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fordtrucks-digest Thursday, September 11 1997 Volume 01 : Number 211



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In this issue:

RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
F250 4X4 conversion [AM14 chrysler.com]
Re: electronic ignition ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 Crank Failure ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 2WD to 4WD Conversion ["deconblu" ]
RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion [Sleddog ]
King Pins [Tom Hogan ]
RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion [Randy Collins ]
Factory Spot Light Bulb [shoman p3.net]
Re: King Pins ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Converting my 66 and my 74 to Halogen Headlights [marko helix.net (ma]
Re: electronic ignition [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Re: King Pins [marko helix.net (marko maryniak)]
Seat Cover sources [jack fleming ]
Re: electronic ignition ["RICH ANZALONE" ]
RE: King Pins [DC Beatty ]
Thanks For the Info!! ["Don & Teresa Neighbors" ]

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:49:00 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:41:08 -0700

> about rust. I do not care how long, or how much money it will take
> to do the restoration and upgrades. Other than the fact that it is
> 2WD, I love this truck and have no plans of ever selling it.

This is all fine and we agree with the concept of doing a good job
but why reinvent the wheel and come up with an inferior design on top
of it all? The stock 4x4 frame is already very well designed and set
up for your purpose. If you modify the frame of your 2wd it's no
longer a historic part any way and it's vin number will be
meaningless so why be concerned about keeping it? Instead why not
box and reinforce the 4x4 frame and do a fine job on that without the
extra effort of converting it? Especially since the money doesn't
seem to be a problem?

Don't misunderstand, I'm not putting you down because you want to do
this and it may even be a good learning experience but you can get a
lot of experience and pleasure from modifying a properly designed 4x4
frame to your own exacting standards too, and in the end It's my
sincere belief that you will be more satisfied with the results :-)
I did the van on a shoe string and thought I couldn't really afford a
4x4 frame anyway so I did what I had to to get it done but it was not
my first choice, believe me :-)

As I said I did this but afterward realized I would have been MUCH
further ahead to use a 4x4 frame and make what ever mods I needed to
fit the van body to it and would have had a better handling vehicle
to boot. (although it did handle pretty well anyway)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 97 08:23:05 EDT
From: AM14 chrysler.com
Subject: F250 4X4 conversion

Keith Srb:

We understand. What we think you don't understand is the major differences in
the two frames. The 2wd and the 4wd frames have almost nothing in common. All
pre '78 F 250 4X4's had a divorced transfercase (not bolted to the
transmission), and this required several differences for mounting the 4X4
driveline. It can be done, but what the group is trying to say is that you are
creating an abundance of work for yourself and some of it, if done correctly,
has to be very precisely placed or your vehicle will not track properly.
(hanging the front leaf springs for the front axle). Also the divorced
transfer case has a special crossmember for mounting and another for bracing.
It would be much easier to find a 4X4 frame/driveline and install your
cab/bed. I've done this a couple of times. Not much to it this way.

Good luck, whichever way you choose.

WORKING TO BE THE BEST
Azie Magnusson_07910 Huntsville, Al.
PROFS ID (AM14):E-Mail AM14 Chrysler.com
Tie Line (835-2578):Outside (205)464-2578

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:54:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: electronic ignition

> From: "RICH ANZALONE"
> Subject: electronic ignition
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:48:32 PDT

> I had electronic ignition installed in my truck about a week ago and
> I drove it to work for the first time yesterday. My problem is the

Desctibe the ignition for us. Is it the stock dura spark? If so
what vintage/model? Was it recurved by anyone? Does it use a vac?


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:17:07 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: 460 Crank Failure

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: 460 Crank Failure
> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:00:50 -0500

> wouldn't turn at all. The mechanic who rebuilt the 460 said he has
> seen this before. He said it is caused by regrinders who don't put
> enough radius at the edge of the main journals causing a stress
> point. Has anyone else seen this type of failure? How common is it?

It would seem that torsion wise the front would be less suseptible
but the damper is on the front and could, as sledog said, be doing
something. The mechanic was correct. The radius needs to be as
large and scratch free as possible without interfering with the
bearings to prevent stress concentrations. Nodular cranks are forged
as far as I know but still made of cast iron with a very high carbon
content which means easily cracked if any stress lines are formed in
the machining or left over from the forging operation.

Ford uses two grades of nodular iron in the cranks, one for high
performance with a higher nodularity and higher Brinell hardness spec
and the other for standard production. Racers use steel billet
cranks which have much better resiliance than cast iron so don't
crack as easily. (and are lighter as well)

Another possibility is that the engine was subjected to some severe
axial pounding which will fracture the front portion of the crank. I
once heard of an engine involved in a rear collision which caused the
front of the crank to pop right off. It was not directly hit but the
axial forces coupled with torsional while spinning apparently
fractured it right behind the damper.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 07:50:45 -0700
From: "deconblu"
Subject: Re: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

>> From: Keith Srb
>> Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion
>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:41:08 -0700
>
>> about rust. I do not care how long, or how much money it will take
>> to do the restoration and upgrades. Other than the fact that it is
>> 2WD, I love this truck and have no plans of ever selling it.

Have you thought of something 2wd radical off road? Lift your '74 get some
off road wheels and tires (duels on the rear would be hot) Have a truck with
a personality all it's own. Not to mention you keep even more of the
original '74. Just a little thought vomit, you know something in the back of
my head that came up unexpectedly!




Deacon Blues
deconblu gte.net
'73 F100 302

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:44 -0400
From: Sleddog
Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

the prerunner truck is a awesome way to build a 2wd.
but, if you want that 4wd, using the 2wd chassis, then go right ahead. i
am sure that everyone on this list will help as much as we can with the
swap. i know people who have done it - and liked the final outcome. but
why not build using f350 4wd parts, or f150 radius arms and 3/4 or 1 ton
front axle? (the f150 front setup is most likely easier to swap, and IMHO
works better. just curious...

sleddog

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From: deconblu[SMTP:deconblu gte.net]
Sent: Thursday, September 11, 1997 10:50 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

>> From: Keith Srb
>> Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion
>> Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:41:08 -0700
>
>> about rust. I do not care how long, or how much money it will take
>> to do the restoration and upgrades. Other than the fact that it is
>> 2WD, I love this truck and have no plans of ever selling it.

Have you thought of something 2wd radical off road? Lift your '74 get some
off road wheels and tires (duels on the rear would be hot) Have a truck
with
a personality all it's own. Not to mention you keep even more of the
original '74. Just a little thought vomit, you know something in the back
of
my head that came up unexpectedly!




Deacon Blues
deconblu gte.net
'73 F100 302











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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:41:49 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: King Pins

Question; How can I tell if the king pins on my truck (76 2wd F-150)
need to be replaced without taking it to a shop? How hard are they to
replace? How do you remove the top and bottom caps? If the truck has
plastic bushings can they be replace with metal bushings?
If it's too difficult I would take it to a shop but I would like to know
that they are shot before I go in.
You know, "Mr grease monkey, do I need major, expensive front end work?"
(sniff)"Duh why yeah, yeah you shure do!!" (scratch, belch mumble)
"expensive" (mumble) "can't put it off" (mumble, scratch, Bill the Cat
noises) "might loose control"
"Mr grease monkey, shouldn't you look at the truck first .....?"

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:04:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

> From: Sleddog
> Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion
> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:03:44 -0400

> radius arms and 3/4 or 1 ton front axle? (the f150 front setup is
> most likely easier to swap, and IMHO works better. just curious...

I always thought the leaf spring would be easier to do since all you
do is bolt the brackets to the frame and it's done, no track bar, no
radius arms etc. but never done it so don't know for sure? I think
the coils give a little better ride but not real sure about that
either, just what I've heard :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:12:21 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: RE: 2WD to 4WD Conversion

Keith,

My project truck is a 2WD to 4WD conversion. Although it isn't done yet
the running gear portion of the project is complete.

I am absolutely positive that it will go down the road straight.

I converted a 1975 F250 supercab 2WD to 4 wheel drive. I took a little
different approach to what I have read.....

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