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fordtrucks-digest Monday, September 8 1997 Volume 01 : Number 201



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In this issue:

RE: timning, advance, etc. ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
check valve bleeders [jniolon uss.com]
Re: Timing and stuff, again ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Timing ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
460 for the '73 F100 ["Deacon Blues" ]
"tree forks" ranting [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Timing [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: 460 for the '73 F100 [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: Timing ["Deacon Blues" ]
Re: "tree forks" ranting ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 for the '73 F100 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 460 for the '73 F100 ["Deacon Blues" ]
Re: Timing ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: "tree forks" ranting ["Deacon Blues" ]
460 rear engine seal leaking? ["John F. Bauer III"
Re: 460 for the '73 F100 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
ford posi 9" [jniolon uss.com]
Re: 460 rear engine seal leaking? [shoman p3.net]
Re: 460 rear engine seal leaking? ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:10:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: timning, advance, etc.

> From: Kevin Kemmerer
> Subject: RE: timning, advance, etc.
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 17:26:51 -0400

> gary,
> where was the truck pull? my girlfreind pulled with my dodge v10 on
> aug. 31 at Newfoundland PA. she placed first against the other
> trucks. distance - 235. could this be the pull you mentioned? i

If I understood him right it was a tug of war beteen trucks during
intermission at a tractor pull on several different occasions.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 08 Sep 1997 06:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: check valve bleeders

Don,

Russell makes the check valve bleeders.

You can buy them direct from Russell for about 12.00 each (i think)

They tell me that AutoZone sells them..but none of the AZ boys ever
heard of them and mumble something about "...special order...duh maybe
5 or 6 weeks..duh what was them things called again". (minumum forks
in family tree)

I saw them in Hot Rod (i think) several months ago in one of those
little new product boxes. I would try Russell Direct. I don't have
the number with me today but will post it tomorrow..

Hope this helps

culater john


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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:27:40 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing and stuff, again

> From: "Don & Teresa Neighbors"
> Subject: 12 Volts
> Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 22:33:21 -0400

> I'm probably throwing a monkey wrench into the works concerning the
> discussion of vacuum and mechanical advance, but a mechanical
> advance only conversion is popular among the air-cooled VW crowd
> because the mechanical advance distributor (Bosch 009) actually
> provides better mileage AND performance than the stock vacuum
> advance distributor does. I've had good luck on American iron by

Things keep occuring to me so my fingers keep messing with the
keyboard, dang! It's occured to me that one of the problems, now
that I think of it I already mentioned this, with stock distributors
is that they won't give you the 34 - 38 degrees mechanical advance at
WOT the engine needs for best performance so after market mechanical
distributors could, using some driving styles offer better economy
but the vac version will, IF SET UP RIGHT, beat the mechanical on
economy over all IMHO.

The way to get the best of both worlds, again IMHO, is to have a
mechanical setup which will get you the 34 - 38 you need from 500 -
3500 rpm or on a touring engine perhaps earlier, maybe 2800 - 3000
rpm and set the vac up to get the perfect advance for best response
and least throttle at cruise and let every thing else fall where it
will. This is going to be my next test in fact.

In reality, and I said I was going to do this too, the cam profile
has a lot to do with exactly how soon you get the advance all in but
I haven't studied that enough yet to make a comment, yet. (somebody
grab my fingers!!!)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:45:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing

> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:15:46 -0500
> From: "Donald R. Screen"
> Subject: Re: Timing

> Hi Gary,
> I'm trying to understand your description...please let me know if
> this is right. You're saying that with a lighter spring, the vacuum
> advance will provide more advance at a given vacuum hg pressure. Is
> this correct? I thought pinging would occur with too much advance
> so wouldn't you use a heavier spring to cut down on the amount of
> vacuum advance? I'm confused...HELP!

That's what I thought at first too but found out that the manifold
vacuum goes to zero so will fully retard the vac at near WOT even
with light spring pressure so it's not the culprit. All my pinging
problems were at low rpm and heavy throttle so I discerned that the
initial was the problem. By backing it down to 8 and loosening the
vac I kept the cruise advance intact but retarded the initial so it
could back out more at low rpms but pull in more at cruise to
compensate. Since you spend more time at cruise it has more effect
on the economy so I direct most of my tuning efforts at this portion
of the rpm band. You really can have your cake and eat it too IMHO
:-)

> PS. Anyone out there got a recommendation for a good adjustable
> timing light? How much should I expect to spend on it? How about
> timing tape. Anybody using this and where did you get it? Did you

All the performance catalogs have timing tape but what do you use an
adjustable timing light for? I keep hearing about it but never used
one or heard what the purpose is?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 05:58:27 -0700
From: "Deacon Blues"
Subject: 460 for the '73 F100

I was talking to a friend of a friend last night who has a 460 in his
yard. He made a remark about giving it to me for my truck. I didn't rush him
on it but let him know I was interested in taking it off his hands! I would
like to build a quick swap engine that I could pop in for street legal drags
at Pamona Raceway. I've setup my engine so I can pull it relatively fast. If
I could setup the 460 the same way it could be an interesting alter-ego for
the F100! He has the 4x drive train to go with it. I would take it but I
have no interest in owning another 4x. I could clean-up the gear and sell it
to finance the setup of the 460.
Presently I have a C4 and 3.25s in a 9" rear. Among the parts I would
need are motor mounts and a way to connect the exhaust. If the engine is
complete what else would I need for this venture. I haven't seen the engine
> so I don't know it's condition. The guy is a no BS Biker type and Tramps
tend not to make offers to Tramps they aren't willing to keep. But high
hopes are mother to disappoint, so I'm just kicking around the idea for now!
Later!



Deacon Blues
deconblu gte.net
'73 F100 302

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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:58:39 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: "tree forks" ranting

you bring up something that really gets me p*ss*d off lately!
the really stupid parts counter people at the big parts places. these guys
and girls have no clue! Now, even with a receipt at parts america, they
won't replace my universal joint that broke because the part in their new
box doesn't look like the broken part in my old box. but i haven't bought
universals anywhere else since i found out that they have a lifetime
garentee on the ones i use! their company changed the part. not me!
they seem totally ignorant of how to find a part without knowing make yeart
model engine transmission etc. my truck is a mutt! no parts are really
original and came from all kinds of sources! and have them actually look
in stock for a part "like this" and they go to lunch and never come back!
napa once gave me ripped gaskets, but refused to go back into the warhouse
to get a new box - i don't go there anymore. national can't seem to figure
out the right brake pad for anything i own, and in east stroudsburg pa tend
to hire airheaded girls that are there just for "looks" but can't tell me
where a 1/4 ntp to 1/8 ntp adapter might be on the shelf, 'cause it ain't
where i'd look for it.
this "too few forks in family tree" seems to have hit the local junk yards
too lately. i took in a yoke for a 9" rear that i broke. he says "what is
it from?"
"from a 9" rear."
"from what car?"
"a truck"
"what year truck?"
here's where i get aggrivated! it doesn't matter since there is really
only two kinds of yokes with some smaller variations of those two - take
the d*mn part i have to the shelves and see if you have one!

sorry for the ranting but i needed to get it out as the screaming i do at
the people doesn't seem to help and as of lately it is only getting worse.
those national auto ads lie, the parts guys really don't know cr*p about
cars, trucks, or even the basic operation of changing oil!

sleddog

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From: jniolon uss.com[SMTP:jniolon uss.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 2:50 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net; duckdon pacific.net
Subject: check valve bleeders

Don,

Russell makes the check valve bleeders.

You can buy them direct from Russell for about 12.00 each (i think)

They tell me that AutoZone sells them..but none of the AZ boys ever
heard of them and mumble something about "...special order...duh maybe
5 or 6 weeks..duh what was them things called again". (minumum forks
in family tree)

I saw them in Hot Rod (i think) several months ago in one of those
little new product boxes. I would try Russell Direct. I don't have
the number with me today but will post it tomorrow..

Hope this helps

culater john







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Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:06:24 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: Timing

an adjustable timing light alows you to dial in the degrees on the light so
you really only look at the zero mark on the dampener. with one of these
you only need to mark true TDC on the dampaner and forget about the timing
tape. it is easier and faster to do timing with one.

sleddog


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From: Gary, 78 BBB[SMTP:gpeters3 ford.com]
Sent: Monday, September 08, 1997 4:45 AM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: Timing

> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 1997 23:15:46 -0500
> From: "Donald R. Screen"
> Subject: Re: Timing

> Hi Gary,
> I'm trying to understand your description...please let me know if
> this is right. You're saying that with a lighter spring, the vacuum
> advance will provide more advance at a given vacuum hg pressure. Is
> this correct? I thought pinging would occur with too much advance
> so wouldn't you use a heavier spring to cut down on the amount of
> vacuum advance? I'm confused...HELP!....

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