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fordtrucks-digest Sunday, September 7 1997 Volume 01 : Number 198



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In this issue:

Re: F150 with 460 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Timing, vacs and stuff ["Mark Mech" ]
Re: L&L ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Timing, vacs and stuff ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
timning, advance, etc. [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: L&L ["George Shepherd" ]
carburation problem [SARHOG aol.com]
RE: carburation problem [Tim Baker ]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process [Daver ]
76 F-150 with 460 [DWBaile aol.com]
Re: Timing Chain Questions [Daver ]
Re: Mail, mime? [Daver ]
Re: MIME and Stuff? [Daver ]
Re: Bleeding Brakes [Daver ]
Re: Attachments, my view.... [Daver ]
Re: Bleeding Brakes [Don Grossman ]
ADMIN: Voting form on-line [Ken Payne ]
Re: Electrolisis derusting process ["jstrigas"
Spray on Bedliners? Yes or No? ["Dale and Donna Carmine"
Re: 76 F-150 with 460 ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: Timing, vacs and stuff [danadeb pacbell.net]

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:13:54 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: F150 with 460

> From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:14:47 +0000
> Subject: Re: F150 with 460

> This conversion has definitely been a learning experience. Mostly
> learning how to cuss like a sailor. I am trying to put a 460 in a
> '78 F-150 4x4. It had a 351M in it. Simple? NOT!. Found out the hard
> way that the frame is different in trucks with a 351M. The trucks
> with the 460 has a welded in crossmember that the 351M trucks
> doesn't have. I guess it is time to break down and order a
> conversion kit. +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and

I've never looked at the F series 4x4's too closely but the bronco
> has the cross member in front of the radiator with none under the
engine at all. The engine mount brackets are on the frame rails. Of
course this is for the 351M, 78 vintage.

Have you checked with L&L for conversion mounts? Just curious :-)


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:33:04 -0700
From: "Mark Mech"
Subject: Re: Timing, vacs and stuff

I'm only speaking from empirical knowledge of things that I have tried and
that worked on my particular engine. Now that I have a stock cam again, it
could all change.
I was thinking about setting up the timing as I described and then hooking
up the vacuum in addition.
However I was going to run the vac line through the cab with a bleeder
valve in line to control the advance while driving. I have an MSD and could
hook up the timing control to it, but I dont want to spend the $$ at this
point. It seems like a good way to experiment, but the bleeder will lean
the mix a bit.


Mark Mech
1913 E. El Parque
Tempe, Arizona 85282
aerofoam earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~aerofoam/

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 14:48:22 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: L&L

> From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 13:21:59 +0000
> Subject: L&L

> Is there a company called L&L that makes 460 conversion kits and
> what is the phone number and address? thanks. +-------------- Ford

I don't have the direct L&L but here's a distributor for them:

D & B sales
1-800-526-0064 or 517-625-3451

The guys say not to get the whole package, just the mounts and maybe
the headers if you need them since each mount company seems to be a
little different in their approach so not all headers work well with
all mounts. You'll need a van (or 4x4) oil pan with tube and
dipstick for side mount and 460 flex plate as the balance is
different from the 335 series and possibly a bigger radiator. Modine
makes the super cool 26 x 24 x 4, 4 tube which should work and can be
got for a good price from "Radiators Direct" on the web.

Give us a holler if you need any more info :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:01:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Timing, vacs and stuff

> From: "Mark Mech"
> Subject: Re: Timing, vacs and stuff
> Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:33:04 -0700

> stock cam again, it could all change. I was thinking about setting
> up the timing as I described and then hooking up the vacuum in
> addition. However I was going to run the vac line through the cab

I played with the curve on my 460 with a distributor machine and
tried: all in early, spread out over larger band and more total
with the 21 degree rotor and nothing I tried worked as well as the
stock curve. I wound up going to a junk yard and getting an old
points distributor and converting it to dura spark without altering
the mechanical advance and it ran very well after that. I played
with the vac trying to get a flat spot out and achieved a small
measure of success but the carb and cold manifold was most of the
problem. I put the stock spread bore back on with the hot cross over
and it runs nice now.

The way I play with the vac is carry a 1/8" allen wrench with me in
the ash tray and just stop on the side of the road and give it a turn
and go on my way. I like to give it a turn and drive it for a day or
so to get a good feel for what it's doing. That's what I did all
week and now I think I have it where I want it but might still move
it some more just for kicks and to try to glean more understanding.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:44:38 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: timning, advance, etc.

i'll steer away from the theoretical for now, and just tell you about one
of my engines. i ran a '68 460 with stock manifolds, 11.5:1 compression,
stock heads, 600 holley, and a good street cam for 2 years. the timing was
a ford destr. with the vacuum unhooked and as far as i know stock
springs-weights. i ran any gas, with very few ping or detination problems.
i used high octane when i knew i'd be running it hard, but just general
driving 87 worked fine MOST OF THE TIME. total advance was between 33-38
degrees, i don't remember initial. gas mileage with a heavy foot, 33"
mudders, 3.50 gears, in a 77 f150 4x4, c-6 auto with a close to stock
converter (about 2000rpm flash) was around 10mpg. the mileage dropped to
5mpg when run harder, or during those snow storms with the hubs locked.

sometimes things just plain work right, even if they seem like they
shouldn't. sure, more mileage would be possible, but 10 ain't bad. i
could go 4 wheeling all day on a tank sometimes.

(my current motor has 9:1, and runs on 87 no matter what, but gets MUCH
LESS mileage, and uses a msd timing computer, no vacuum. but makes earth
spinning torque up to 5000 rpm. in fact it just took a couple of teeth of
the ring gear at the last truck pull. and people say the 9" is a strong
unit! mileage is slao worse with the 3000 stall converter, bigger carb,
etc.)

sleddog

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 16:01:20 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: L&L

L & L Products, 3210 Century Dr., Rowlett, TX 75088. 972-475-5202.

I bought their 460 kit and am happy with it. There are several options.
They will be glad to send you a catalog.

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> From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: L&L
> Date: Saturday, September 06, 1997 8:21 AM
>
> Is there a company called L&L that makes 460 conversion kits and what
> is the phone number and address? thanks.
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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:11:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: SARHOG aol.com
Subject: carburation problem

My engine is running very rich, especially at idle, and I can't seem to
solve it. I have a 460 with 429 non-CJ heads, offenhauser 4" single plane
intake, tube headers to a dual exhaust, topped off with a holley model 4780
800 cfm double pumper carb with mechanical secondaries. The carb was rebuilt
recently, a 6.5" power valve put in, and jetted down to #69 jets in front and
#82 jets in back. Vacuum at idle is about 14-15", and initial timing is 12
BTDC. Here's the where it gets confusing....the idle mixture screws on the
primary metering block are BOTTOMED, and it is still idling rich. Those
mixture screws should completely shut off the fuel flow at idle, right?? Any
idea where the fuel is coming from? Thanks for any insight.

John Z.
67 F-100 460/C-6

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Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:10:09 +0100
From: Tim Baker
Subject: RE: carburation problem

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carb may be too big---check out Hot Rod Tips and Tricks prior =
issues----check library----show you how to drill and adjust ports to =
make carb. tuneable at idle..

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From: SARHOG aol.com
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 1997 10:11 PM
To: fordtrucks listservice.net
Subject: carburation problem

My engine is running very rich, especially at idle, and I can't =
seem to
solve it. I have a 460 with 429 non-CJ heads, offenhauser 4" single =
plane
intake, tube headers to a dual exhaust, topped off with a holley model =
4780
800 cfm double pumper carb with mechanical secondaries. The carb was =
rebuilt
recently, a 6.5" power valve put in, and jetted down to #69 jets in =
front and
#82 jets in back. Vacuum at idle is about 14-15", and initial timing is =
12
BTDC. Here's the where it gets confusing....the idle mixture screws on =
the
primary metering block are BOTTOMED, and it is still idling rich. Those
mixture screws should completely shut off the fuel flow at idle, right?? =
Any
idea where the fuel is coming from? Thanks for any insight.

John Z.
67 F-100 460/C-6




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