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Date: Sun, 31 Aug 1997 04:00:36 -0600 (MDT)
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fordtrucks-digest Sunday, August 31 1997 Volume 01 : Number 179



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In this issue:

Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174 [aw2bme ]
T-18 tranny questions ["Mark Mech" ]
Re: New Guy , bushings ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist. ["Gary, 78 BBB"
Motor Mounts [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
New Guy [Adrian Carter ]
Starting a neglected '51 [NTalbott7 aol.com]
Re: Starting a neglected '51 ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist. [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174 ["Deacon Blue" ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174 ["Deacon Blue" ]
Disk for the rear '73 F100 ["Deacon Blue" ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174 [Don Grossman ]
C6 transmission [reedg ns2.cetlink.net]
Re: C6 transmission [SuperMagot aol.com]

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 09:50:12 -0500
From: aw2bme
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174

flat-head juno.com wrote:
>
> A list for just us people with '60 and older trucks wuold be a really
> cool deal!! It'd sure cut down on the amount of stuff I personally have
> to wade thru.
> Mike Wright
>
> ---The two Major items to
> ---come out of Berkeley are
> ---UNIX and LSD.
> ---This is probably not a coincidence.
> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older --------------+
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Yes, I agreee......what a waist of time!!!!
I am busy try'n to rebuild my 1950 Ford F-1 flathead and don't have time
to share everyone elses problems and questions.
How about a section for the Ford Flathead lovers!!!!
You've my VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 08:15:38 -0700
From: "Mark Mech"
Subject: T-18 tranny questions

I am in the process of putting a new stock engine in my 71 F-100 and
decided that since it is accessable, I better put a new seal on the tranny
input shaft.
I pulled the cover/throwout guide and now I have some questions regarding
the assembly.
Since the seal is installed backwards in the cover,
do I have to find a piece of pipe or a socket that will fit inside the seal
lip in order to press it in without damaging it? And the input shaft has a
little side to side play, Should I or can I replace the bearing or is this
just the normal preload of this bearing? It hasnt been a problem, I am just
taking preventative measures.Also, after I get the engine in I was thinking
about replacing the output seal and I need to know if there is any sort of
crush sleeve proceedure and can I work the yoke nut off with an impact
wrench?
Thanks in advance.


Mark Mech
1913 E. El Parque
Tempe, Arizona 85282
aerofoam earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~aerofoam/

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:07:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: New Guy , bushings

> From: Tom Hogan
> Subject: Re: New Guy
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:36:19 -0700

> move with the I beam. 3. Has anyone tried replacing the rubber
> bushings with polyurethane. I've seen poly replacements and wondered
> if they would create a harsh ride or excess noise.

I put poly bushings in my bronco and it has made the steering
response more mushy but the ride quality is a little better now. It
doesn't wander it just feels like pushing your fist into a soft foot
ball when you turn a corner etc. but that's primariy due to the track
bar flex and it's bushing in my case. It goes where I expect it,
just not as crisply as my T Bird :-)

I should think the bushings would have to be VERY soft to cause
wandering since the geometry is primarily responsible for controling
that and will if it's free enough to do it's job in my experience
anyway :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:50:02 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

> From: danadeb pacbell.net
> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:49:16 -0700
> Subject: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

> There is a physical difference between the old (pre 73ish) vacuum
> advance cans and the Dura Spark II. The dist is on my 460 in my 1970

Don't shoot me if you've already looked into this but it's my opinion
that the engine never sees all the advance available in the vac when
under any load but due to lean idle mixture etc. needs the extra
advance for best idle smootheness. The vac will only be fully open
on decelleration and at idle but the point where this happens can be
adjusted with the spring tension.

Consider this: at 60 mph you get about 14" on the vac, on
decelleration maybe 25" and at idle maybe 20". At any throttle
opening under load you get less than 14 so what ever it puts in at 14
is essentially what you're concerned with and this can be adjusted
again with the spring pressure.

There are several vac's which work with this distributor but since
they are all lean burn versions they will probably have 30 degrees or
so built in but will have different spring rates which will
effectively move the advance where you want it IMHO at least. I will
be playing with this myself soon, perhaps this weekend :-)

The 10 - 12 initial and 34 - 38 degree total timing you keep hearing
about is for racing where the engine basically runs at WOT all the
time and in the case of a performance street machine the vac is out
of the loop under these conditions anyway so the key IMHO (and I'm
going to test this in the next few days) is to get the vac to drop
out of the loop soon enough to avoid spark knock at low rpms which
can be accomplished, again with the spring pressure. (I hope)

If you really think you need to block it you can remove the stator
plate and put a screw in it as a stop. The plate is soft steel and
can be drilled and tapped. Use an allen head, fine thread screw
with the head left up for the stop and the bottom end filed flush to
allow free movement of the plates over each other :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:19:25 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Motor Mounts

Does anyone know where I can find the motor mounts for a 302 into a 69
F-100 2wd.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 11:57:30 -0600
From: Adrian Carter
Subject: New Guy

Hi All,
Well, my brother just came back from his holiday pulling a 5th wheeler
and says his arms are sore from fighting the 74 F350 and it's going up
for sale. Yesterday, he bought himself another truck a 95 of which
I am not going to mention on this list.
So the F350 is out of the picture and my 79 F150 is providing me an
excellent service.
I wish to thank all the fellows who took the time to reply to me and
especially to Garry for your advice. He did replace the plastic bushings
and he says it's the long steering box, but he was fed up with it.
Thank Again, fellows. I shall be unscribing.
- --
Adrian VE6AFY
cartera cuug.ab.ca
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.cuug.ab.ca/~cartera

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: NTalbott7 aol.com
Subject: Starting a neglected '51

My son and I are starting to restore a 1951, flat-head V-8 that has always
been in the family. I want to use this as an education for him. It has not
been cranked in 7-8 years. I want to crank it without total breakdown, and
have had several recommendations for removing the spark plugs and filling the
crank case with several different things. I would greatly appreciate any
advice.
Also, can you recommend any restoration books?

Blake and Nathaniel

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:35:00 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Starting a neglected '51

> From: NTalbott7 aol.com
> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:14:15 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Starting a neglected '51

> My son and I are starting to restore a 1951, flat-head V-8 that has
> always been in the family. I want to use this as an education for
> him. It has not been cranked in 7-8 years. I want to crank it
> without total breakdown, and have had several recommendations for

My guess is that the crank will be badly pited and the rings may be
set up so that attempting to crank it may break a ring and score the
cylinder rendering the block useless for a rebuild without sleeving.
Dumping fuel oil or some such in there will only loosen dibris which
will find it's way into things. I recommend you pop the pan and
pull one or two main caps to get a glimps of the general condition
and pull off one head and take a peek before you try it. Once you
look inside you may decide to tear it down.

You may get lucky and It may even run for a while but if your
intention is to restore it, why not start with the engine? This
would be a great way to start his education. My grand dad gave me an
old washing machine engine to play with and I could take it apart and
put it back together blindfolded when I was 13 years old. This
started a life long love for mechanical things which still
eats up all my spare time (and agrivates my wife) today :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 13:08:03 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

The trouble started the day after I brought the truck home. the gear on
the end of the dist sheared the roll pin. ( I fixed the oil pump problem
that caused it ) I went to the local auto parts store and bought a
rebuilt point dist. All was fine until the used vacuum canister
developed a leak. ( it was one of the good ones with removable spring
and stop )I replaced the canister with a newer style canister (
adjustable spring tension only) because that's all they had. Since then
I have had a time trying to get the spark curve correct. The newer style
canisters seem to have around 20-30 deg of advance add that to the 10
deg of mechanical plus 6 or so initial and you get 36-46 deg total as
measured from the damper pulley. I have replaced the dist many times now
one actually came from the rebuilder with 50 total deg's of advance.
finally I decided to switch over to a Dura Spark II system. From the
rebuilder it has a total of 30 deg's advance the mechanical starts at
2500 and is all in by around 3000-3500 the vacuum can provide 20 deg's
and seems to come on too fast.

Stats:
1970 F250

1974 460 automotive eng.

Timing chain replaced. (I believe the cam is now straight up or at worst
4 deg's retarded. Stock is 8 deg's retarded)

1977 Dura Spark II dist. and control module. set at 0 deg initial

Spread bore 1974 Motorcraft carb

C6 auto

33" rear tires

3.54 rear ratio


Symptom:

Under slow acceleration every thing is ok.

Under medium to hard acceleration, engine misses and backfires.

Before switch to Dura Spark II at above 2500 rpm at freeway speeds very
noticeable miss.

After switch miss is almost gone but still have acceleration problems.


I hope I have provided enough info.

Thanks Again
Dana

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 14:22:15 -0700
From: "Deacon Blue"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174

Ken you want my suggestion go for the Jeep and lets dump pea-brained pukes
like this! I've about had it with some Ford people! Then some are the
coolest people I've had the pleasure to meet! But anyone so self centered
that would say

>> A list for just us people with '60 and older trucks wuold be a really
>> cool deal!! It'd sure cut down on the amount of stuff I personally have
>> to wade thru.
>> Mike Wright

or

>Yes, I agreee......what a waist of time!!!!
>I am busy try'n to rebuild my 1950 Ford F-1 flathead and don't have time
>to share everyone elses problems and questions.
>How about a section for the Ford Flathead lovers!!!!
>You've my VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!

I say give me a DODGE and let these guys burn in HELL! I agree what waste of
time, go cry to someone who gives a shit! By the way, "waist" is where your
belt is genius!

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

- -----Original Message-----
From: aw2bme
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Date: Saturday, August 30, 1997 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174



>flat-head juno.com wrote:
>>
>> A list for just us people with '60 and older trucks wuold be a really
>> cool deal!! It'd sure cut down on the amount of stuff I personally have
>> to wade thru.
>> Mike Wright
>>
>> ---The two Major items to
>> ---come out of Berkeley are
>> ---UNIX and LSD.
>> ---This is probably not a coincidence.
>> +-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older --------------+
>> | Send posts to fordtrucks listservice.net, |
>> | Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks-request listservice.net |
>> +-- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ --+
>Yes, I agreee......what a waist of time!!!!
>I am busy try'n to rebuild my 1950 Ford F-1 flathead and don't have time
>to share everyone elses problems and questions.
>How about a section for the Ford Flathead lovers!!!!
>You've my VOTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks listservice.net, |
>| Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks-request listservice.net |
>+-- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ --+

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 15:57:30 -0700
From: "Deacon Blue"
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174

Sorry about the post! I'm having other problems and took it out in the
wrong place! Ever have one of those lives? Please disregard my infantile
tantrum!

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 18:00:41 -0700
From: "Deacon Blue"
Subject: Disk for the rear '73 F100

Hi All!
A pleasant post this time :) I went to a Pick A Part the other day and
was looking at a Lincoln with rear disk and was wondering if it would bolt
on to my 9". The Lincoln had a 9" rear but with coils and looked to be a
little shorter than the one in my truck. They want $120 for the backing
plates, calipers, disks and master cylinder. It would be well worth the
price if it is adaptable. Any thoughts?

PS I'm changing ISPs so the homepage is history for a couple of weeks. Then
I'll be in a better mood ;]
Later!

Deacon Blue
jstrigas worldnet.att.net
It's here, It's thin. It's under construction. It's my Homepage!
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jstrigas/Homepage
or if your a Tbird fan
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dragonfire.net/~site/tbirdknights/

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 19:18:24 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174

Deacon Blue wrote:
>
> Sorry about the post! I'm having other problems and took it out in the
> wrong place! Ever have one of those lives? Please disregard my infantile
> tantrum!
>
> Deacon Blue

For a minute I thought you were serious. ;)
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 22:28:40 +0000
From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
Subject: C6 transmission

Quick question. My C6 transmission will not engage into drive until
it warms up. I goes into reverse fine. But after it warms up
everything is fine. Its a '78. Any thoughts?

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Date: Sat, 30 Aug 1997 23:53:56 -0400 (EDT)
From: SuperMagot aol.com
Subject: Re: C6 transmission

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