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fordtrucks-digest Wednesday, September 3 1997 Volume 01 : Number 187



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #181 [bbprice ]
RE: Brakes, an update [Kevin Lindstedt ]
'64 F100 Rear End Q's [Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)]
Re: speedometer gear [Jesus Cardoso ]
Body parts for 68 [Joe DeLaurentis ]
Re: microfilm/parts list [John MacNamara ]
RE: 400 cid [Kevin Kemmerer ]
Re: 400 cid [SuperMagot aol.com]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #181 ["Mark Mech" ]
re: Brakes, an update ["Payne, Kenneth" ]
re: 400 cid ["Payne, Kenneth" ]
re: Which Welder? ["Payne, Kenneth" ]
Re: F350 Brakes [John MacNamara ]
Re: Murphy's Law ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Wire welding 101 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: 400 cid ["Dave Resch"]
Re: F-350 Brakes ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
RE: Door Panels for 74 F250 [Tom Hogan ]
Re: Door Panels for 74 F250 [John MacNamara ]

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 06:06:56 -0400
From: bbprice
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #181

George Schott wrote:

> Well Don nothing really says that .023 is better than .030 or .035 or
> even .045 for that matter I was simply going by what was needed for
> the
> application .023 for sheetmetal work .030 for 1/8 to 3/16 .035 to 3/8
> and .045 for 1/2 and greater if you want to be technical that is.
>
> Duke's
> Fine 69
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Has anyone tried the rosin core wire welders? They are wire feed and
slightly cheaper than the MIG setups. If anyone has used one please let
me know. I am also in the process of making a decision on a
welder.Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 07:25:52 -0500
From: Kevin Lindstedt
Subject: RE: Brakes, an update

>> front of the distribution block. Unfortunately I haven't been able to
>> find the tool called out in the manual, as Ford has obsolete it(of
>> course).
>

>John,
> I believe you can pull out that piece with a pair of pliers and hold
>it in position with a pair of vise grips while you bleed the brakes.
>Don't think you really need that special tool in this case. Anybody
>wanna jump in here if I speak untruths? Not sure how much it will add
>to the proper bleeding of the brakes though.

>Don
>Allen, Texas

>PS. Chilton's or Haynes manuals should mention the same alternative to
>using the special bleeding tool. Just in case you wanna check what I'm
>saying here.

I'll vouch for Don, I've used the alternative method mentioned in my Haynes
manual with success. I'm also not sure it makes any difference when
bleeding the brakes though... :-)

Kevin Lindstedt
1978 F150 Ranger Lariat 460/C6


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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 05:50:34 -0700
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: '64 F100 Rear End Q's

I'm new to working on my truck and this list so have
patience, and please correct any terminology or naming
of parts. Let me know if I've left out any details that are
relevant to my problem. I'm familiar with working on
vehicles, (the make of which is probably unmentionable
on this list!) but I haven't done much with my truck until
just recently. I'll make a separate post describing the
truck later, sounds like this group will appreciate it.

My '64 F-100 is having problems stopping. I found
differential fluid coming out and proceeded to dismantle
the brakes to replace the axle seal. The unit came apart
rather easily (I had the rear bearings replaced a few
years ago), but I have a few questions.

1) What's the correct way to remove the old seal.
I can think of lots of incorrect ways! I need to take it
to the shop to get the proper replacement, I already
bought a wrong one.

2) Are the paper gaskets between the cover plate and
brake backing plate and between that and the diff housing
available or do I have to make my own?

3) I found some metallic chips behind (diff side) the seal.
Is this as bad as I think it could be? Such as the gears
in the diff going bad? Say it ain't so!

4) Does anyone have a diagram of the parts in this area
they can send me pmail?

5) How much interference fit should there be between the
OD of the bearing and the ID of the housing?

6) I'm on digest (at work) so please cc pmail, but then again
I've been working on this problem for 3 weeks, so what's a
little time shift from being on digest!

- - Jeff '64 F-100 Crewcab
Grass Valley, California, USA
Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 08:05:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: speedometer gear

Don,

The speedometer gear on my truck has five gears. I will try
Obsolete Ford sometime this week. Does anyone know if they have a web
site. If I have no luck with them could I possibly buy the gear that you
might have in your garage? Thanks.

Jesus Cardoso

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Don Grossman wrote:
> If it is a gear you say, how many teeth do you need on the gear? Have
> you tried Obsolete Ford Parts 405-631-3933. I might have one laying
> arround the garage if you ask nice. :) It will be plastic BTW.
>
> That VIN you are looking for, on the drivers side door would be the
> easiest. The next real good place is on the frame. Just in front of
> the cab on the passenger side. Just stand on your head in the engine
> compartment with a good light.
>
> I still haven't gotten my Mac's yet.
>
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
>
> 63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44
>
> Phase 172: rebuild front suspension
>
>
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Jesus Cardoso, a.k.a. Chuy
Graduate Research Assistant (Power System Automation Lab)
Dept. of Electrical Engineering, Texas A&M University
College Station, TX 77843-3128
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e-mail: cardoso ee.tamu.edu
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:::::::::::::::"Todos en el mundo sonreimos en la misma lengua.":::::::::::::::

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:07:33 -0400
From: Joe DeLaurentis
Subject: Body parts for 68

Were do you guys buy your body sheetmetal from???I need a drivers side
front fender...ANybody know of any boneyards?chances are probably slim
to none with 67-72's in it???
Joe

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 06:20:03 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: microfilm/parts list

Dave Walbeck wrote:
>
> I'm curious if anyone out there knows where to get ahold of Ford
> microfiche/film or a Ford master parts catalog for 73-79 F series
> trucks. Any help would be appreciated.
> Please direct E-mail me
> Thanks
> Dave complete and total FORDNUT
>
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Dave: I came across a "Collision Estimating Guide book" by Mitchell
that has a lot of part numbers for the body,trim and some of the
suspension. This is the closest I've come to getting part numbers for
the 73-79 trucks.

If you need a specific number and it's in this book, I'll be glad to
give it to you .

Thanks
John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab
67 GT500
66 Corvette

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:08:34 -0400
From: Kevin Kemmerer
Subject: RE: 400 cid

the 460 bolting pattern i believe.
sleddog

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From: George Shepherd[SMTP:texan iamerica.net]
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 1997 9:56 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Cc: dresch sybase.com
Subject: Re: 400 cid

Dave,

As the M-Block devotee, doew the M block use the small 5.0 5.8 block
transmission bolt pattern for a c-6 or a big (460) block transmission bolt
pattern.---------
.
>
> Dave R. (M-block devotee)
> 1980 F250 4x4 351M
>
>
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:28:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: 400 cid

To my knowledge the 351M-400M uses the same transmission bolt pattern as the
460.

- - Mike

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 06:42:42 -0700
From: "Mark Mech"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #181



The rosin core is just as messy as stick welding and that kind of defeats
the purpose of a wire feed in my opinion.

Mark Mech
1913 E. El Parque
Tempe, Arizona 85282
aerofoam earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~aerofoam/
> Has anyone tried the rosin core wire welders? They are wire feed and
> slightly cheaper than the MIG setups. If anyone has used one please let
> me know. I am also in the process of making a decision on a
> welder.Thanks.
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:55:28 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: re: Brakes, an update

Forwarded for:
["Jason K. Schechner" ]
On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, Donald R. Screen wrote:

> > front of the distribution block. Unfortunately I haven't been able
to
> > find the tool called out in the manual, as Ford has obsolete it(of
> > course).
>
> John,
> I believe you can pull out that piece with a pair of pliers and
hold
> it in position with a pair of vise grips while you bleed the brakes.
> Don't think you really need that special tool in this case. Anybody
> wanna jump in here if I speak untruths? Not sure how much it will add
> to the proper bleeding of the brakes though.

I've done that a couple times on my Broncos. I use a small
screwdriver to catch the lip on the small pin and grab it wit ha pair of
vise grips. I think it works ok, though my pedal is still pretty
spongy.
One of these days I'll take that Bronco in and have it pressure-bled...

- -Jason
79 Bronco (351M, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - road beast
95 Mustang GT - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing

- -----
Jason K. Schechner - Unix Sysadmin - Oracle Corp
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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:02:30 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: re: 400 cid

Forwarded for:
["Jason K. Schechner" ]

On Tue, 2 Sep 1997, George Shepherd wrote:

> Dave,
>
> As the M-Block devotee, doew the M block use the small 5.0 5.8 block
> transmission bolt pattern for a c-6 or a big (460) block transmission
bolt
> pattern.---------

The 351/400 uses the bigblock bolt pattern.

- -Jason
79 Bronco (351M, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - road beast
95 Mustang GT - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing

- -----
Jason K. Schechner - Unix Sysadmin - Oracle Corp
check out www.cauce.org and help ban spam-mail.

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:06:49 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: re: Which Welder?

Forwarded for:
["Jason K. Schechner" ]

I bought a Lincoln SP125+ a few months ago and I love it. It's
110V, MIG, and has an infinately adjustable output, which you can adjust
while running. Some people say they wouldn't use that if they had it,
but
I've found it to be very handy, especially being new at welding, I can
tune my equipment to make up for my lack of skill and still turn out a
very nice weld.
Whichever unit you decide on I would stick to Lincoln, Miller
and
Hobart as the big three brands. Stay away from generics.

- -Jason
79 Bronco (351M, C6, 33" BFG AT's) GRN GYNT - offroad monster
79 Bronco (400M, C6, 31" Wranglers) blue - road beast
95 Mustang GT - Eibachs, 3.55's, K&N, 13deg timing

- -----
Jason K. Schechner - Unix Sysadmin - Oracle Corp
check out www.cauce.org and help ban spam-mail.

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 07:12:52 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: F350 Brakes

AM14 chrysler.com wrote:
>
> I own a 1976 F350. USED and ABUSED on the farm and it will slide the tires on
> asphalt with 7000# of gravel on it. Never been a problem stopping. I think you
> guys with brake problems need to look closer at something. If my memory serves
> me correctly it has 3" wide shoes on the rear. Fronts are of course disc.
> Don't know the dia. of them, but I remember the pads are huge. The 'piston' in
> the Master Cyl is also much larger than normal pickups. If you have replaced
> the Master Cyl, I would make sure it is for the Heavy duty F350, (Cab &
> chasis) and not the pickup style F350.
>
> WORKING TO BE THE BEST
> Azie Magnusson
> PROFS ID (AM14):E-Mail AM14 Chrysler.com
> Tie Line (835-2578):Outside (205)464-2578
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Azie: Can you tell me if there is a way to differentiate between the
F350 master cylinder you are referring to and a regular one? Is there a
part number or something I can reference?

Thanks!
John MacNamara
78 F250 4X4 Supercab

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:13:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Murphy's Law

> From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:08:09 +0000
> Subject: Murphy's Law

> I'm not going into all the things that went wrong with this engine
> swap, but the last thing that went wrong was when the engine hoist
> bent a leg and the 460 came tumbling down. Please let me know that
> I'm not the only one that has problems when I try to do something
> like this. +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older

A friend of mine who has little resources spent $1600 to rebuild a
351M in his 77 F-250, ran it about a year and pulled into my drive
way with no engine. We pulled one head, found a broken spring, bent
push rod and destroyed lifter in the lifer valley along with a
shattered distributor gear. When pulling the head one bolt refused
to budge with 6 point, impact socket and 3/4" drive ratchet with 24"
handle (I think his buddy used an air impact to torque the head
bolts) and I had to cut it with a torch. The head's ruined and one
piston has some serious dents in it and I'm sure the cam is toast.

I feel bad for him and have no time right now to help him fix it.
I'm sure he feels about like you right now :-( He's an ex-con and
can't get a decent job so he uses the truck to salvage, haul and
whatever he can find to make a few bucks.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:17:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Wire welding 101

> From: OldTrux aol.com
> Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:37:43 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #181

> Can a welder that is sold as a 030 wire feed be fed 024 wire with no
> other changes? +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and

The feed rolls should match the wire size as should the tubing in the
hose and the weld tip or nozzle. The tip is precision fit to the
wire for good electrical contact without arcing etc. so must be sized
for the wire. I think you will have trouble if you run that size
wire but since I've never done it I can't say for sure.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:41:05 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: 400 cid

I sent this directly to George before I saw his message in the digest, so
I'm posting to the list also, in case anyone else is interested.

George:
The M-block (351M/400) uses the same bell housing bolt pattern as the big
block (429/460). Of course, for an automatic transmission, the "bell
housing" is integral with the transmission case, so if the transmission
bolts up to a 429/460, it also bolts up to a 351M/400.

Cheers,
Dave R

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:44:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: F-350 Brakes

> From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
> Subject: F-350 Brakes
> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 17:26:52 -0500

> very long stopping distances. My co-workers claim that this was
> ford's early 'anti-lock' system (g). It's o.k. out in the country

I'm having the same wonderful experience with my 78 bronco. So far
I've replaced the master cylinder/booster, checked all the cylinders,
replaced shoes even though they looked like new and added stainless
braided flex lines and new steel lines as well as an adjustable
proportioning valve. Now if I stand on them with all my strength I
can lock them up and even though the pedal feels fairly solid it just
won't stop very well, not like my T bird any way and you'd think a
truck would have better brakes than a car wouldn't you?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:03:02 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: RE: Door Panels for 74 F250

If you mean the interior door panels, the latest JC Whitney catalog I
got has them listed for the 73-79. They had a decent color selection
too, but they did not have the color I needed (Green). I'm thinking
about changing the color scheme for the upholstery in my truck. Anybody
have an opinion on what color upholstery would look good in a green
truck?

BTW, the catalog also lists the weather strip that goes on the bottom of
the side window inside and outside.




Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:28 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Door Panels for 74 F250

Does any body have any idea where I can get replacement door panels for
a 74
F250, OEM or custom built?

Thanks

TTFN

Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.
1966 Ford F100, 240 C.I. Straight Six, Warner T-18 4-Speed, Short Box.
My Blood runs "TRUE BLUE FORD on Four Wheels and Pure HARLEY on Two
Wheels!"

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Date: Wed, 03 Sep 1997 09:16:46 -0700
From: John MacNamara
Subject: Re: Door Panels for 74 F250

Tom Hogan wrote:
>
> If you mean the interior door panels, the latest JC Whitney catalog I
> got has them listed for the 73-79. They had a decent color selection
> too, but they did not have the color I needed (Green). I'm thinking
> about changing the color scheme for the upholstery in my truck. Anybody
> have an opinion on what color upholstery would look good in a green
> truck?
>
> BTW, the catalog also lists the weather strip that goes on the bottom of
> the side window inside and outside.
>
> Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 14:17:28 -0700
> From: Keith Srb
> Subject: Door Panels for 74 F250
>
> Does any body have any idea where I can get replacement door panels for
> a 74
> F250, OEM or custom built?
>
> Thanks
>
> TTFN
>
> Keith Srb herbie netvalue.net
> 1986 Ford Bronco II, 2.9L (I HATE LITERS) V-6, Mitsubishi 5-Speed.
> 1980 Harley Davidson, XLH, Rebuilt from the frame up.
> 1974 Ford F250 Ranger XLT, 390ci 4bbl, Automatic, Long Box, Style Side.....


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