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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?
FTE Pre61 - Re: transmission noise
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?
FTE Pre61 - Voting on the List
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?
FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 VIN Data Plate
Re: FTE Pre61 - transmission noise
FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic
Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic
Re: FTE Pre61 - Happy 1900!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?
FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest new year greetings
FTE Pre61 - central time
Re: FTE Pre61 - central time
Re: FTE Pre61 - central time

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:26:50 EST
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?

OK, I have been reading some of the feedback on a new list. I did vote and
feel we should leave the list the way it is. I do feel the questions should
have been asked differently, but we are working with a black/white situation.
May we look at this list in a different light? ie: Let's look at the list
as a club. Pre61 Ford Truck Owners Club. We all meet once a month and all of
us drive up to the meeting, talk, vote have coffee or a beer and discuss some
of the problems we are having with our "babies". Let's say that 20% of the
members have pure stock, some look pure stock but they updated things for
daily driver use and 40% are resto rods street machines, one guy has a 1/4
miler and 3 have gone the Barris Custom radical custom approach. Still all
pre 61 Fords. OK, the meeting is over and everyone is leaving and ol' Jake
starts up his 53 effie with 351c/C6 and Vette rear end and clunk, when he
backs up something snaps. 30 of us members are still in the parking lot and
we hear the snap. We all come over to see what happened. We deduce that
Jake lost a universal joint on his right rear axle. Oh, oh. It's a Vette
rear. Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe
even fix it. Or..........we tow him to the shop that works on Vette rear
ends. We point him in the right direction. We don't have to overhaul his
rear end, just help him. He is still a member of our club, even if he isn't
"Pure"
I think we should leave the list as is! We all have pre 61 Ford Trucks and
we love them. Just point us in the right direction when we need specialized
help.

Mel
1953 F100/351c
1934 5w/350
1934 Roadster/289
1970 El Camino/350
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:04:17 -0500
From: The Neighbors ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: transmission noise

Hunter wrote:

"my '53 3-speed tranny growls in first gear at speeds above 10 mph (yes,
i do use 2nd and 3rd, but i live in a city of hills)--strange thing is
that is does this when the clutch is disengaged, as well.

if the truck is in first gear, and i'm coasting down a hill with the
clutch peddle pressed to the floor, it makes a loud
spinning/whirring/growling noise (same goes for driving above 10 mph).
it stops when i shift to 2nd of neutral. the noise is more bothersome
than anything else, but i've had tranny trouble with another truck, so
i'm jaded."

My guess is that there are bearings are dying. I had a VW do the same
thing to me, though it was the mainshaft bearings and it growled in 4th
gear. I got so much growl out of the tranny the shifter vibrated!

- --
Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:46:54 +0000
From: Fred Hooper concentric.net>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?

> Mel,

I agree, for what it's worth. I've always considered the list kind of a club. I
belong to the Klassic Haulers Truck Club. 48 to 56 F-series Trucks. some are
pure Ford guys, some are not. We get along, with some occasional ribbing here
and there. But, we all have a good time with our trucks.
Happy New Year all... no matter what engine you have in your truck.

Fred
Hotrod'56


> ..........we tow him to the shop that works on Vette rear
> ends. We point him in the right direction. We don't have to overhaul his
> rear end, just help him. He is still a member of our club, even if he isn't
> "Pure"
> I think we should leave the list as is! We all have pre 61 Ford Trucks and
> we love them. Just point us in the right direction when we need specialized
> help.
>
>

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:31:45 -0500
From: The Neighbors ford-trucks.com>
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Voting on the List

I haven't been closely following the voting issue on this list. Maybe I
should have. When I tried to vote, the Net was weirding out, and I
wasn't able to cast my vote. I noticed the "Aftermarket/Customizing"
issue closed at a rather disappointing 88 votes.
Lest the "Chevy in a Ford" issue explode here again, I'd like to say
that except for things specific to your Pre '61 truck, the best venue
for customizing/hotrodding is the Performance list, of course.
Performance questions for the flathead, Y-block or early FE block
engines are not off topic here, in my opinion, since the Performance
list primarily covers "newer" engines.
I'm also one of the first to vote against Chevy content. I think the
real problem we have here is, and I don't think I'm bragging when I say
it, the FTE site is one of the best out there. I look in on some other
sites from time to time, and about the only one I've seen that's nearly
as good as this one is the Y-block Ford Vehicle Site, and I know a few
guys here who are also involved with that site.
If you have some suggestions for helping with the voting, why don't we
take it up with Ken when he gets back from Oklahoma? If there is a
problem, we need to address it.
- --
Don Neighbors
President, AFTE
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
inaccessible part of the vehicle."

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:05:26 -0000
From: "Tim Mortimore" evergo.net>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?

Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe
> even fix it.

how 'bout a fistfight in the parking lot for having the audacity to put a
'foreign' part in the purity that is ford?

just kidding, i think Mel is The Voice of Reason.

tim mortimore
58 panel with a '70 390.
>
> Mel
> 1953 F100/351c
> 1934 5w/350
> 1934 Roadster/289
> 1970 El Camino/350
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:28:45 -0500
From: "James I. McDaniel" pop.dn.net>
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 VIN Data Plate

Gang,

Dan Wentz suggested I post my question on VIN data plates to the Pre61
listserver. His reference books couldn't answer the question and he thought
perhaps some of you would know the answer. I'll press REWIND here and catch you
up on the conversation:

====== First, Dan included in one of his messages =======

<< >>
...I have recently added a VIN decoder to my website (see below for the
address)...

Visit my Bonus Built 48-52 F Series Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~dwentz

====== I replied to Dan in a personal e-mail ========

Hello Dan,

Enjoyed your website. I have a stock 52 F-1. Am putting in a new flathead V8
zero-time rebuild. Is an old engine that was rebuilt by Ford in Washington DC
maybe 15-20 years ago. Engine is loose. Don't know yet how it'll run. Was
looking at your page on decoding the VIN and other information, and my data plate
has additional information your site doesn't cover.

If you have the numbers, I'd like to know what the coding means after the color.
It correctly shows the color "N" as Meadow Green. After the "N", it has a space,
then "26" between color and production code, then above production code it has "J
DC 41P." I have a photo of my truck and two photos of the data plate I'll attach.
(I've removed those because the list won't support graphics. ~jim)

My reference books won't decode these numbers.

Can you help? Thanks.

Jim McDaniel
Northern Virginia

PS, the VIN identifies my truck as a 1952 F-1 with a 239 V8, assembled in Chester
PA. It was (and still is) painted Meadow Green.

====== Then Dan responded ======

My book doesn't decode these either. Oddly enough last night somebody wrote to
the Bonus Built mailing list with the exact same question. I can only give you
guesses as to what these mean. The "J" is the only thing that belongs there
according to my book. That's the code for September. The 26 might be the
day--September 26. D is a code for a 6 cylinder engine, and C is code for a half
ton truck. My book doesn't say anything about the two of them going together as
part of the production code though--and you have a V8 anyway. On the 52 Courier
trucks D is also a code for gray & red cloth interior. 41P doesn't match up to
anything at all that I know of. The code submitted last night was 30M4849Y, which
doesn't match up to yours too well.

My reference book is the red Ford Truck ID Numbers 46-72 and this appears to be
one of it's many omissions (along with, notably, the absence of F5 and up
models). Sorry I couldn't help. If I do learn anything I'll let you know and
I'll put the info on the website as well.

You might want to post the question on the Ford Truck Enthusiast list. Somebody
there must have better reference books than we have.

~Dan

===============

So here I am. If any of you know the meaning of these additional entries on the
data plate, I'd appreciate hearing from you.

Jim McD.


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:29:35 -0800
From: Dan Wentz earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transmission noise

>my '53 3-speed tranny growls in first gear at speeds above 10 mph (yes, i
>do use
>2nd and 3rd, but i live in a city of hills)--strange thing is that is does
>this
>when the clutch is disengaged, as well.

That sounds like the noise my 50 3 speed made before it died. One morning
it started making the noise and the shifter had a little rattle in it as
well. I started taking off in 2nd and made a note to check that out asap
(since the truck was my daily driver and I had to be at work I couldn't do
it right then, though I had a feeling I should). That night I pulled out
of a friend's driveway in reverse when something catastrophic happened. I
still haven't dismantled the transmission for an autopsy (after 5 years) so
I don't know exactly what happened, but here's the result: Truck came to
sudden halt, gear oil all over the road, fist size hole in transmission
case, a dozen or so gear teeth laying in the oil puddle, owner saddened.

> the noise is
>more bothersome than anything else,

That's what I thought.

~Dan

1950 F1 351C--No longer dumping coolant all over my parking space...hopefully.
1992 Mustang LX--Now feeling quite weak--maybe IT needs a 351 as well.

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:22:07 -0500
From: Paul cfw.com>
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic

Viewing the digest, I was hoping someone could answer this question for
me: why, occasionally, are some of the emails sent in one straight
line, about 3 feet horizonatal, all the way into the living room
instead of the "normal" length sentences?

Just curious,

Showing my computer illiteracy,

Paul G.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:44:15 -0800
From: George Miller lv.rmci.net>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic

Some people forget to set their email preferences to wrap messages into
standard paragraphs; normally 72 characters per line.

George Miller

Paul wrote:
>
> Viewing the digest, I was hoping someone could answer this question for
> me: why, occasionally, are some of the emails sent in one straight
> line, about 3 feet horizonatal, all the way into the living room
> instead of the "normal" length sentences?
>
> Just curious,
>
> Showing my computer illiteracy,
>
> Paul G.
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:42:37 -0800
From: "Ray Cardogno" angelfire.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Happy 1900!

Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your last.




Down here anyways ;)


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:09:13 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" world.std.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic

At 02:44 PM 12/31/1999 -0800, George Miller wrote:
>Some people forget to set their email preferences to wrap messages into
>standard paragraphs; normally 72 characters per line.

Your mail reading program may be able to compensate: certainly Netscape's
mail has a "wrap long lines" option in the 'View' menu. Eudora Pro seems to
wrap long lines automatically.

Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html

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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:13:58 -0500
From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" world.std.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?

At 11:05 AM 12/31/1999 +0000, Tim Mortimore wrote:
>Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe
>> even fix it.
>
>how 'bout a fistfight in the parking lot for having the audacity to put a
>'foreign' part in the purity that is ford?
>
>just kidding, i think Mel is The Voice of Reason.

I think Mel's analogy and suggestion is a good one. However, I think to
follow through on the analogy, some people are saying that Jake shouldn't
be allowed in the club at all, and although I had hoped that the question
would be phrased in a way that made it clear Jake would be allowed in the
club, it seems as though it's more to form a different club that Jake can join.


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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:14:59 EST
From: Alpuntinaol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List?

No need in anyone getting their bowels in an uproar. We all knew this was a
joke of a letter. Everybody should know if Jake had a vette rearend it would
NOT breakdown. GM parts are solid as a rock. That is why WE the outcast took
the BEST of both worlds. An Effie body and GM drivetrain. The very best of
both worlds. Who could want more. Now on the other hand....... Well, enough
said.

Happy New Year to ALL !!!

AL
Best Effie Of Both Worlds
Looks Like Ford, Drives Chevy Tough!
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Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:58:23 EST
From: Rwilson50aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest new year greetings

i am a daily reader of our digest but back off on any input due to a lack of
knowledge of flattys and the fact that i grafted a z-28 ifs to my 49 the
logical choice was to go gm front to back all the way to modifing a 10
bolt to handle the shocks and springs its about 12:45 on new years, went
out to the shop to add wood to the box and spent some time just mulling over
how far i've come since since bringing home this rusted orphan , maybe i
should name her? what i'm getting at is i care deeply about this truck, there
isn't a bolt that hasn't been replaced or reconditioned period . does
the drive train keep me from meeting people and swapping info ? i'm disabled
and a family man so i get to my truck when i can. bottom line is -- don't
stop the fellowship over a trivial thing like part swaps- we are on the
verge of running out of original components nation wide. may the lord
smile on us all this new year.

russ wilson
49 f-1 (man, this babe needs a name)
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 22:46:58 -0800 (PST)
From: cliff lynn yahoo.com>
Subject: FTE Pre61 - central time

happy newyear first e-mail in central time

- --- Ray Cardogno angelfire.com>
wrote:
> Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new
> Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your
> last.
>
>
>
>
> Down here anyways ;)
>
>
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:13:57 -0800 (PST)
From: cliff lynn yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - central time

- --- cliff lynn yahoo.com> wrote:
> happy newyear first e-mail in central time
>
> --- Ray Cardogno angelfire.com>
> wrote:
> > Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new
> > Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your
> > last.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Down here anyways ;)
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:16:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - central time

Happy New Year!! Is that all there is to the Y2K bug?
I thought so!

Ed and the Effie

- --- cliff lynn yahoo.com> wrote:
> happy newyear first e-mail in central time
>
> --- Ray Cardogno angelfire.com>
> wrote:
> > Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new
> > Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your
> > last.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Down here anyways ;)
> >
> >
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