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pre61-list Digest Sun, 18 Feb 2001 Volume: 2001  Issue: 039

In This Issue:
Re: Mustang IFS
Kinda off subject
Mustang IFS
Re: Mustang IFS
'80 Tbird Power Seat Wiring Diagram
Re: Mustang IFS
Re: Mustang IFS
Re: Mustang IFS
Musatang IFS
Re: One of those dumb "my truck wont start questions"
IFS
Re: "my truck wont start questions"
Re: IFS

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From: "fugate51" <fugate51 ford-trucks.com>
Subject: Re: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:38:37 -0500


I would definately save p and buy the weld in kit, I think Jim Weimer's Rod
Garage sells them for a litttle over $300.00, You also might want to upgrade
the torsion bar setup.

-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Selby <selbyrk npoint.net>
To: ford truck <pre61-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Sunday, February 18, 2001 7:56 AM
Subject: [pre61-list] Mustang IFS


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>Found a Mustang II front clip to use on '50 #2. Will have many questions
>before this one is done. Question for today: Should I buy a weld-in
>crossmember kit or adapt the Mustang xmember to my frame?
>
>Randy Selby
>'50 F-1 Orig
>'50 F-1 Gathering Parts for rod
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From: "Bob Jones" <bobj pmihwy.com>
Subject: Kinda off subject
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:53:33 -0600


I know this might get a few of you upset but I going to do it anyways. After
all I think I'm like most of you and like anything that is old and moves.

Here goes;

I saw this ad in the local paper this weekend and thought it might interest
you multibrand guys.

1955 Chevy trucks
2 NAPCO panel, one pickup
Must sell
262-644-6762

That's in the West Bend WI area.

I don't know the guy and don't have the money to check it out. (you all know
that if it's a good deal its coming home with you)

Good luck if any of you guys check it out and let me know what deal is.

Bob Jones
'49 F-2
'48 F-1 panel (just started)
'49 8N


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From: "Randy Selby" <selbyrk npoint.net>
Subject: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:20:34 -0600


Found a guy in Canada that will sell a weld-in crossmember kit for approx.
$300 US, seems like a good deal. Attempting to find out what other people
have done, and what works out best. I am not planning on "slamming" the
truck, or tricking it out too much. Just want to make a good driver. Most
parts will come from junkyards, not the catalogs. All comments appreciated.

Randy

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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: Re: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:46:19 -0800


Randy:

I faced the same issue recently with my '56 F100 project.  I was going to
adapt the original Mustang II crossmember but after spending over an hour
drilling out welds to separate the original inner fender panels (and not
even getting that completed), and upon further inspection of the look of the
original spring mounts and visualizing how it would look in the truck, I
decided to go with a crossmember kit.  It looks like I'll use a TCI kit
which includes the boxing plates and is ready to weld in.  I'll still use
the original suspension parts (with a bushing and rubber parts upgrade).
For a good set of photos on how to do the front clip in a weekend, go to the
following link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/mrrodder/start.html  Click on the link for the
Mustang II clip installation.

While the project is being done on a Ch**y, it clearly shows how to do it
and he has a clock timing the process.

On a related matter, I was at the Early Bird Swap meet at Puyallup,WA
yesterday and saw a '56 F100 big back window (added later) project truck
with a Chevelle front clip, Corvette rear suspension, 350 Olds/350 auto.
The truck was all there but would need to be reassembled and finished.
Seller is asking $7k OBO.  Also looked at a '56 F100 after the show with a
built 302/C4.  This truck looked pretty nice but also needs finishing. Nice
doors and cab.  Partially rewired. $3.5k.  Contact me offlist for contact
information on these trucks.  BTW, I have no financial or other interest in
the trucks other than I'd like them to go to a good home.

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)

Original Message:

From: "Randy Selby" <selbyrk npoint.net>
Subject: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 05:47:47 -0600


Found a Mustang II front clip to use on '50 #2. Will have many questions
before this one is done. Question for today: Should I buy a weld-in
crossmember kit or adapt the Mustang xmember to my frame?

Randy Selby
'50 F-1 Orig
'50 F-1 Gathering Parts for rod


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From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
Subject: '80 Tbird Power Seat Wiring Diagram
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:11:34 -0800


Yesterday, I picked up a set of bucket seats from a '80 Tbird for my '56
F100 project.  Would anyone happen to have a wiring diagram for them that
they would email me?

Tim Bowman
tkbowman qwest.net
website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
(Pacific NW Carshow information & more)


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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 15:17:34 -0800


Well, I don't know if it's the flu I am suffering with or just impatience or
blindness but I couldn't find the link you mentioned???

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> following link:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/mrrodder/start.html  Click on the link for the
> Mustang II clip installation.


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From: "Tim Mortimore" <tcm evergo.net>
Subject: Re: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:47:54 -0800

be persistent, that is a really good site.

thank you to the original poster.

Tim Mortimore
58 panel
----- Original Message -----
From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
To: <pre61-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 3:17 PM
Subject: [pre61-list] Re: Mustang IFS


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> Well, I don't know if it's the flu I am suffering with or just impatience
or
> blindness but I couldn't find the link you mentioned???
>
> --
> Happily Retired (but broke)
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
> 78 Bronco Loving, Gary
> --
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> > following link:
> >
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/mrrodder/start.html  Click on the link for the
> > Mustang II clip installation.
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From: "GaryBBB" <gpeters3 lni.net>
Subject: Re: Mustang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 16:07:13 -0800


Ok, I found it :-)  Pretty nice pictorial he has there, eh?  He's obviously
not a pro welder though :-)  I've never been good at over head myself but I
cheat, I turn the frame over to get a nice bead :-)  Vertical with a mig is
a piece a cake and with a little practice you can make better welds than he
did but if you want them to look really nice and aren't a pro then turn the
frame on it's side and do all down hand welds.  That's what I do when I want
them to look "Perfect".  I've even resorted to standing on step ladders to
facilitate this :-)  Guess I'm no pro either then, eh?

--
Happily Retired (but broke)
Michigan Pot Hole Jumping,
78 Bronco Loving, Gary
--

> be persistent, that is a really good site.
>
> thank you to the original poster.

> > Well, I don't know if it's the flu I am suffering with or just
> impatience
> or
> > blindness but I couldn't find the link you mentioned???


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From: "Mike Bishop" <av8ford volcano.net>
Subject: Musatang IFS
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 18:32:14 -0800


First, some perspective. It's Pinto suspension, designed for a lightweight,
unit-construction econobox that tipped the scales at around 2200 pounds.

Ford later adapted the Pinto platform to accommodate a marketing-created
"performance" car they labeled Mustang II. The car was as poor a performer
as it was ugly. With its weight, with a V8 engine and added sheet metal plus
amenities, jacked up to close to 3000 pounds the M-II's handling performance
and ride comfort were poor at best. But . . .

The suspension is easy to adapt to just about any vehicle with a
parallel-rail frame. But is it a good suspension scheme? When it's
criticized because of the greater weight it has to support in earlier,
heavier cars with modern OHV motors, those who sell their "engineered" kits
say 'Not to worry; the engine location in the early cars is much farther aft
than it is in the Pinto/M-II,' and then they go on to further assure us that
the M-II was just fine with a V8--one of the very lightest smallblock V8s,
BTW. (Wonder if they ever drove one?)

I've yet to hear a Pinto-kit seller comment on why their hardware is still
okay for Ford pickups where the engine is mounted squarely above the front
axle centerline. Apparently the physics at work in a car do not translate to
those for a pickup truck.

Finally, I've had occasion to drive several cars with Pinto/M-II IFS,
including a '40 Ford coupe on which the work had been performed by one of
the very best chassis builders in the US. (He did the work, under protest,
for a friend who insisted on wanting to give the Pinto/M-II suspension a
try.) My wheel time in the '40 was the longest so far with this type of
setup, 450 miles in one day, and while the car rode and handled okay, it was
not competent. It was not a car I would feel comfortable pushing hard on
twisty roads, nor was the ride confident. It handled bumps okay, but the
suspension felt like it's flexing. I've been told that the aftermarket
Pinto-like suspension such as Heidts does not do this, but then it costs a
whole bunch more money than the simple Pinto hardware.

The easiest IFS you can adapt to your Ford pickup is Series 3 Jaguar,
including the subframe. (Not to worry, Jaguar is owned by Ford.)  This will
provide you with some of the best engineered high-performance/comfort
suspension available today, large disc brakes, outstanding R&P steering, and
it's all connected to the truck frame with  vibration-damping Metalastic
mounts.

Check Recycler.com  for prices on complete used XJ6, XJS, and XJ12 Jags. (I
select a price range of $200 to $2000 dollars on the search template and
usually turn up a couple of dozen cars with everything that's needed.) Might
as well add the Jaguar rear subframe and IRS while you're at it. But only if
you want your effie to ride and handle like a Jaguar sedan rather than a
Pinto.








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From: "Gary L. Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: Re: One of those dumb "my truck wont start questions"
Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 22:25:18 -0500


Low compression on an old Y-block maybe?

G. L. Perry
Huntington, IN
54 Chevy 2-ton (driver)
50 Chevy COE (project)
55 GMC COE (project)
MM Jet Star 3 (tractor)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Kent" <ckent ids.net>
To: <pre61-list ford-trucks.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:04 AM
Subject: [pre61-list] One of those dumb "my truck wont start questions"


> ----------------------------------------------------------
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>
> my 1960 350 always had a bit of trouble starting in the cold but i could
get
> it going eventually when the temp was about  32' out.    After a few
attempt
> this winter on warm days i still have no luck.
>
> It will turn fire with a spray of ether.
>
> Gas does seem to be squirting in the carb.
>
> Ive changed the plugs.
>
> Can anyone give a me a sugestion?
> Should i just buy a new carb?
>
>
> chris
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:12:23 -0500
Subject: Re: '80 Tbird Power Seat Wiring Diagram
From: fredg <fredg454 concentric.net>


Tim,
there is a wiring diagram in the back of the 56 shop manual, which is for
sale on the fte site for about 30 bucks. It's fun to have even if your not
keeping the truck original.

Fred
hotrod 56

> From: "Tim Bowman" <tkbowman qwest.net>
> Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 17:11:34 -0800
> To: <pre61-list ford-trucks.com>
> Subject: [pre61-list] '80 Tbird Power Seat Wiring Diagram
>
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> Yesterday, I picked up a set of bucket seats from a '80 Tbird for my '56
> F100 project.  Would anyone happen to have a wiring diagram for them that
> they would email me?
>
> Tim Bowman
> tkbowman qwest.net
> website: www.users.qwest.net/~tkbowman
> (Pacific NW Carshow information & more)
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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 10:15:59 -0500
Subject: Re: Musatang IFS
From: fredg <fredg454 concentric.net>


Right you are they are lightweight solutions, better for street rods than
trucks. You should check out the Industrial Chassis IFS that uses dodge
Dakota truck components. He is in some of the truck magazines, and I think
he has a site industrialchassisinc.com

Fred
>
> First, some perspective. It's Pinto suspension, designed for a lightweight,
> unit-construction econobox that tipped the scales at around 2200 pounds.
>
>


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From: "Randy Selby" <selbyrk npoint.net>
Subject: IFS
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 14:15:57 -0600


Is a Pinto IFS the same as a Mustang II?

Randy

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From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 18:28:11 EST
Subject: Re: "my truck wont start questions"


In a message dated 2/18/01 3:30:20 PM Pacific Standard Time,
listar ford-trucks.com writes:

<< Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2001 09:04:40 -0500
Subject: One of those dumb "my truck wont start questions"
From: "Christopher Kent" <ckent ids.net>


my 1960 350 always had a bit of trouble starting in the cold but i could get
it going eventually when the temp was about  32' out.    After a few attempt
this winter on warm days i still have no luck.

It will turn fire with a spray of ether.

Gas does seem to be squirting in the carb.

Ive changed the plugs.

Can anyone give a me a sugestion?
Should i just buy a new carb?


chris >>

You should buy a 351 to put in! (I can't believe we've let him get by this
long!) Of course I'd be very surprised if my 5.0 will start after setting up
for 3 years!!

Glenn in TN
Let the Flame Wars begin!

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Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2001 20:04:49 -0500
From: Gregory Haener <ghaener voyager.net>
Subject: Re: IFS


The only difference was in the anti dive angle of the sping seats. Every
thing  else was exactly the same.  I worked in the crossmember assembly
area of Dearborn Stamping Plant for several years and know  them well.

Greg

Randy Selby wrote:

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> Is a Pinto IFS the same as a Mustang II?
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