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Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford Truck Enthusiasts List Server <listar  ford-trucks.com>
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Subject: pre61-list Digest V2000 #201 Precedence: list ========================================================== Ford Truck Enthusiasts 1948-1960 Truck Mailing List Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com To unsubscribe, send email to: listar ford-trucks.com with
the words "unsubscribe pre61-list" in the subject of the message. ========================================================== ------------------------------------ pre61-list Digest Mon, 16 Oct 2000 Volume: 2000 Issue: 201 In This Issue: Bed side extensions Re: steering Re: 48-50 F-2 Bed supports for my 57 Re: 48-50 F-2 Re: King Pins Problem Re: 49 F2 Fenders Re: 49 F2 Fenders Re: Kingpin problem Re: Bed Side Extensions Re: Bed Side Extensions 49 F-2 fenders ADMIN: Pictorial additions vin decode ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "Mike Bishop" <av8ford volcano.net>
Subject: Bed side extensions Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 15:23:07 -0700 If your originals aren't too badly rotted or damaged, use them to make patterns and have new ones bent by a sheet-metal shop in either 16-ga or 18-ga. I believe they are flat with a simple 90-degree break at top and bottom plus another at the front (or rear). Mike Bishop Hemified '53 F-100 ------------------------------ From: JRFiero aol.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:10:24 EDT Subject: Re: steering In a message dated 10/10/2000 8:26:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cjmc usit.net
writes: > Is there an adjustment that can tighten > up the steering a little until I get the box worked on? The procedure in the 49-52 manual is to: 1. disconnect the drag link from the pitman arm. 2. Loosen the steering column tube to instrument panel bracket. 3. Back the side (sector) adjustment out (counterclockwise) to remove any load. (That's "the bolt on the side of the gear box" you mentioned.) 4. Measure the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center of it's rotation. This is kinda the hard part. Ford must have had a spring scale, like a fish scale, which read in ounces. 'The force needed to rotate the wheel at the center of it's rotation' should be 1/4 to 3/4 pound on F1, F2, and F3, 1/2 to 1 lb on all others. I used a postal scale to measure the weight of some sockets, then put them in a mesh bag my wife (used to) use for washing 'delicates,' then ran it's tie sting from the top of the steering wheel off to the side, then over a socket extension straight down. I think this translates into the force needed to turn the wheel. I also measured quarters ($0.25 pieces) to see what they weighed, if you don't have a scale. 1/4 pound (4 ounces) is ~16 quarters, 3/4 pound (12 ounces) is therefore ~48 quarters. You take it from there. If this measurement isn't right, you need to change the stack of shims under the steering shaftat the bottom of the gearbox. The shims are actually gaskets of varying thicknesses, and a selection is available from most of our common suppliers. However, to tighten the existing preload, you'll just be removing shims, so if you remove the bottom plate carefully, you can reuse the ones you have. This is a messy and iterative process. You need to have some gear lube in the box to accurately measure the turning force, then you need to remove the bottom plate to change shims, which dribbles gear lube all over. Once this is in spec, center the wheel. Then, turn the 'sector shaft thrust adjusting screw' (side adjuster) until 'all end play is removed from the sector shaft.' Then the force needed to rotate the wheel at the center of it's rotation should measure between 1 and 2 pounds on the F1, F2, and F3, and 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 pounds on other models. I have found that when the gears are too worn, tightening the sector shaft adjusting screw too much jams the sector against the housing, which of course makes the wheel harder to turn, but doesn't reduce the free play or have the intended affect on steering accuracy. Then there's nothing left to do but replace the steering shaft (worm) and sector, or the whole box. Other things that wear out are the roller bearings on top and below the worm on the steering shaft, the bushings on the outside of the sector, and the seal on the outside of the sector. If you're going to the expense (considerable) of replacing the worm and sector, its probably worth replacing at least the bearings and the seal. The bushings must require reaming to size, but I've never messed with those, so can't give practical advice. There you have it, almost straight from Ol' Henry. Simple, huh? = ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:20:22 -0400 From: Edward Sedgwick <esedgwick snet.net>
Subject: Re: 48-50 F-2 Grills are the same F-1 to F-6 Fenders are the same, F-1 only, F-2 thru F-6 (larger wheel openings) F-7 and F-8 nose assemblies are different for the wider engine. Ed Sedgwick ------------------------------ From: Fifty7F100 cs.com
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:23:37 EDT Subject: Bed supports for my 57 FTEers (especially the 57 - 60 guys), In trying to get my bed ready for remounting, I came across a problem with the wood mounting blocks under the middle 4 bolts. I was sure a treated 2X4 would work just right. Unfortunately, (as always!) it is not quite tall enough along the 2X side to get the thickest dimension. Is there a company out there makes and/or sells these to the correct sizes. Mine is a styleside, but I'm sure the stepsides still have this feature. I have 2 that made it through the frame-off, but the 2 others were splinters. I think I remember the 4 outside bolts had rubber pads. I might want to change them too as the old ones, if they can be found (you really shouldn't take 3 years to do this!), are quite dry and hard. TIA for any help. Glenn in TN 57 F100 -- in process Another 57 (maybe Custom Cab) found in the woods. Film at 11. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:32:39 -0400 From: WIlliam Hendrickson <billjhs bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: 48-50 F-2 Hello, Thanks to all for answering my question on the fenders and stuff. Much appreciated Bill Edward Sedgwick wrote: > Grills are the same F-1 to F-6 > Fenders are the same, F-1 only, F-2 thru F-6 (larger wheel openings) > F-7 and F-8 nose assemblies are different for the wider engine. > > Ed Sedgwick > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ From: "Gary Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: Re: King Pins Problem Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:46:59 -0400 Most of time I remove the zerks and take an awl and poke around in holes to loosen up the dirt and dried grease, install new zerks and pump in new grease. I t sometimes pumps hard, and doesn't always go in, most of the time it will. After driving some, pump in more grease as little bit works it's way around and opens or disolves the old dried grease. You may find the drag-link is also a big sticking problem. Replace or rebuild that link. I believe there is a groove going around bushing to a hole somewhere that allows grease in. Some trucks have floating bushings and have this set-up, not sure what early Fords have, later ones float, AND are even Plastic, Junk! Have heard of heating pins with torch to melt old grease too, not sure I like that Idea, tho have done on small parts off a truck. "G" -----Original Message----- From: The Toops <toop fnord.nwinfo.net>
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Date: Thursday, October 12, 2000 7:46 PM Subject: [pre61-list] King Pins Problem >Last summer the steering on my '57 F-100 started getting really sticky, >so I decided to do a thorough lube job on it. I couldn't get any lube >to move through the zerks onto the king pins so I pulled the zerks off >to see what was up. Lo and behold there was no hole for the lube to >pass through! I thought that the bushings maybe had been installed >incorrectly, or that the bushings had turned, until I ran into another >fellow with a '59 F-100 who had the same problem. He said he actually >pulled the king pins and bushings from both sides only to discover that >there was no hole in either one. His solution was to drill lube holes >through both bushings after reinstalling them. Now, I thought that the >bushings came with a hole that had to be lined up with the zerks during >installation. Does anyone know what's going on here? >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ From: "Gary Perry" <glperry fwi.com>
Subject: Re: 49 F2 Fenders Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 20:49:28 -0400 Yes wheel openings on bigger trucks are bigger for larger wheel and tire sizes. C***y's have wider grills on big trucks and fenders are longer and hood too. Not sure on all Ford's. Cabs are all the same except maybe floor pan by trans. "G" -----Original Message----- From: Tim Bowman <tkbowman uswest.net>
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com <pre61-list ford-trucks.com>
Date: Monday, October 16, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: [pre61-list] Re: 49 F2 Fenders >While the fenders are the same exterior size on all models, isn't the >wheel opening smaller on the F1 to F3 series than on the larger F >series? > >-- >Tim Bowman >Burien, WA >tkbowman uswest.net
>Website: www.users.uswest.net/~tkbowman > (Pacific NW Carshow Information & more) > >fordf3 aol.com wrote:
> >I believe F-2 Thru F-6 front fenders are the same,And 48 to 50 > >============================================================= >To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 >Please remove this footer when replying. > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 21:14:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott <wm_69 yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 49 F2 Fenders I have a 49 one ton and a 1/2 ton and the only diff is the fender openings. Grills are the exact same, hoods are also the same. The tranny cover is also the same. The frame is different because of the weight rating. Scott --- Gary Perry <glperry fwi.com> wrote:
> Yes wheel openings on bigger trucks are bigger for larger wheel and > tire > sizes. C***y's have wider grills on big trucks and fenders are longer > and > hood too. Not sure on all Ford's. Cabs are all the same except maybe > floor > pan by trans. > "G" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:55:20 +1300 From: brian falkner <falken ihug.co.nz>
Subject: Re: Kingpin problem you wrote <<< From: The Toops <toop fnord.nwinfo.net>
Subject: King Pins Problem Last summer the steering on my '57 F-100 started getting really sticky, so I decided to do a thorough lube job on it. I couldn't get any lube to move through the zerks onto the king pins so I pulled the zerks off to see what was up. Lo and behold there was no hole for the lube to pass through! I thought that the bushings maybe had been installed incorrectly, or that the bushings had turned, until I ran into another fellow with a '59 F-100 who had the same problem. He said he actually pulled the king pins and bushings from both sides only to discover that there was no hole in either one. His solution was to drill lube holes through both bushings after reinstalling them. Now, I thought that the bushings came with a hole that had to be lined up with the zerks during installation. Does anyone know what's going on here?>>>> 88888888888888888888888 I would say some jerkhole forgot the zerkholes mate!. More than likely some supplier got some smoothbore bushes to make up a few kits. Smoothbore bushes should also have radial eccentric grease grooves linked to the zerk hole to distribute lube around the pin, otherwise lube will bypass a significant portion of the pin, take the least line of resistance & cause premature kingpin failure. Brian ------------------------------ From: "Mark Lentz" <scout visuallink.com>
Subject: Re: Bed Side Extensions Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:05:52 -0400 I have a fifty-seven Styleside shortbed and have the same problem with the need of a bed pand and a front panel. Again, if anyone runs across a supplier or individual that can help, please pass it on. Thanks Mark Lentz Winchester, VA ----- Original Message ----- From: <pschumacher mindspring.com>
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Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 7:03 PM Subject: [pre61-list] Bed Side Extensions > I have a 1956 Longbox. I'm in dire need of bed side extensions both front > (2) and rear (2). Sac Ford and Carpenter don't carry. Any help would be > much apprciated. > > Peter > > > ============================================================= > To unsubscribe: www.ford-trucks.com/mailinglist.html#item3 > Please remove this footer when replying. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:43:48 -0400 From: 47Fred <zelda_1 Prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Bed Side Extensions wrote: > > I have a 1956 Longbox. I'm in dire need of bed side extensions both front > (2) and rear (2). Try here, LMC Truck I don't have my catalog, so I'm not sure they have those parts, but they seemed to have pretty much everything, bedwise. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.longmotor.com/fordcats.html 47 Fred ------------------------------ From: "Bob Jones" <bobj pmihwy.com>
Subject: 49 F-2 fenders Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 08:21:54 -0500 The grills for the 1948 through 1950 F-1 through F6 are the same. The F-7 and F-8 have the wide grill. I know this for a fact because I have a '48 F-4 grill on my '49 F-2 and the cab from a '50 F-7 fire truck I bought. The F-7 and F-8 have wider fenders than the smaller ones. The F-1 fenders do have smaller openings than the F-2 through F-6, I know this because on the first restoration of my F-2 I had F-1 fenders on it until I was told they were wrong and I replaced them with the correct size. I also recently got a F-1 panel truck and can see the difference between the two sizes when I park them next to each other. I have had almost every size truck in the last fifteen years either for drivers or parts truck and have been able to see the differences. Bob Jones '49 F-2 '48 F-1 panel '49 8N ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 12:23:35 -0400 From: Ken Payne <kpayne ford-trucks.com>
Subject: ADMIN: Pictorial additions The following pictures have been added to the web site Picture Gallery since the 12th of October: 2001 F-150 Supercrew 1999 Explorer Sport 1994 F-150 4x4 1992 F-250 1982 F-150 1952 F-1 1928 Ford pickup Each picture is linked off the main page of the web site. <a href="http://www.ford-trucks.com">www.ford-trucks.com</a> Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 12:15:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott <wm_69 yahoo.com>
Subject: vin decode Can anyone decode this for me? SP14F4229711 It's off a 48-50 Truck. Scott __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ End of pre61-list Digest V2000 #201 *********************************** ---------------------------------------------------------- <><><><><><> Serious Help Finding That Part! <><><><><><> Ford Truck Enthusiasts now has "Ford Products Interchange" manuals in its online store. Two editions: 1950-1965 and .... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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