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fordtrucks-digest Tuesday, September 9 1997 Volume 01 : Number 206



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In this issue:

Re: parts chimps ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
tree forks [jniolon uss.com]
Specialty Vehicle Owners Manual [jniolon uss.com]
Re: Screwed My axle HELP!! ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Plugs, again? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: mime? attachments? [silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)]
F 250 rear bearings/axle [AM14 chrysler.com]
Re: Screwed My axle HELP!! ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: 56 F100 3/4ton hybrid truck thing ["George Shepherd"
Steering gear box seals ["Donald R. Screen" ]
Dash Lightbulbs ["Donald R. Screen" ]
RE: Timing light [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Real Parts Guys [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: parts chimps [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Plugs, again? [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Plugs, again? [Tim Baker ]
RE: Timing light ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 07:33:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: parts chimps

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: Re: parts chimps
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:29:10 -0500

> ....laughed so hard I cried....I guess there must not be any any
> parts guys on this list......or are they just ducking the bullets?

There's at least one one the bronco list and he seems to be
knowledgeable so probably wouldn't put himself in the same catagory
anyway but you guys should remember that most of these guys (and
gals) work for very little money so shouldn't be expected to know
very much since there is little incentive to learn much. It's sort
of like expecting a kid at McDonalds to make some fancy French dish.
He hasn't been trained and has no real incentive to learn. Owners
and managers who have been at it for some time OTOH have no excuse
IMHO :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: tree forks

Tim,

Glad to hear someone is lucky. If you ever want to move to Ala, I can
get you 8 jobs tomorrow, ( 9 if your willing to wear tight tee shirts
and shorts and dye your hair blond)

Don't let the morons wear you down.

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 07:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: Specialty Vehicle Owners Manual


Yesterday I posted:


(I found a nice little book advertised in Custom & Classic Trucks
that list every single part (well nearly) that goes into custom
truck building, giving you places to write in all the details
about the part, year, make, part number, and plenty of detail.
Even down to brake hose maker.)


The books is called the Specialty Vehicle Owners Manual

Cost is $9.95 & 2.50 shipping

from : Mike Greene
20745 Paseo Panorama
Yorba Linda, Ca 92687
(714)-777-5011


It's worth the money for a one-off custom or the "Mutt" you pieced
together..expecially if your memory is as bad as mine


john

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:01:09 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Screwed My axle HELP!!

> From: "Brett McCoy"
> Subject: Screwed My axle HELP!!
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 22:40:34 -0500

> bar. The problem is that the bearings still won't slide on. There
> seems to be a small high spot somewhere that keeps them from
> slipping over the threaded area of the housing. Also when the nuts
> are threaded on there is a small amount of play in them. Will this
> small amount of play be a problem? Any idea on how to get the
> threads back to normal? Take pity on the stupid, give me some
> ideas.

Are you talking about the end of the spindle? The spindle is the
part the bearings go on and has two diameters, the largest in the
back for the inside bearing. If it won't go on you have spun the
race and damaged the spindle which should be replaced to be safe but
you can use a mill file or emery cloth to carefully take out the high
spots. The spindle is hard so will not file easily but it can be
done if you keep it dry. Filing requires a very dry surface so it
can "bite". Emmery OTOH requires some oil for the best results. Put
some marker on the spindle and try to slide the bearing on. It will
mark the high spots for you by scraping off the marker so you know
where to file etc..

I don't understand how you damaged the threads way out there? Or are
we talking about something else?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:19:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Plugs, again?

Well I got lots of comments on the indexing, but how about those
Torque Masters and similar designes with no ground electrode? Fire
shoots to the side of the plug all around. Anybody tried them?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 10:13:58 EDT
From: silent.bob juno.com (Silent . Bob)
Subject: Re: mime? attachments?

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:03:50 -0600 Randy Collins
writes:
>Howdy Folks!
>
>I am just checking to see if I have solved the attachment problem.
>
>Let me know if this is seen as a binary message or if it still
>contains an attachment.

>begin 600 WINMAIL.DAT
>M>)\^( T$`0:0" `$```````!``$``0>0! `(````Y 0```````#H``$(

>end


yup.. it still does.

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 97 11:40:36 EDT
From: AM14 chrysler.com
Subject: F 250 rear bearings/axle

Brett McCoy:
My opinion is that looseness between the nut and the axel carrier is not a
desireable condition, and I personally would rather try to find one in a
salvage yard and start over. When loaded, this nut keeps your wheel/drum
assy in place, and I would imagine that in turns it holds quite a force.

WORKING TO BE THE BEST
Azie Magnusson_07910 Huntsville, Al.
PROFS ID (AM14):E-Mail AM14 Chrysler.com
Tie Line (835-2578):Outside (205)464-2578

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:52:01 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Screwed My axle HELP!!

The '79 F250 came with 2 axle possibilities, semi floating and full
floating. Which do you have?

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> From: Brett McCoy
> To: fordtrucks
> Subject: Screwed My axle HELP!!
> Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 10:40 PM
>
> Try not to think me to much of an idiot as you read this. On Saturday me
> and a buddy did a rear brake job on my '79 F250. Between parts runs and
> looking for someone to turn the drums it took most of the afternoon and
> evening. We finally got it done and adjusted right and were pretty beat.

> So we called it a day without topping off the gear lub in the rear end.
> Today when I was about five block from my house the right rear inner
wheel
> bearing self distructed. I didn't know what it was at the time and
limped
> home the five blocks. Pulled it apart and found the inner bearing race
> stuck firmly to the axle housing. Also the threads on the end of the
> housing were slightly flared out. This made it very interesting to get
the
> nuts off. You don't even want to know how. We borrowed a universal
> threaded and managed to get it to the point that the nuts will go on with
> some grunt work and a half inch drive breaker bar. The problem is that
the
> bearings still won't slide on. There seems to be a small high spot
> somewhere that keeps them from slipping over the threaded area of the
> housing. Also when the nuts are threaded on there is a small amount of
> play in them. Will this small amount of play be a problem? Any idea on
> how to get the threads back to normal? Take pity on the stupid, give me
> some ideas.
>
> -Brett
>
> Older, wiser and definitely about to be poorer.
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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:59:29 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: 56 F100 3/4ton hybrid truck thing

If it has 15" 8 bolt wheels all around, then he either changed both front
and rear to 3/4 ton parts or it was originally a 3/4 ton. Post the vin and
we should be able to tell you.

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> From: Erik J. O'Daniel
> To: fordtrucks-digest ListService.net
> Subject: 56 F100 3/4ton hybrid truck thing
> Date: Monday, September 08, 1997 6:37 PM
>
> Had a guy stop by the other day and ask me about the 56 F100 I have
> which belonged to my grandfather many years ago. (The truck is
> waiting for me to get around to messing with it, which I will do
> eventually...) The guy said "Too bad it's a 3/4." To which I
> replied, "Nope, it's a 100. It's a model that had an 8-foot bed, but
> I don't think the weight changed." Then he mentioned that it looked
> like it had a 3/4ton rear end on it.
>
> So what's the deal. Grandpa put in a 292 and a granny-low 4speed in
> place of the 272 and 3-speed. The wheels are 15" 8-holers which a
> tire/wheel place said you almost never see on a truck that size. How
> would I tell if grandpa switched out the rear end also?
>
> This guy also had a chrome 56 grill and nothing to put on it. I have
> no idea what kind of price this would command. Any guesses?
>
> Erik O'Daniel
> Idaho
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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:51:29 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Steering gear box seals

What is the proper method for removing the input seal on the steering
gear box for a 1974 F100 XLT Ranger? The seal is leaking (this is the
seal near the flex coupler, not the sector shaft seal at the pitman
arm). Can I just pry it out with a screwdriver or will that damage the
gearbox. How about the bearing right below the seal. What's the best
way to remove it. My books show a special tool for the job. Is there a
homemade way to get these parts out of the steering gear box?

Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Tue, 09 Sep 1997 11:54:04 -0500
From: "Donald R. Screen"
Subject: Dash Lightbulbs

I recently replaced all of the dash's light bulbs with standard
bulbs (something like 194's if I remember correctly). The dash is still
way to dim. Are there specialty bulbs that will brighten up the dash
and still fit in the original standard sockets? This question is for my
1974 Ford F100 XLT Ranger. Thanks!

Don
Allen, Texas

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:17:49 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: Timing light

i have a sunpro adjustable timing light. it just has a dial on the back, no
keypad. much less than 100 bucks, but i can't remember how much. i got it
at parts america and never would've paid that much for one - i am cheap!
no, actually i just ain't rich. i seem to recall about $50.

sleddog

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From: Dave Resch[SMTP:dresch sybase.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 6:33 PM
To: fordtrucks-digest ListService.net
Subject: Re: Timing light


I think the way the adjustable timing light works is that it reads the
engine's RPM and advances or delays the flash by a time interval calculated
from the RPM. (RPM x 360 = degrees of rotation per minute / 60 = degrees
per second, etc.) At any rate, the actual flash would be delayed by at
least one revolution to allow for advance.

The ones I have seen also have a display on the back (facing you when the
strobe is pointed away) that shows tach RPM, timing offset, and some show
dwell degrees. Below the display is a keypad where you punch in the degree
offset you want. With the tach readout, they're really nice for plotting
advance curves at specified RPMs. Unfortunately, the cheapest ones I've
seen cost about $100.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)
1980 F250 4x4 351M








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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:36:29 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: Real Parts Guys

oh yes, i've heard your side before! my cousin works at a place in new
jersey. he works in the shop, but i have spent a lot of time with the
parts counter guys and many times the customer is the idiot. actually, a
parts counter person who tries but knows nothing is better than the ones
who know, but don't try.

not all of them are bad, but it is getting harder to find places where
questions can be answered and the counter person can recognize a part and
tell me what it is before i tell him what it is. and then go get the part,
even if they have to look in the computer, without all the irrelevant
questions.

i would like to give my money to the places that treat me right, and try to
most of the time. but these places are farther away, and most often i need
parts two days ago. my hi perf parts and many other parts i mail order
from places like summit. when i call, more often than not, the person on
the other end of the line sounds like they have a clue - and many times it
has been someone who has done the same thing.

any parts guys out there on this list, please don't take it personally, as
being on this list right away seperates you from the idiots we've bashed
here.

sleddog




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From: Tim Baker
Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 9:18 PM
To: 'fordtrucks listservice.net'
Subject: RE: "tree forks" ranting

I know there are a lot of bone head ignorant parts people (cashiers)but
there are also a few of us smart ones too. We are the ones that know how
to use the catalogs and in fact know a lot about cars and work on them too.
I know we are few but if you need a part and you are in Buena Park, Ca.
come on in to Hi/Lo automotive and experience the quality that Mr. Tim can
offer----oh and sometimes it is the idiot customers that are too stupid to
even be working on cars---ie. how do you change an oil filter? just felt
that I needed to respond to all parts people being stupid --they are
not---although Chiefs and other big chains do have a lot of morons that
don't know what a 9" ford is or from. Wow this feels good to get this all
out----oh and by the way help the morons out know the info about your
car/truck otherwise they talk the same shit about you as you do of them.
Tim
ASE Certified Parts Tech.
56 F100 69 Cougar
mei home.com

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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 12:50:00 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: parts chimps

so, what you are saying is that the owners/managers are too stupid to hire
the the knowledgeable young man who is a "motorhead" and would almost PAY
the store to work there?
at my local independant music store, if you don't know more than just a few
different music styles you don't get the job - and they dont pay over
minimum these people are enthusiastic about music and listen and know music
from the gratefull dead to yanni to bach. there has to be people out there
that WANT to work as a parts guy, not for the money. but for the job.
a little understanding of how a car works, would help alot - these people
seem to struggle with how that terminal on the counter works. some days i
have had three guys trying to figure out how to get the stuff off the
computer. funny, the books are right there too. i guess they never
learned to use them either.

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 3:33 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: parts chimps

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: Re: parts chimps
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:29:10 -0500

> ....laughed so hard I cried....I guess there must not be any any
> parts guys on this list......or are they just ducking the bullets?

There's at least one one the bronco list and he seems to be
knowledgeable so probably wouldn't put himself in the same catagory
anyway but you guys should remember that most of these guys (and
gals) work for very little money so shouldn't be expected to know
very much since there is little incentive to learn much. It's sort
of like expecting a kid at McDonalds to make some fancy French dish.
He hasn't been trained and has no real incentive to learn. Owners
and managers who have been at it for some time OTOH have no excuse
IMHO :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --






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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:01:51 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: Plugs, again?

i haven't tried them, but i have put spark through split fires and the
spark jumps to one side or the other, never both. i don't beleive they
open the spark up to any larger a area than a standard plug. as for the
side electrode. theoretically it seems better, but if they were that good,
wouldn't ford or gm or dodge or even mercedes use 'em as oem?

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 5:19 AM
To: bigbroncos off -road. com
Cc: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Plugs, again?

Well I got lots of comments on the indexing, but how about those
Torque Masters and similar designes with no ground electrode? Fire
shoots to the side of the plug all around. Anybody tried them?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --






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Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 10:47:05 +0100
From: Tim Baker
Subject: RE: Plugs, again?

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A lot of imports do use these side electrode setups checkout some NGK or ND plugs some have as many as four side electrodes.

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From: Kevin Kemmerer
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 6:01 PM
To: 'fordtrucks ListService.net'
Subject: RE: Plugs, again?

i haven't tried them, but i have put spark through split fires and the
spark jumps to one side or the other, never both. i don't beleive they
open the spark up to any larger a area than a standard plug. as for the
side electrode. theoretically it seems better, but if they were that good,
wouldn't ford or gm or dodge or even mercedes use 'em as oem?

sleddog

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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 1997 5:19 AM
To: bigbroncos off -road. com
Cc: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Plugs, again?

Well I got lots of comments on the indexing, but how about those
Torque Masters and similar designes with no ground electrode? Fire
shoots to the side of the plug all around. Anybody tried them?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --






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