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From: owner-pre61-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (pre61-list-digest) To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: pre61-list-digest V3 #385 Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk pre61-list-digest Saturday, January 1 2000 Volume 03 : Number 385 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1948 truck and vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe pre61-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? FTE Pre61 - Re: transmission noise Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? FTE Pre61 - Voting on the List Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 VIN Data Plate Re: FTE Pre61 - transmission noise FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic Re: FTE Pre61 - Happy 1900! Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest new year greetings FTE Pre61 - central time Re: FTE Pre61 - central time Re: FTE Pre61 - central time ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:26:50 EST From: HDMel95 aol.com Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? OK, I have been reading some of the feedback on a new list. I did vote and feel we should leave the list the way it is. I do feel the questions should have been asked differently, but we are working with a black/white situation. May we look at this list in a different light? ie: Let's look at the list as a club. Pre61 Ford Truck Owners Club. We all meet once a month and all of us drive up to the meeting, talk, vote have coffee or a beer and discuss some of the problems we are having with our "babies". Let's say that 20% of the members have pure stock, some look pure stock but they updated things for daily driver use and 40% are resto rods street machines, one guy has a 1/4 miler and 3 have gone the Barris Custom radical custom approach. Still all pre 61 Fords. OK, the meeting is over and everyone is leaving and ol' Jake starts up his 53 effie with 351c/C6 and Vette rear end and clunk, when he backs up something snaps. 30 of us members are still in the parking lot and we hear the snap. We all come over to see what happened. We deduce that Jake lost a universal joint on his right rear axle. Oh, oh. It's a Vette rear. Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe even fix it. Or..........we tow him to the shop that works on Vette rear ends. We point him in the right direction. We don't have to overhaul his rear end, just help him. He is still a member of our club, even if he isn't "Pure" I think we should leave the list as is! We all have pre 61 Ford Trucks and we love them. Just point us in the right direction when we need specialized help. Mel 1953 F100/351c 1934 5w/350 1934 Roadster/289 1970 El Camino/350 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:04:17 -0500 From: The Neighbors Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: transmission noise Hunter wrote: "my '53 3-speed tranny growls in first gear at speeds above 10 mph (yes, i do use 2nd and 3rd, but i live in a city of hills)--strange thing is that is does this when the clutch is disengaged, as well. if the truck is in first gear, and i'm coasting down a hill with the clutch peddle pressed to the floor, it makes a loud spinning/whirring/growling noise (same goes for driving above 10 mph). it stops when i shift to 2nd of neutral. the noise is more bothersome than anything else, but i've had tranny trouble with another truck, so i'm jaded." My guess is that there are bearings are dying. I had a VW do the same thing to me, though it was the mainshaft bearings and it growled in 4th gear. I got so much growl out of the tranny the shifter vibrated! - -- Don Neighbors '54 F250 Named Grover "Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most inaccessible part of the vehicle." grover ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:46:54 +0000 From: Fred Hooper Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? > Mel, I agree, for what it's worth. I've always considered the list kind of a club. I belong to the Klassic Haulers Truck Club. 48 to 56 F-series Trucks. some are pure Ford guys, some are not. We get along, with some occasional ribbing here and there. But, we all have a good time with our trucks. Happy New Year all... no matter what engine you have in your truck. Fred Hotrod'56 > ..........we tow him to the shop that works on Vette rear > ends. We point him in the right direction. We don't have to overhaul his > rear end, just help him. He is still a member of our club, even if he isn't > "Pure" > I think we should leave the list as is! We all have pre 61 Ford Trucks and > we love them. Just point us in the right direction when we need specialized > help. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:31:45 -0500 From: The Neighbors Subject: FTE Pre61 - Voting on the List I haven't been closely following the voting issue on this list. Maybe I should have. When I tried to vote, the Net was weirding out, and I wasn't able to cast my vote. I noticed the "Aftermarket/Customizing" issue closed at a rather disappointing 88 votes. Lest the "Chevy in a Ford" issue explode here again, I'd like to say that except for things specific to your Pre '61 truck, the best venue for customizing/hotrodding is the Performance list, of course. Performance questions for the flathead, Y-block or early FE block engines are not off topic here, in my opinion, since the Performance list primarily covers "newer" engines. I'm also one of the first to vote against Chevy content. I think the real problem we have here is, and I don't think I'm bragging when I say it, the FTE site is one of the best out there. I look in on some other sites from time to time, and about the only one I've seen that's nearly as good as this one is the Y-block Ford Vehicle Site, and I know a few guys here who are also involved with that site. If you have some suggestions for helping with the voting, why don't we take it up with Ken when he gets back from Oklahoma? If there is a problem, we need to address it. - -- Don Neighbors President, AFTE '54 F250 Named Grover "Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most inaccessible part of the vehicle." grover ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 11:05:26 -0000 From: "Tim Mortimore" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe > even fix it. how 'bout a fistfight in the parking lot for having the audacity to put a 'foreign' part in the purity that is ford? just kidding, i think Mel is The Voice of Reason. tim mortimore 58 panel with a '70 390. > > Mel > 1953 F100/351c > 1934 5w/350 > 1934 Roadster/289 > 1970 El Camino/350 > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:28:45 -0500 From: "James I. McDaniel" Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 VIN Data Plate Gang, Dan Wentz suggested I post my question on VIN data plates to the Pre61 listserver. His reference books couldn't answer the question and he thought perhaps some of you would know the answer. I'll press REWIND here and catch you up on the conversation: ====== First, Dan included in one of his messages ======= << ...I have recently added a VIN decoder to my website (see below for the address)... Visit my Bonus Built 48-52 F Series Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~dwentz ====== I replied to Dan in a personal e-mail ======== Hello Dan, Enjoyed your website. I have a stock 52 F-1. Am putting in a new flathead V8 zero-time rebuild. Is an old engine that was rebuilt by Ford in Washington DC maybe 15-20 years ago. Engine is loose. Don't know yet how it'll run. Was looking at your page on decoding the VIN and other information, and my data plate has additional information your site doesn't cover. If you have the numbers, I'd like to know what the coding means after the color. It correctly shows the color "N" as Meadow Green. After the "N", it has a space, then "26" between color and production code, then above production code it has "J DC 41P." I have a photo of my truck and two photos of the data plate I'll attach. (I've removed those because the list won't support graphics. ~jim) My reference books won't decode these numbers. Can you help? Thanks. Jim McDaniel Northern Virginia PS, the VIN identifies my truck as a 1952 F-1 with a 239 V8, assembled in Chester PA. It was (and still is) painted Meadow Green. ====== Then Dan responded ====== My book doesn't decode these either. Oddly enough last night somebody wrote to the Bonus Built mailing list with the exact same question. I can only give you guesses as to what these mean. The "J" is the only thing that belongs there according to my book. That's the code for September. The 26 might be the day--September 26. D is a code for a 6 cylinder engine, and C is code for a half ton truck. My book doesn't say anything about the two of them going together as part of the production code though--and you have a V8 anyway. On the 52 Courier trucks D is also a code for gray & red cloth interior. 41P doesn't match up to anything at all that I know of. The code submitted last night was 30M4849Y, which doesn't match up to yours too well. My reference book is the red Ford Truck ID Numbers 46-72 and this appears to be one of it's many omissions (along with, notably, the absence of F5 and up models). Sorry I couldn't help. If I do learn anything I'll let you know and I'll put the info on the website as well. You might want to post the question on the Ford Truck Enthusiast list. Somebody there must have better reference books than we have. ~Dan =============== So here I am. If any of you know the meaning of these additional entries on the data plate, I'd appreciate hearing from you. Jim McD. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 12:29:35 -0800 From: Dan Wentz Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - transmission noise >my '53 3-speed tranny growls in first gear at speeds above 10 mph (yes, i >do use >2nd and 3rd, but i live in a city of hills)--strange thing is that is does >this >when the clutch is disengaged, as well. That sounds like the noise my 50 3 speed made before it died. One morning it started making the noise and the shifter had a little rattle in it as well. I started taking off in 2nd and made a note to check that out asap (since the truck was my daily driver and I had to be at work I couldn't do it right then, though I had a feeling I should). That night I pulled out of a friend's driveway in reverse when something catastrophic happened. I still haven't dismantled the transmission for an autopsy (after 5 years) so I don't know exactly what happened, but here's the result: Truck came to sudden halt, gear oil all over the road, fist size hole in transmission case, a dozen or so gear teeth laying in the oil puddle, owner saddened. > the noise is >more bothersome than anything else, That's what I thought. ~Dan 1950 F1 351C--No longer dumping coolant all over my parking space...hopefully. 1992 Mustang LX--Now feeling quite weak--maybe IT needs a 351 as well. Visit my Bonus Built 48-52 F Series Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~dwentz == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 16:22:07 -0500 From: Paul Subject: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic Viewing the digest, I was hoping someone could answer this question for me: why, occasionally, are some of the emails sent in one straight line, about 3 feet horizonatal, all the way into the living room instead of the "normal" length sentences? Just curious, Showing my computer illiteracy, Paul G. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 14:44:15 -0800 From: George Miller Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic Some people forget to set their email preferences to wrap messages into standard paragraphs; normally 72 characters per line. George Miller Paul wrote: > > Viewing the digest, I was hoping someone could answer this question for > me: why, occasionally, are some of the emails sent in one straight > line, about 3 feet horizonatal, all the way into the living room > instead of the "normal" length sentences? > > Just curious, > > Showing my computer illiteracy, > > Paul G. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 15:42:37 -0800 From: "Ray Cardogno" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Happy 1900! Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your last. Down here anyways ;) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:09:13 -0500 From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Email question off topic At 02:44 PM 12/31/1999 -0800, George Miller wrote: >Some people forget to set their email preferences to wrap messages into >standard paragraphs; normally 72 characters per line. Your mail reading program may be able to compensate: certainly Netscape's mail has a "wrap long lines" option in the 'View' menu. Eudora Pro seems to wrap long lines automatically. Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 20:13:58 -0500 From: "Thomas J. Teixeira" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? At 11:05 AM 12/31/1999 +0000, Tim Mortimore wrote: >Do we leave Jake in the parking lot? No, we give him some help, maybe >> even fix it. > >how 'bout a fistfight in the parking lot for having the audacity to put a >'foreign' part in the purity that is ford? > >just kidding, i think Mel is The Voice of Reason. I think Mel's analogy and suggestion is a good one. However, I think to follow through on the analogy, some people are saying that Jake shouldn't be allowed in the club at all, and although I had hoped that the question would be phrased in a way that made it clear Jake would be allowed in the club, it seems as though it's more to form a different club that Jake can join. Tom Teixeira '35 pickup http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://world.std.com/~tjt/35Pickup.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 21:14:59 EST From: Alpuntin aol.comSubject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: New List? No need in anyone getting their bowels in an uproar. We all knew this was a joke of a letter. Everybody should know if Jake had a vette rearend it would NOT breakdown. GM parts are solid as a rock. That is why WE the outcast took the BEST of both worlds. An Effie body and GM drivetrain. The very best of both worlds. Who could want more. Now on the other hand....... Well, enough said. Happy New Year to ALL !!! AL Best Effie Of Both Worlds Looks Like Ford, Drives Chevy Tough! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2000 00:58:23 EST From: Rwilson50 aol.comSubject: FTE Pre61 - Re: pre61-list-digest new year greetings i am a daily reader of our digest but back off on any input due to a lack of knowledge of flattys and the fact that i grafted a z-28 ifs to my 49 the logical choice was to go gm front to back all the way to modifing a 10 bolt to handle the shocks and springs its about 12:45 on new years, went out to the shop to add wood to the box and spent some time just mulling over how far i've come since since bringing home this rusted orphan , maybe i should name her? what i'm getting at is i care deeply about this truck, there isn't a bolt that hasn't been replaced or reconditioned period . does the drive train keep me from meeting people and swapping info ? i'm disabled and a family man so i get to my truck when i can. bottom line is -- don't stop the fellowship over a trivial thing like part swaps- we are on the verge of running out of original components nation wide. may the lord smile on us all this new year. russ wilson 49 f-1 (man, this babe needs a name) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 22:46:58 -0800 (PST) From: cliff lynn Subject: FTE Pre61 - central time happy newyear first e-mail in central time - --- Ray Cardogno wrote: > Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new > Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your > last. > > > > > Down here anyways ;) > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ===== Cliff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://messenger.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:13:57 -0800 (PST) From: cliff lynn Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - central time - --- cliff lynn > happy newyear first e-mail in central time > > --- Ray Cardogno > wrote: > > Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new > > Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your > > last. > > > > > > > > > > Down here anyways ;) > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > ===== > > Cliff > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://messenger.yahoo.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ===== Cliff __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://messenger.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 23:16:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ed Ellston Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - central time Happy New Year!! Is that all there is to the Y2K bug? I thought so! Ed and the Effie - --- cliff lynn > happy newyear first e-mail in central time > > --- Ray Cardogno > wrote: > > Happy new year! Happy new Century! Happy new > > Millenium! Enjoy the latter two. They may be your > > last. > > > > > > > > > > Down here anyways ;) > > > > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. > > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > ===== > > Cliff > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://messenger.yahoo.com > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://messenger.yahoo.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of pre61-list-digest V3 #385 ******************************** +- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1960 Trucks and vans --------------+ | Send posts to pre61-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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