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fordtrucks-digest Saturday, August 30 1997 Volume 01 : Number 178



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In this issue:

68/69 bell housing and tranny assembly ["Mark Mech"
[none] [Tom Hogan ]
Re: New Guy [Tom Hogan ]
Re: ["Mark Mech" ]
Re: Transmission Swap ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: VIN placement ["George Shepherd" ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #177 [GTowns1224 aol.com]
List splitting [Tim Browne ]
Re: Transmission swap [Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)]
Re: Exhaust/Rims????For 68 [OldTrux aol.com]
1960 and older list split ["Lee Hardy" ]
Mercury truck production numbers [Ken Payne ]
Re: No Subject [GMPACHECO aol.com]
Distributor ["Kevin" ]
Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist. [danadeb pacbell.net]
Re: VIN placement [Ken Payne ]
Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist. [Don Grossman
Re: New Guy [mcat epix.net]
Re: Distributor [Don Grossman ]
JC Whitney Catalog [Ctrucknut aol.com]
ABS [Steve ]

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 07:50:56 -0700
From: "Mark Mech"
Subject: 68/69 bell housing and tranny assembly

I have a 71 F-100.The last time I rebuilt the engine in 1990 I replaced the
3sp. tranny with the big side loading 4sp. with planetary gears for granny
and reverse. Someone told me that it is refered to as the rock crusher
tranny. I also bought a bellhousing at that time. My bellhousing has some
cracks near the entry of the shift fork in a rather non critical spot that
isnt load bearing. I took it to a friends shop the other day and we
determined that if I grind out the cracks and fill them with braze it
should be fine.(I already drilled the cracks.) I had a friend at the dealer
check the junk yards for the bellhousing and he told me it was from a 68 or
69 and it was no longer being made by Ford and none of the junk yards had
one.
My questions are:
Is there another bellhousing that will fit? (302)
Is the tranny or parts available?
I am probably ok for now, but I'm just trying to plan ahead in case I
should start looking for a completely different assembly.
Also the output shaft of the tranny is leaking a little.
Is this a difficult seal? Do I have to recrush anything in the process?
Does the yoke come off with just that one nut? If anyone could be of
assistance I would appreciate it. I am weel aquainted with the finer
aspects of seal removal micro surgery, I just dont know anything about that
tail assembly.
Thank you for you replies.


Mark Mech
1913 E. El Parque
Tempe, Arizona 85282
aerofoam earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~aerofoam/

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:23:38 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: [none]

Try:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.catalogsite.com/Gen/CategoryMenu.html

Then search on J.C. Whitney. It's not their web site but it has contact
phone numbers and you can order the catalog online free. That's how I
got mine ;o).

Tom H.

- - -----Original Message-----
From: GMPACHECO aol.com [SMTP:GMPACHECO aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 28, 1997 7:49 PM
To: fordtrucks ListService.net
Subject: Re: Transmission Swap

Does anyone know the web site for JC Whitney? I sure can't find it...

Mike in Seattle

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:36:19 -0700
From: Tom Hogan
Subject: Re: New Guy

I'd like to jump in with a couple of questions.
1. Are the radius arms the pieces that connect each of the twin "I"
beams to the frame?
2. If so what should the hole in the bracket that holds them to the
frame look like? Mine looks pretty oblong and I'm not sure if its wear
or original design to allow the arm to move with the I beam.
3. Has anyone tried replacing the rubber bushings with polyurethane.
I've seen poly replacements and wondered if they would create a harsh
ride or excess noise.

The two 76s that I have owned had the wandering blues too. I thought it
was part of the design to help keep the driver awake/alert ;o). If I
could tighten up the suspension and make it track better that would be
great. I was actually pulled over on suspicion of DUI before I changed
the steering coupler (I swear I was 100% sober. Didn't even see a drink
that day)!! The messages I've been following on this subject so far
have given me several things to try.

Many Thanks
Tom H.

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Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:38:50 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: New Guy

Jim the affected trucks at the time were 73-77 as I remeber. I don`t
remeber the bulletin number or the date. Some old dealr might have the
info if they still have the books.

Garry
- - --- On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:22:16 -0700 Jim Strigas
wrote:

> > I had a 75 f250 many yrs ago that wandered as well as wore tires
out.
>>had the alignment checked and rechecked. Finaly my ford parts man found
an
>>obscure bulletin that adressed the problem. Seems that the radius arm
>>bushings were a softer rubber and would compress under load. When
setting
>>still everything was normal. I replaced the bushings and the truck drove
>>and handled better than new. Ford changed the compound in the bushings
but
>>never told. The part no was different but the only way to find it at the
>>time was to read the bulletin. I drove this truck untill 85 and finaly
>>bought a new one.I still miss the ole gal. Hope this helps.
>> Garry
>


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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:57:36 -0700
From: "Mark Mech"
Subject: Re:

I was wrong about the tranny in my last post it has a cover on the side but
it looks like the top comes off, so I guess its a top loader.

Mark Mech
1913 E. El Parque
Tempe, Arizona 85282
aerofoam earthlink.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~aerofoam/

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:00:15 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: Transmission Swap

Depends on which engine and trans is in it now. the 460 is an Big Block
bolt pattern for the transmission. I think 351m and 400m usedthe same bolt
pattern.

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> From: reedg ns2.cetlink.net
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Transmission Swap
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 2:49 PM
>
> I am swapping a 460 out of a 77 Lincoln Towncar into a '78 F150 4x4.
> I am swapping the transmission also. Do I need to swap the output
> shaft along with it? And if I do, do I have to take the whole trans
> apart to swap the output shaft? Thanks in advance for any help.
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 14:05:08 -0500
From: "George Shepherd"
Subject: Re: VIN placement

It is on the frame, I think passenger side, just fwd of cab mount. (maybe
drivers side, but pretty sure just fwd of cab mount.

- ----------
> From: Ken Payne
> To: fordtrucks ListService.net
> Subject: Re: VIN placement
> Date: Thursday, August 28, 1997 9:47 PM
>
> At 05:38 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Where did ford put vin #"s at on 67-72 Ford trucks besides the ds door
> >Is it stamped into the frame anywhere????
> >Joe
>
> Only place I know of is the door.
>
> -Ken
> List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
> Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:16:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: GTowns1224 aol.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #177

I am only interested in the 1959/60 and older trucks. I believe that was
option a.
Actually I own a 1950 F2 truck that I will be rebuilding sometime in the
future.

Thanks, Gary Townsend

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 17:37:00 -0500
From: Tim Browne
Subject: List splitting

> As the owner of a 1960 F-100 I like the idea of another list split -
> but
> not 1960/61-1979 trucks. The 57 thru 60 should stay in the same list
> as
> they're very similar. 1960 & older or 63 & older works for me.



> Tim Browne
> 1960 F-100
> What do you call a work in progress that doesn't progress?

> My truck!

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:51:32 -0400
From: Schottsweb webtv.net (George Schott)
Subject: Re: Transmission swap

Mike,
J.C. Whitney has a web site but it is still under construction I just
checked it has been under construction for about a year though so best
bet is to call.

Duke's
Fine 69

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:08:01 -0400 (EDT)
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust/Rims????For 68

What are your plans for your old wheels if you replace them with new
after-market ones?

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:35:53 -0400
From: "Lee Hardy"
Subject: 1960 and older list split

Ken: please count me as strongly in favor of 1960 and older list split.
Keep up the good work, we all appreciate it, and the growth shows it works
well. Thanks, Lee Hardy

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:50:52 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Mercury truck production numbers

Someone asked for this last this week. I hope this is what they
were looking for:

Mercury Production in Canada

1946 - 4,817
1947 - 8,099
1948 - 10,073
1949 - 11,984
1950 - 12,116
1951 - 12,092
1952 - 12,676
1953 - 10,363
1954 - 6,204
1955 - 4,315
1956 - 6,959
1957 - 6,523
1958 - 3,814
1959 - 5,380
1960 - 5,381
1961 - 4,940
1962 - 8,060

- -Ken

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:05:48 -0400 (EDT)
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: Re: No Subject

Thank you, I have order the catalog. (JC Whitney)

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 20:22:20 -0000
From: "Kevin"
Subject: Distributor

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:49:16 -0700
From: danadeb pacbell.net
Subject: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

I have been trying to find an adjustable vacuum advance canister for my
Dura Spark II Distributor. The ones I have seen to date are only
adjustable in the tension on the spring not the total amount of advance
or speed of the advance. So far I have gone threw 4 different canisters,
most have way too much advance (20-30 deg). There is a physical
difference between the old (pre 73ish) vacuum advance cans and the Dura
Spark II. The dist is on my 460 in my 1970 F250 (1974 engine)
Thanks

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 21:47:56 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: VIN placement

At 08:09 PM 8/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>Ken Payne wrote:
>>
>> At 05:38 PM 8/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Where did ford put vin #"s at on 67-72 Ford trucks besides the ds door
>> >Is it stamped into the frame anywhere????
>> >Joe
>>
>> Only place I know of is the door.
>>
>> -Ken
>> List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
>> Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com
>
>It should also be on the right(PS) frame rail just behind the motor and
>just in front of the cab. I have seen it also placed on the Left(DS)
>frame rail under the bed about in the middle but don't remember what
>year truck that was. I had or have, if just having the just the title
>and vin plate count, a 58 that has the vin stamped on the front axle.
>There are some tags in the engine compartment that might have the vin #.
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>
>
>63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Don,

I sure am glad you're on our list! I just went out and checked, and
sure enough, there's a painted VIN tag on the top of the firewall
near the brake booster on my 67.

- -Ken
List Administrator, 1967 Ford F100, 390FE V8
Our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:55:25 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Vacuum advance Dura spark II dist.

danadeb pacbell.net wrote:
>
> I have been trying to find an adjustable vacuum advance canister for my
> Dura Spark II Distributor. The ones I have seen to date are only
> adjustable in the tension on the spring not the total amount of advance
> or speed of the advance. So far I have gone threw 4 different canisters,
> most have way too much advance (20-30 deg). There is a physical
> difference between the old (pre 73ish) vacuum advance cans and the Dura
> Spark II. The dist is on my 460 in my 1970 F250 (1974 engine)
> Thanks

Steve Delanty, if you could elaborate and share with us some of your
experience on this subject......:-)
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 97 21:59:13 PDT
From: mcat epix.net
Subject: Re: New Guy

Tom
The answer to question 1 is yes. Question 2, the holes are susposed
to be round. The fix is to make new pieces to tack weld over the holes to
correct the oblong holes. Question 3 I don`t know, but I would bet it
would not affect the ride. It might improve the tire wear in the long run
as well as the handling.
Garry
- --- On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:36:19 -0700 Tom Hogan
wrote:

>I'd like to jump in with a couple of questions.
>1. Are the radius arms the pieces that connect each of the twin "I"
>beams to the frame?
>2. If so what should the hole in the bracket that holds them to the
>frame look like? Mine looks pretty oblong and I'm not sure if its wear
>or original design to allow the arm to move with the I beam.
>3. Has anyone tried replacing the rubber bushings with polyurethane.
>I've seen poly replacements and wondered if they would create a harsh
>ride or excess noise.
>
>The two 76s that I have owned had the wandering blues too. I thought it
>was part of the design to help keep the driver awake/alert ;o). If I
>could tighten up the suspension and make it track better that would be
>great. I was actually pulled over on suspicion of DUI before I changed
>the steering coupler (I swear I was 100% sober. Didn't even see a drink
>that day)!! The messages I've been following on this subject so far
>have given me several things to try.
>
>Many Thanks
>Tom H.
>
>------------------------original message------------------
>Date: Wed, 27 Aug 97 12:38:50 PDT
>From: mcat epix.net
>Subject: Re: New Guy
>
> Jim the affected trucks at the time were 73-77 as I remeber. I don`t
>remeber the bulletin number or the date. Some old dealr might have the
>info if they still have the books.
>
> Garry
>- --- On Sun, 24 Aug 1997 08:22:16 -0700 Jim Strigas
> wrote:
>
>> > I had a 75 f250 many yrs ago that wandered as well as wore tires
>out.
>>>had the alignment checked and rechecked. Finaly my ford parts man found
>an
>>>obscure bulletin that adressed the problem. Seems that the radius arm
>>>bushings were a softer rubber and would compress under load. When
>setting
>>>still everything was normal. I replaced the bushings and the truck drove
>>>and handled better than new. Ford changed the compound in the bushings
>but
>>>never told. The part no was different but the only way to find it at the
>>>time was to read the bulletin. I drove this truck untill 85 and finaly
>>>bought a new one.I still miss the ole gal. Hope this helps.
>>> Garry
>>
>
>+-------------- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1979 and Older --------------+
>| Send posts to fordtrucks listservice.net, |
>| Send Unsubscribe requests to fordtrucks-request listservice.net |
>+-- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ --+
>

- -----------------End of Original Message-----------------


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Name: Garry
E-mail: mcat epix.net
Date: 8/29/97 Time: 9:59:13 PM

427 Fe powered 56 F-100 Wild by design
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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 19:28:29 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: Distributor

Kevin wrote:
>
>  I'm doing an engine swap for a friend, putting a 302 out of a 1984
> F-150 to a 1972 F-100, he want to use the
>
> 84 distributor. My question is, how do I hook up the ignition module
> to the 72?

Ok, Let me see here, the tach is run off the module, and it has a 3 wire
arrangement to the distributor. A three wire power arrangement like the
Duraspark II. My not so reliable book here says it is the EEC-IV.
Power wires should be, White=run, This should be swiched power on
start and run only. Red=start, This will come off your starter rely so
when you are starting your engine the computer will know this and retard
the timeing for easier starting. It will be the terminal marked S on
the relay. Then there is a white and pink wire? This runs to the EEC.
Here is where you might run into trouble. I do not know if this
distributor will run with being hooked up to the EEC. Without the EEC
the TFI on the distributor will be no use, aka no advance or retard to
the timing. The EEC uses all of the other sensors in the vehicle, O2,
TP, coolant temp, and on and on to run the engine.

You might be better off getting a distributor for an earlier truck 83
and back with the vacume advance. Or even using a regular aftermarket
distrubitor package.

If you are serious about changing the entire electrical system get a
very complete wiring diagram and a large ice chest. (Full preferably)
:-)
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


63 Ford F-250 4x4 67' 390, t-98, Spicer 24, Dana 60, Dana 44

Phase 172: rebuild front suspension

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:31:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ctrucknut aol.com
Subject: JC Whitney Catalog

Be sure to search for automotive, not JC Whitney. If you search for JC
Whitney you will not find anything.

- -Ctrucknut

P.S. If you forgot the address to search through, here it is:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.catalogsite.com/Gen/CategoryMenu.html

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Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 22:47:13 -0500
From: Steve
Subject: ABS

There has been a lot of discussion about abs, with reports and numbers
and such. I have driven two vehicles with ABS, a Chevy 2500 suburban and
my F-250 w/rear abs. The Chevy's ABS is strange but it does work.
Approaching stop sighs here in North Dakota on ice I have had them
activate, and while the pulsing is strange I did stop without sliding
into the intersection. If I hadn't had ABS I feel I would have been in
the middle of it. With my Ford I only know of once where they activated,
(unlike the chevy which runs all the time ) and I did a high speed stop
without any screeching tires. I feel they did assist in a quicker stop.
I have worked on aircraft for over 15 years and most aircraft use ABS,
(or anti-skid as it's called). I have seen some simple systems (F-4's)
and some complicated ones (KC-135's), but the primary reason they are
used on aircraft (and are being integrated into cars) comes out of a....


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