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fordtrucks-digest Thursday, August 28 1997 Volume 01 : Number 175



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In this issue:

Lists ["Paul G." ]
Re: Overdrive unit ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
[none] ["John F. Bauer III" ]
Digest Question [JonP27604 aol.com]
panasonic stereo console [jniolon uss.com]
Gross vs. Net HP [John Strauss ]
Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174 [flat-head juno.com]
Re: Econo Trannys ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Digest Question ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Re: Gross vs. Net HP ["Gary, 78 BBB" ]
Sender unit ["Harvey, Blaine" ]
Re: Digest Question ["Payne, Kenneth" ]
1960 and older list ["Lee Hardy" ]
Re: Re: ADMIN: Things in the works - need feedback [Ctrucknut aol.com]
Re: RE: 351C Horsepower Question [Ctrucknut aol.com]
Re: Peculiar gasoline question ["Dave Resch"]
RE: Question - Overdrive transmission options [Kevin Kemmerer
RE: Installing Solid Axle [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: 351C Horsepower Question [Kevin Kemmerer ]
RE: Gross vs. Net HP [Kevin Kemmerer ]

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:54:19 -0700
From: "Paul G."
Subject: Lists

I like the lists as now. Why? Because I find it interesting and
informative to read what others are doing to their trucks, since the
general theory applies to others of different eras...generally, this
list greatly increases my general knowledge of Ford Trucks, and if I was
on a list geared for my 55 panel, I would miss a lot of stuff.

Paul G.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:56:43 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Overdrive unit

> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 1997 19:47:05 -0700
> From: Alan Mittelstaedt
> Subject: Overdrive unit

> I have a '68 F-250 with a 240/4-speed with granny low. The rear end
> is a Dana 60 with 4.10 gears. My question is this: Are there any
> reasonably priced overdrive units that can handle decent amounts of
> torque? I like the low end grunt that the 4.10's and g-low provide

With such a small engine the options are rather limited. If you keep
the 4.10's it will put you at 2851 rpm with stock 29" LT tires at 60
mph or 2506 with 33" tires. If you want to keep the grunt then you
have to go to an overdrive and most I've seen only give you .25 - .8
ratio increase over 1:1. A .8 reduction will give you the equivelant
of 3.30 which will put you at 2295 with 29" tires and 2017 with 33's
which would be lugging the heck out of that engine IMHO.

One possibility which comes to mind is the AOD with a high stall
converter (1500 rpm) and higher rear end gears but I don't know what
the overdrive on the AOD is so I can't get specific and I'm not sure
if the 240 has the same small block flange as the 300 I6 so it may
not even be an option, don't know.

What do your tires actually measure on the diameter? Does anyone
know what the overdrive ratio is on the AOD?

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:12:19 -0400
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: [none]

I've got a 77 E250 4WD with a 460 and C6 and, like some recent posts,
looking for an overdrive solution for highway travel. I also have this
burning desire for a manual trans. I've looked over Advanced Adapter's
NV2500 swap with use of existing transfer case (have clutch pedal +
brackets, need pressure plate + also mention potential drive shaft mods) and
the total looks to be about $3000. Has anyone had any experience with
Advanced Adapters, either in a similar context or just plain general
opinions about the company? Don't want to get my heart and wallet set on
this exciting project and find I'm knee deep in expensive parts and bad advice!

Any comments either to the group or personally appreciated,
John
bauerjf ix.netcom.com

96 F150 302 daily driver
77 E250 460 4WD fun stuff, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://bauer.simplenet.com/jbauer/van.html

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
From: JonP27604 aol.com
Subject: Digest Question

Ken
I do not know if any one else is having a problem with the digest list
but it seems they are not coming to me in order.

Example: Digest v1 #162 thru #168 came between 8/22 and 8/26 with no problem
Digest v1 #171 and #172 came on 8/27
Digest v1 #169 and #174 came on 8/28
Digest v1 #173 have not received yet

I am not complaining but it is hard to keep up with the conversations when
they are not coming in order. Do you recomend going to "Live" instead?

As for splitting the list. I vote to keep it the same for now unless
bandwidth is the problem. I have not seen that to be the case yet but I am
still new here.

Jon E. Purut
JonP27604 aol.com

1965 F100 Daily Driver
1965 F100 Parts Truck Hoping To Revive As F350 Super Duty
1970 Mustang Fastback
1993 Escort Wagon (wifes car)


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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: panasonic stereo console

o.k. everyone look in the garage

I'm looking for an overhead console made by Panasonic several years..
for my 53 F-100 truck

there were several models but all had at least a stereo, equalizer and
dome light.

any information on these and or prices will be appreciated..-email me
here or at jniolon uss.com

thanks

john

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:52:41 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: Gross vs. Net HP

A lot of you guys are saying "net" horsepower is measured "at the rear
wheels." This is not correct I don't believe. Net horsepower can best be
described as "as installed in the vehicle". This means all accessories are
in place, stock manifolds are used instead of dyno headers, and the exhaust
> is in place so that all losses are realized. But it's still measured at
the flywheel. If you measured at the rear wheels, then each available gear
ratio would have to get a different rating.


_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, _} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:10:06 -0600
From: flat-head juno.com
Subject: Re: fordtrucks-digest V1 #174

A list for just us people with '60 and older trucks wuold be a really
cool deal!! It'd sure cut down on the amount of stuff I personally have
to wade thru.
Mike Wright

- ---The two Major items to
- ---come out of Berkeley are
- ---UNIX and LSD.
- ---This is probably not a coincidence.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:23:06 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Econo Trannys

> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:12:19 -0400
> From: "John F. Bauer III"

> I've got a 77 E250 4WD with a 460 and C6 and, like some recent
> posts, looking for an overdrive solution for highway travel. I also
> have this burning desire for a manual trans. I've looked over
> Advanced Adapter's NV2500 swap with use of existing transfer case

I've read articles which seem to imply that they have a good
reputation but no personal experience with them.

There is a new kid on the block in the form of the NV 5600 made for
medium duty trucks with a 600# input rating and 6 speeds including an
overdrive. I expect Advance Adapters to come out with adapters for
it soon but they already have adapters for the Dodge version of the
NV4500 which is a 5 speed rated at 450# or so but there are a few
little machining things you have to do to make it work on the 460.
They have a manual which explains every step of the procedure and the
whole thing will be under $3000 if I understood the details
correctly.

Another Ford option is the ZF 5 speed model no 547 which has the big
block bell housing and is made for the 460 with a 470# input ratiing
but it has a mixed reputation for not liking abuse and must be kept
full since it uses ATF. This is the transmission Ford uses on it's
HD light trucks and LD medium trucks right now with the 460 or diesel
> engines coupled with the BW 1356 transfer case. Both are aluminum
housings but the two of them together will be around $3000 brand new
and will bolt right up with little or no fuss.

I've got a manual and thought that's what I wanted too since I had
always had autos and craved the REAL truck feel of the stick but
there is a lot to be said for a properly set up auto. Manuals are
NOISY! The whole drive train is cast iron and telegraphs every
little vibration to the floor board and shift levers etc.. It has
33's with a 3.5 gear and runs the 351M at 2139 at 60 which is about
right based on my 14 mpg economy. My 78 PU has the 460 and "wide
ratio" C-6 with 2.75 gears. With 29" tires it runs 1912 at 60 mph
and seems quite happy there at 12 mpg tho I suspect 2k or 2100 might
give me better mileage. It also has terrific get up and go from the
stops.

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:40:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Digest Question

> From: JonP27604 aol.com
> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 08:28:25 -0400 (EDT)
> Subject: Digest Question

> Ken
> I do not know if any one else is having a problem with the
> digest list

Can someone explain to me what the advantage of the digest is? I can
see two possibilities, less disk wasted space due to larger file size
if you haven't partitioned your disk (I have no partitions larger
than 255 meg so I get a 2k file cluster) and fewer files if your mail
box has some kind of limit. Is there another reason?


The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 09:58:32 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: Gross vs. Net HP

> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 07:52:41 -0500
> From: John Strauss
> Subject: Gross vs. Net HP

> realized. But it's still measured at the flywheel. If you measured
> at the rear wheels, then each available gear ratio would have to get
> a different rating.

It would also have to take into account the friction and inertia in
the transmission and rear end as well as rolling resistance of the
tires on the rollers which have a different effect than flat ground.

What you say has been echoed many times and is the correct
desctiption IMHO :-)

The swift of foot and slow of wit
have more off road experiences

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 06:18:00 -0400
From: "Harvey, Blaine"
Subject: Sender unit

Anyone know where I can find parts for power steering assist
(non-integral) setup for a 76 4x4 full time F-250?

The worn part is attached ahead of a hydraulic unit with four hoses
connected. It is a ball end fitting into a socket type affair that is the
manual connect for the steering. Ford says no can supply. Any
suggestions would be appreciated.

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Date: Thu, 28 Aug 1997 10:17:28 -0400
From: "Payne, Kenneth"
Subject: Re: Digest Question

>> Ken
>> I do not know if any one else is having a problem with the
>> digest list

Nope. I think your email server is giving them out of order. They're....

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