subject: Riddle me this!!!!

- -> holds 5 qts. the truck holds 6 qts. WHY? WHY does the truck hold 1
- -> more qt. of oil in the same motor?

I dunno about the truck, but in the Mustang the standard 351C-4V engine
> was rated at 5 quarts and the BOSS 351 at 6. The pans were the same;
Ford used a differently calibrated dipstick in the BOSS.

====dave.williams chaos.lrk.ar.us========================DoD#978=======
can you help me...help me get out of this place?...slow sedation...
ain't my style, ain't my pace...giving me a number...NINE, SEVEN, EIGHT
==5.0 RX7 -> Tyrannosaurus RX! == SAE '82 == Denizens of Doom M/C '92==


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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 07:16:05 -0400
From: Joe D
Subject: Question For Group

I have a question....Am I doing something wrong? I post messages and
never seem to get any answers. Am I not receiving them or do I ask
to hard of a question or WHAT????Just venting I guess...I thought
there would be alot of help from the group but it seems like no one
really cares about the 67-72's......
Thanks for listening

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:12:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Riddle me this!!!!

> From: "George Shepherd"
> Subject: Re: Riddle me this!!!!
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:34:54 -0500

> Trucks work harder, one more quart of cooling oil. All heat is
> transferred from cam and crank to oil. Water cools head and block,
> oil cools internal parts. More oil, more cooling.

Had some stone delivered the other day and talked to the driver about
his rig and he said the diesel took 9 GAL not qts!

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:25:56 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 intake suggestions

> From: "Mike & Evan"
> Subject: 460 intake suggestions
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:44:45 -0500

> best for a basically stock 460? It is going in my '75 F-250 4x4.
> Right now all I have are L&L headers, and a Edelbrock 750 carb.
> With stock heads and cam, should I go with a Performer, Performer
> RPM or a
> Wieland Stealth? The 460 is out of a mid '70's Lincoln.

If it's internally stock then the performer dual plane manifold
should be at least a lateral move if not an improvement. The one on
my 351M seems to help quite a bit based on experience with other
stock 351's. Don't get talked into a single plane with a stock
engine used for street and off road you won't like it. The dual
plane is designed for low end torque and still gives good top end
performance which is where I think my stock manifold on the 460 is
falling short but there are other problems which I haven't had time
to sort out yet so not sure.

Barn's almost done so maybe pretty soon I can get to it :-)

The rpm is for higher revs and may not work very well with a stock
engine, not sure about the Weiand but Summit says it's for
street/strip which conjurs up visions of higher rev ranges too.

Usually you need to change the cam to work with these manifolds.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:25:10 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: C6 never making it to 3rd, missing shift linkage?

on a c6, only 2nd is operated by the band.

sleddog

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From: DC Beatty[SMTP:dcbeatty compuserve.com]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 7:04 PM
To: 'INTERNET:fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject: RE: C6 never making it to 3rd, missing shift linkage?

>>>>>


My FMX was doing the opposite when I got it on the road. It was skipping
over 2nd--shifting too early. I fix it by messing with this adjustment.

Does anybody know if 3rd is operated by a band???

Good luck. Let us know.

DC Beatty
1967 F100 352
1974 Maverick 302



Group:

Doing a little road testing on my van over the weekend and after getting
the
right axles, gears and tires all installed, I believe it never makes it to
third gear. Here is what I know: 77 C6 with transfer case in 2WD high, 30"
tires, 3.54 ratio, 460 engine. With the pedal depressed as if my
grandmother was in the passenger seat (taking it really easy on the
acceleration), I noticed the first to second gear shift occurring about
15mph (sorry, no tach yet), assume I should make it into third about
30-35mph??? but it never happens. Made it to about 45-50mph which major
engine whine and no shift into third. Placed the transmission shift lever
from drive into 2 and noticed the same lack-o-shift into third. Tried
moving between D and 2 at various speeds and noticed no change in shift of
any kind. After driving a few miles and with the engine at good normal
operating temperature, smelled the trans. fluid on the dip stick and it
looked reddish (not black or brown) and smelled the fluid (no burned smell
noticed). Fluid level appeared to be in the normal fill range with the
engine running, trans in park and pretty much level ground.

This is my first serious experience with diagnosing auto trans problems,
always been a manual guy.

I have noticed that where the shift linkage comes from the column to the
trans, there appears to be another level on the C6 about 1.5" above the
before mentioned shift linkage that has a C shaped lever arm with a small
circular knob at the end of the C that seems to move freely between two
positions, always returning to the forward position if left untouched.
There seems to be nothing connected to this C shaped lever. Has some
spring
or linkage fallen off this lever that just might be part of my lack-o-third
gear problem? Is it something between the column linkage and this C shaped
lever or is it between the gas pedal and the C lever (as my dad described
used to be a way to kick an old auto into the next gear based on gas pedal
depression)?

If this C shaped level is just for looks, then is there something else I
should be checking? I am scrounging around for books/repair manuals that
can help, but so far no luck.

Any help would be greatly appreciated,
John
bauerjf ix.netcom.com

96 F150, 302, daily driver
77 E250 4WD, 460, C6, custom van!






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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:41:03 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 intake suggestions

what is a basically stock 460? if you are that close to stock, a stock
intake works fine. 450 horse can be made with these old small port cast
iron intakes. there are times when a single plane intake works better than
a dual plane - but to be safe go with a dual plane. i recommend the weind
stealth or the blue thunder dual plane. the weind may have just a little
more top end rpm potential. with either of these two (or most other
intakes) you should port match the heads. match the heads to the intake,
not both parts to the gasket.
well, intakes are cheap. but dollar for dollar once you are more than
stock, the place to put the money is in the heads. a good port and bowl
work could be worth 50 hp. the intake may give you 20. a cam may give you
more but a stock cam put into a well flowing motor runs better than a hot
cam in a poorly flowing motor.

if you can spring the cash, you may as well replace the cam and intake same
time - you are half way there taking off parts, and the intake must be off
to install a cam. (hopefullt your lifters can come UP through the lifter
bores, if they need to go down due to excessive wear, then the oil pan or
more may need removal.

i have many resources for building 460's. ask and you shall receive.

sleddog

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From: Mike & Evan[SMTP:yasky netins.net]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 1997 10:44 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: 460 intake suggestions

Hi everyone! I don't post much to the list, but I read it every day. Its
great, and I always learn something new.
Maybe some of you 460 guys can help me out on this one. Which intake is
best for a basically stock 460? It is going in my '75 F-250 4x4. Right
now all I have are L&L headers, and a Edelbrock 750 carb.
With stock heads and cam, should I go with a Performer, Performer RPM or a
Wieland Stealth? The 460 is out of a mid '70's Lincoln.
Or, would I be better off spending the money on something else instead?
Like redoing the heads or a bigger cam?
Any help is appreciated!

Thanks in advance.

Mike Vonhof
yasky netins.net







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Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:47:06 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 460 intake suggestions

the stealth is a dual plane.

many builders are finding now that the new single plane intakes are
building more torque from off idle all the way to maximum rpm, while still
retaining good responce. it doesn't always end up that way, but i found
out the hard way that single planes can be much better. in fact, it made a
big difference in my 460 with a blue thunder dual plane just adding a 2"
carb spacer. effectively creating almost a single plane.

the weind stealth is known to be a good power making intake from 2-6500 rpm....

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