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fordtrucks-digest Friday, September 12 1997 Volume 01 : Number 213



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In this issue:

Re: Welding and fabrications ["John F. Bauer III" ]
Re: Future plans ["deconblu" ]
RE: attachments and email software ["Payne, Kenneth"
Owner's/Shop Manuals [schrozak idt.net (Chuck Schroeder)]
Attachment test...Let me know if there is an attachment [Randy Collins
Mail and attchment stuff [Randy Collins ]
Re: Attachment test...Let me know if there is an attachment ["deconblu"
RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion [Keith Srb ]
Re: Future Plans [Tom Hogan ]
Replacment Steering Wheel [Keith Srb ]

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:22:19 -0400
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: Re: Welding and fabrications

1. I use a Lincoln 225/140 AC/DC stick welder.

2. Used at least 1/4" plate steel to make shock mounts, bumper addons for
winch mounts, etc. I am definitely a, um, errr, tightwad at times and I
really don't have any elaborate welding setup. I just a guy working out of
his garage. I use a Dewalt 15amp body grinder with a 14" metal grinding
disc to do most metal cutting. Its not too bad, just cut through 1.25"
steel slab to form a "turning radius arm" to affix to the driver's side
wheel on a Dana 60 axle with a 78 Bronco steering tie bar welded to it to
extend parallel with the axle to act as a steering arm with the fulcrum on
the driver wheel itself with tie rod connecting to the passenger wheel to
provide steering in my 77 Ford E250 4WD van (breath in, the continue). Must
say, requires some pretty creative solutions that those parts chimps just
scatter when they see me walking into the parts store!

Hope this helps, fast become a pretty good stick welder by the sheer number
of welds on my van!

John

77 E250 4WD, 460, C6, custom van
96 F150 302, daily driver

At 12:01 AM 9/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Questions:
>
>1. What's the heaviest material you can weld with one of those SP100
>Lincoln wire feed welders? Can you safely do frame welding with it?
>Or just sheetmetal type repairs? What size equipment do you need to
>safely do chassis/frame welding?
>
>2. Does anyone out there fabricate their own brackets etc? What
>thickness of steel etc do you use for brackets? Is a metal brake
>essential for this type of operation? What about cutting the metal to
>size...Inquiring minds want to know...Any other considerations? I
>realize this is pretty general but maybe you could give a sample of
>something you've fabricated (and I do mean truck related, not women
>related or anything else :)
>
>
>Thanks,
> Don
>Allen, Texas
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:00:24 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Future plans

From: Donald R. Screen
>I will be out of the country working for UPS (can you say second strike, I
thought
>you could (grin)). I commute out of DFW airport to go to work

I worked at Ontario International Airport and have to say you UPS guys have
large kahonies! When one of your 747's would take off it would be so loaded
down there were times it had to be Angels lifting the plane cause it didn't
look like air speed and landing we could tell UPS by the thrust reversers
hard and long. We could set our clocks by you, always on time! Is it true
your planes are so loaded you have packages on your laps? :)

>Gonna degrease the entire wiring harness too and repair it if needed
(rewrap
>it for sure).

Just wanted to say when I did my wiring harness on my '73 F100 I didn't wrap
it. I made the harness using the wax string that GE uses on the Turbo Fans
wiring harness. Also made good use of the RTV tape on any splices!
Good luck!

No one wants to see these guys go on strike. They need our support! Working
on engines (The other guys, UPS do their own) You hear "It's OK they carry
packages" They just don't deserve better they need better!


I'm not a Union man!

Deacon Blues
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:31:11 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: RE: attachments and email software

At 03:01 PM 9/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>I have no problem with receiving attachments in emails I use Microsoft
>Outlook and seem to have no problems. Maybe you all just don't have
your
>receiving software setup right? I am no expert but it is a thought.
>Bear....
>

The problem is not in others software. The attachments used for text
"formating" are not yet standard and most email software doesn't support

it so it comes in as an attachment rather than text formating. My
software can receive them just fine. However, they inflate the email
sizes, put ugle garbage in the middle of the digests, make the on-line
archives take more space and have caused problems for me because there
are still many 7-bit only mail systems out there (some on purpose to
prevent binaries). As admin, I get a copy of bounced messages in my
personal email "inbox." Everytime someone posts a message with binaries

I get greeted with several dozen additional emails, not including the
"hey, I didn't get a copy of the digest" complaints. I have no problems

with people like Randy who take the time to track down the problem, I
think thats great (thanks Randy). If after notifying someone that
they're posting binaries they don't take any action or at least ask for
help, I'm faced with a decision: deal with the constant bounces or
unsubscribe them. Frankly, with the 100-300 emails a day I receive I'd
rather unsubscribe them.

Maybe the next release of Majordomo list software will filter out the
binaries so it won't be an issue.

Ken

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:30:46 -0400
From: schrozak idt.net (Chuck Schroeder)
Subject: Owner's/Shop Manuals

Can anyone steer me toward a source for manuals for my truck?

Chuck Schroeder
64 F600 Stake Dump

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:09:16 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Attachment test...Let me know if there is an attachment

This is a test to see if the "reply to" feature creates an attachment.


Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6



- -----Original Message-----
From: Payne, Kenneth [SMTP:Kevin.Payne SouthernEnergy.Com]
Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 6:31 AM
To: 'fordtrucks listservice.net'
Subject: RE: attachments and email software

At 03:01 PM 9/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>I have no problem with receiving attachments in emails I use Microsoft
>Outlook and seem to have no problems. Maybe you all just don't have
your
>receiving software setup right? I am no expert but it is a thought.
>Bear....
>

The problem is not in others software. The attachments used for text
"formating" are not yet standard and most email software doesn't support

it so it comes in as an attachment rather than text formating. My
software can receive them just fine. However, they inflate the email
sizes, put ugle garbage in the middle of the digests, make the on-line
archives take more space and have caused problems for me because there
are still many 7-bit only mail systems out there (some on purpose to
prevent binaries). As admin, I get a copy of bounced messages in my
personal email "inbox." Everytime someone posts a message with binaries

I get greeted with several dozen additional emails, not including the
"hey, I didn't get a copy of the digest" complaints. I have no problems

with people like Randy who take the time to track down the problem, I
think thats great (thanks Randy). If after notifying someone that
they're posting binaries they don't take any action or at least ask for
help, I'm faced with a decision: deal with the constant bounces or
unsubscribe them. Frankly, with the 100-300 emails a day I receive I'd
rather unsubscribe them.

Maybe the next release of Majordomo list software will filter out the
binaries so it won't be an issue.

Ken




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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:12:55 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: Mail and attchment stuff

Ford folks,

I believe that I finally have a workaround for the mail problems that M/S
Outlook was creating for the list.

To set up the program go to:

TOOLS, SERVICES, PROPERTIES, MESSAGE FORMAT, "uncheck" the mime box,
then, CHARACTER SET, select US ASCII.

This should enable the software to post to the list in the proper format.
Unfortunately, I believe that this is only a work around for the problem.
I believe that anytime the "reply to" button is used the attachment will
be created. For now the only solution for me is to create a new post to
the list and cut and paste part of the post into the newly created message.

Following this post I will try the "reply to" again. If it creates an
attachment someone be sure to let me know because remember that I can't see
them.

Thanks for everyone's patience,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
460 C-6

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:58:06 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: Attachment test...Let me know if there is an attachment

Yes it does. I'm using Outpost also and don't have the directories you
explained early. Are you using Outpost or Exchange AKA Inbox? Outlook
doesn't even give me a choice of character set! Is there an attachment in
this reply?
Damn the Microsoft god!



Deacon Blues
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- -----Original Message-----
From: Randy Collins
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Friday, September 12, 1997 11:11 AM
Subject: Attachment test...Let me know if there is an attachment



>This is a test to see if the "reply to" feature creates an attachment.
>
>
>Randy Collins
>Boise, Idaho
>rcollins micron.net
>
>1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
>Soon to have the following Randy installed options:
>460 C-6
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Payne, Kenneth [SMTP:Kevin.Payne SouthernEnergy.Com]
>Sent: Friday, September 12, 1997 6:31 AM
>To: 'fordtrucks listservice.net'
>Subject: RE: attachments and email software
>
>At 03:01 PM 9/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>I have no problem with receiving attachments in emails I use Microsoft
>>Outlook and seem to have no problems. Maybe you all just don't have
>your
>>receiving software setup right? I am no expert but it is a thought.
>>Bear....
>>
>
>The problem is not in others software. The attachments used for text
>"formating" are not yet standard and most email software doesn't support
>
>it so it comes in as an attachment rather than text formating. My
>software can receive them just fine. However, they inflate the email
>sizes, put ugle garbage in the middle of the digests, make the on-line
>archives take more space and have caused problems for me because there
>are still many 7-bit only mail systems out there (some on purpose to
>prevent binaries). As admin, I get a copy of bounced messages in my
>personal email "inbox." Everytime someone posts a message with binaries
>
>I get greeted with several dozen additional emails, not including the
>"hey, I didn't get a copy of the digest" complaints. I have no problems
>
>with people like Randy who take the time to track down the problem, I
>think thats great (thanks Randy). If after notifying someone that
>they're posting binaries they don't take any action or at least ask for
>help, I'm faced with a decision: deal with the constant bounces or
>unsubscribe them. Frankly, with the 100-300 emails a day I receive I'd
>rather unsubscribe them.
>
>Maybe the next release of Majordomo list software will filter out the
>binaries so it won't be an issue.
>
>Ken
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>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:49:05 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

Thanks for the info everyone! I know this will not be easy to do, but then
again who said life was easy! Besides, how many F1's, and 50's vintage F100 are
running around with Mustang II frame clips on them? In the lastest issue of
"Custom Trucks", I think it was "Custom Trucks", the is a 50's vintage F100
with a Corvette rear end under it.

Later Guys and Gals


Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
Mesa, AZ
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two Wheels!"


- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Grossman [SMTP:duckdon pacific.net]
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 1997 5:04 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

Keith Srb wrote:
> Lets try this again. I would like to find a 4X4 that has been rolled, or
> totaled in some way and is sitting in a wrecking yard. I am would like to
take
> all of the 4x4 parts, Front Axle, Rear Axle , Driveshafts, Transfer Case,
> Steering Parts, what every I need off of it. I then plan on bringing them
> home, cleaning them up and attaching them to my 74 F250 2WD Frame. Once this
is
> done, I am going to apply some type of black paint to this setup and then
> proceed to put as many of my 74 F250 Parts back onto the 74 F250 4WD, don't
> lose me hear, this is the 74 2WD Frame converted to a 74 4WD Frame. I want
to
> convert my 74 2WD F250 into a 74 4WD F250 by using as much of the74 2WD Truck
> as I can.
>
> I hope it all makes more sense now.
>
> TTFN
>
> Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
> Mesa, AZ


I think most of us got you the first time. ;)

For all the time of putting all the little things on the 2x frame it
would be quicker to use the 4x frame. I know you have all the time in
the world but this is JMO here. Lets start from rear to front here.....
Taking the rear springs and hangers off the frames and reattaching in
the proper location. The 2x used a thinner spring than the 4x's. Also
changing the rear end if the gear ratios are different. The T-case will
be a divorce mount style so you will have to remove the frame x-member
from the 4x and add to the 2x. You may need something to spread the
frame apart to get the crossmember out of the 4x and into the 2x. I was
looking at some and they can be a tight fit. If both trucks are the
same WB you can reuse the drive shafts except it one is an auto and the
other is a stick transmission, you could change trannys to match or have
custome shafts made.

Front end here. 2x use coil springs and 4x use leaf springs. You will
be removing all the coilspring towers shock mounts and radius arm mounts
and reattaching the 4x springs and hangers from the 4x. Most likely
will have to drill a few extra holes here and there to match up. I
might be wrong but the frames are different just a little between the 4x
and 2x.

If that frame crossmember under the engine isn't in the way the oilpan
might be. You might need to add a lift to clear the oil pan or
crossmember. Off come the front and rear springs and on go the lifted
springs. I can't see your truck from here so this might not be needed.

Steering:
next is the removal of the 2x steering box. I'm working off the top of
my head here so I might be wrong in the location of the steering box but
is it behind the front axle under the cab? This will have to come off
and the 4x box added in front of the new 4x axle. Some models mounted
inside the frame with an arm on the outside moving front to rear. IF
you happen to get the Power Steering option you will be adding the
pumpand brackets to the engine and attaching the lines.

I am sure I have missed a few steps but they will be filled in at 2 a.m.
when you come accross them.

Come to think of it the frame horns are different. The 2x and 1/2 ton
4x have rounded frame horns and the 3/4 4x's have square frame ends for
the crossmember to attach.

Laters
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension



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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 13:38:26 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re: Future Plans

>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:51:09 -0500
>From: "Donald R. Screen"
>Subject: Future plans
>
> (snip) Still have all the brackets off of
>it for the alternator, steering pump, A/C....gonna try a paint technique
>that I just read about. You take something like a coffee can...fill it
>mostly with water..float about 1/4 inch of Rustoleum black paint on the
>surface of the water...then dip the part to be painted...hang the part
>to dry. Suppossed to give a factory look to the paint on the part.


Let us know how the paint job goes.

(snip)
>effort to remove the old ones. The engine compartment is about 1000
>times cleaner than when I got the truck home two years ago. Gonna
>degrease the entire wiring harness too and repair it if needed (rewrap
>it for sure).

What do you use to wrap the harness? I have part of my harness out
right now (the harness that includes the regulator connector) and I was
going to rewrap mine with black vinyl electrical tape.


>Sorry for the rambling...I tease my wife..she sighs when I tell her I am
>going to work on "the truck". Kinda like going off to war or Siberia
>never to be seen again.

I hear you man!!! Same thing at my house. The only way I get time to
work on mine is if I tell her it won't run and she'll have to loan me
HER car. Most wives don't understand why we enjoy spending our weekend
day working on some "ratty old truck". "Bite your tounge woman!! That's
no ratty old truck, it's a classic!"

(snip)


Tom H.

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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:27:07 -0700....


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