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From: owner-pre61-list-digest  ford-trucks.com (pre61-list-digest) To: pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Subject: pre61-list-digest V3 #384 Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com Sender: owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Errors-To: owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk pre61-list-digest Friday, December 31 1999 Volume 03 : Number 384 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1948 truck and vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe pre61-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Bed Replacement FTE Pre61 - Low Oil Pressure [none] RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: still trying to start truck engine Re: FTE Pre61 - voting on the new list FTE Pre61 - Re: My 52 F-1 FTE Pre61 - transmission noise Re: FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 Trailer Hitch FTE Pre61 - Thanks Lee ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 18:52:57 EST From: JRFiero aol.com Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Truck Bed Replacement In a message dated 12/22/1999 6:46:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, TNickolson aol.com writes: > Nothing looks as good as Red Oak boards, stained natural and then 10 coats of > > Polyurethane. Less work than plywood, looks original and looks best. The > stainless steel strips make the finishing touch. If the truck is being > restored to original you must use black painted strips. That's my opinion. > Could have sworn that the original boards were hard pine. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:22:38 -0800 From: "Dewayne Reding" Subject: FTE Pre61 - Low Oil Pressure Sheldon RE: the high mileage 302 with low oil pressure when warm. What you almost surely have is excessive main journal/main bearing wear. The oil pumps are pretty reliable now days so changing that alone rarely fixes the problem. I assume you would rather not do a complete overhaul of the short block so here is a fairly low buck way to bump the oil pressure and squeeze some more miles out of most any V-8 and especially small block fords. I would drop the pan and install some .001 oversized main bearings (one thousandth, not ten thousandths oversize like you would do if you grind the crank undersized). Then install a high volume oil pump and put the pan back on. I have done this for many customers. While I can't promise it will work, I have never seen it fail me yet. Not unusual for a motor to increase from 5 PSI to 30+ PSI and that is enough to keep her alive. Also, always change the rear main seal while the pan is off (if a two piece seal) and loosen the accessory drive belts to make it much easier to get the old main bearings/rear seal out. If you have never been deep in a motor, find someone who has to inspect. Regards, Dewayne Reding 53 F100 95 F150 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 19:38:25 -0600 From: "Terry" Subject: [none] neither of these questions relates to pre 61's but you are a smart bunch so....... I am always bring refered to as a smart ASS. Does that count? Question A) - ~1970 302 in truck I bought recently that hadn't been ran for long in years thermostat didn't seem to be opening - went to replace tstat & found the thermostat housing and nearby hoses totally plugged with something that looks like cheese - Get some lye, potash, potassium or sodium hydroxide, or radiator flush. Whatever you care to call it, should help break down the mud. If no luck, dilute some miuratic acid and poor on the obstructions for a few minutes. If you leave the thermostat out and wash out the system once or twice with the little bottle of radiator flush, it should work. You need to have the motor running at normal temp to work best. If the weather is very cold cover the front of the radiator so you dont freeze it up. YOu may also need to rot the radiator out if the mess is as bad as it sounds. Question 2) our one work truck is an old tired 88 F150 with equally tired 302 but still runs/drives OK - oil pressure is very low especially when hot - in the cold weather would we be better to run 5w or 10w Depending how cold is cold. If subzero, then you might not have much choice other than 10w. I have never favored lighter oil in sb fords. If you dont see much below freezing then 10w40 or 20w50 is fine, just dont rev up the motor when starting it up. Your low oil pressure is usually due to cam bearings, if you dont hear a hollowish knocking when the motor first starts. If you do hear the knock it is the mains. Either way low oil pressure is a sign of near death on a later model small block, so dont abuse it too hard. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:30:29 -0500 From: "Miguel....." Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: still trying to start truck engine A good option I have used to start or turn an engine is winding a cable on the crankshaft pulley. then pull it..thatīll turn it over. - -----Mensaje original----- De: Kreig McBride Para: pre61-list ford-trucks.com Fecha: jueves 30 de diciembre de 1999 2:07 Asunto: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: still trying to start truck engine >Oh. Some one recommended I tap the pistons. Guess that option isn't an >option. >This internet thing isn't so good. Now everyone in the whole world knows how >much of a dummy I am. > >Kreig >-----Original Message----- >From: sam fugate >To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com >Date: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 5:03 PM >Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: still trying to start truck engine > > >>Hey Kreig, >>How are you tapping the top of the pistons with the heads still on the >>engine? >>The flathead engines valves are directly under the spark plug holes (well, >>almost) not the pistons. The only way to tap the pistons is to remove the >>heads. >>Just a little input. >>Sam in Mount Sterling >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Kreig McBride >>To: >>Cc: >>Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 1999 5:27 PM >>Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: still trying to start truck engine >> >> >>> OK Ok OK >>> Heres the plan with the Ford Flathead V8 >>> I will fill all cylinders to the top with a penetrating liquid. >>> I will gently tap on the piston tops with a wood or soft brass rod to >>> "loosen" the pistons. >>> I will continue to try and rotate the engine using one of several very >>> gentle methods as recommended. >>> When all else fails I will remove the heads and have a look-see. >>> >>> Towing the truck to rotate the engine is not an option. >>> >>> I was hoping to get the engine running and avoid a rebuild but we will >>see. >>> >>> Thanks for all of the help. >>> >>> Kreig in Bellingham >>> >>> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >>> >> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 20:51:43 -0800 From: "Ray Cardogno" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - voting on the new list Been there, Thought that. I decided however after a certain amount of disagreement, that I was wrong. I think the spirit of the law will take precidence over the letter of the law and we can pretty much go about our business with an occaisional reference here and there to heretical issues, but if someone really wants do dealve into Issues about their MOPAR suspension, CHEVY engine, or TOYOTA steering (are we all still OK?), then this new list would be JUST THE PLACE :) On a more immediate note, I think this turning of the millenium will be our best yet! - -- On Thu, 30 Dec 1999 17:19:16 JRFiero wrote: >In a message dated 12/19/1999 6:51:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, >jniolon wans.net writes:> >> Why have only 52 people voted ??? > >- Because its the wrong question. Should instead be a carefully worded >question about allowing limited discussion of non-Ford parts. >- Because numerous of us, I bet, never (almost never) go to the website. I >just did, it took me an inordinate amount of time to find the 'voting' area, >and even then I didn't vote, 'cause of response 1 above. >- Because we don't know what a 'No' vote means. I don't think there should >be separate list, but that's because 1) I get too much mail from various >lists already, and 2) I don't think the valid Ford content and experience of >those who have non-Ford engines should be removed from the lists I do pay >attention to (or, to which I do pay attention). So a 'no' vote could mean >all that, or it could mean I don't want to hear about non-Ford stuff. >- Therefore, I'm not voting. >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 00:25:40 -0500 From: Petra and Lee Slezak Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: My 52 F-1 Tom, I checked out your website and it looks like you are well on your way to a very nice ride. When looking at the picture of the passenger side of the engine it appears that you don't have a temp sensor hooked up to that head. I have a friend that only had a sensor on the driver side head of his flathead and the passenger side thermostat stuck shut while driving it one day. Because of the design of the cooling system in the flatheads by the time the driver side got hot and showed on the gauge the engine was toasted. I immediately ran a second sensor and gauge on my flathead (1 driver side and 1 passenger side) and would suggest this to anyone that hasn't done so already. Lee S. 50 F-1 flathead 8 66 Galaxy 500 2dr fastback 390 4bbl == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 21:47:30 -0800 From: "Hunter L. Wimmer" Subject: FTE Pre61 - transmission noise my '53 3-speed tranny growls in first gear at speeds above 10 mph (yes, i do use 2nd and 3rd, but i live in a city of hills)--strange thing is that is does this when the clutch is disengaged, as well. if the truck is in first gear, and i'm coasting down a hill with the clutch pedel pressed to the floor, it makes a loud spinning/whirring/growling noise (same goes for driving above 10mph). it stops when i shift to 2nd of neutral. the noise is more bothersome than anything else, but i've had tranny trouble with another truck, so i'm jaded. i had a new clutch and pressure plate installed when i first bought the truck 2 months ago. the transmission is full of 140w oil plus a touch of hyper-lube oil supplement (i switched from 90w, which is what the clutch shop used). the tranny was dismantled and cleaned before installation (but not rebuilt)--the original tranny in the truck was bad when i purchased it (the truck) and the growling tranny was provided as a back-up unit by the seller. assuming we all make it through the new year, i'll be interested in hearing some informed responses...thanks hunter shakeytown, ca (san fran.) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:13:42 -0500 From: "James I. McDaniel" Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 1952 F-1 Trailer Hitch JRFiero aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 12/26/1999 8:32:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, > shark4 pop.dn.net writes:> > > It looks like the stock rear bumper will support pulling a medium-sized > trailer,... - ------------------ > When I think back to the ungodly loads I pulled with the welded-on hitch on the > bumper of my '52 panel, I shudder. But nothing ever went wrong, scared myself > with the braking effort, and undoubtedly shortened the clutch life, but the > bumper and brackets held up nicely. Me and my ruddy brown primer '52 towed my > white and rust '56 Karmen Ghia autocross car all over the place. Ripped the > center out of the clutch disc coming into a toll booth on route 95 in CT, just > waved and drove right through (wouldn't disengage)... <<<<< snip >>>>> Sounds like a hole drilled in the top center of the bumper with a 2" ball (braced from under the bumper flange by a four-foot-long-or-so angle iron) should be strong enough for me. I'm putting in a new 8BA engine and installing a new 11" clutch and pressure plate and new brakes all the way around. Should get me both started and stopped, at least for awhile. Thanks for the reply. Any thoughts from others? Jim McDaniel shark4 pop.dn.net== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 01:39:44 EST From: Flathead52 aol.comSubject: FTE Pre61 - Thanks Lee Lee Thanks for the information. Since I took those pictures, I've installed two sperate temperature gauges. What I did was buy a set of triple gauges temp/oil/amp. And then I purchased a single temp gague.I was shocked at how close the two sides ran together the largest difference I've seen has been five degrees. Tom == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ End of pre61-list-digest V3 #384 ******************************** +- Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1960 Trucks and vans --------------+ | Send posts to pre61-list ford-trucks.com, || List removal information is on the web site. | +---------- Visit Our Web Site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ ----------+.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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