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pre61-list-digest Sunday, December 19 1999 Volume 03 : Number 371



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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Carburetor pump link pin mods
FTE Pre61 - Wiring Harness
Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please
FTE Pre61 - this and that
Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please
FTE Pre61 - dents
Re: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!
FTE Pre61 - Re: Y-block
FTE Pre61 - vin decoder
FTE Pre61 - Stainless VS Zinc
Re: FTE Pre61 - Stainless VS Zinc
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 06:57:03 -0600 (CST)
From: elmo56 webtv.net (Carl Krueger)
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Carburetor pump link pin mods

Would you mind explaining all those letters, please?.

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 09:33:39 EST
From: PBRUHN aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Wiring Harness

Ed Elston asked about wiring harness - suggest he check out ClassTech - I
used theirs in my '52 F1 - good quality and good diagrams, etc. for
installation - zero problems.

ClassTech - Bend, OR - 800-874-9981 - Chris Olsen

Good luck! Bruno
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:05:17 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please

>Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 00:16:49 -0800
>From: "Ray Cardogno"
>Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please
>
>The following is the only thing I am seeing at the voting page relating somewhat to all the hubbub about non-ford mods:
>
>Should we create a list to cover non-Ford and after-market customization of Ford trucks?

- -Snip- That's exactly what I posted would be the question.

>Shouldn't another question be something like:
>
>Is it OK to mention the use of non-ford mods on our existing lists as long as it does not dwell on the technical aspects of the non-ford mods?

There are too many loop holes. Is installing a 350 technical?
Or is a 350 tune up technical?

>Am I missing the relevant issue? I know I don't have time to subscribe to yet another list which would probably be so all-encompassing by way of ford year/models so as to water-down the good, targeted discussions we have enjoyed for so long.

Yes, you are. What I am doing is presenting a compromise.
As has been noted, even if it did pass to allow non-Ford
discussion, the flame wars by the die-hards would errupt
every time a non-Ford discussion started. I'm presenting
a place for such people to talk about it. You're reading
far more into it than there is. Such is list is not
watered down, its targeted. Mopar engines on *this* list
is watering down.

>If the new list gets rejected, does that mean we still can't talk about our mopar engines?

Correct, that means you can't talk about it.

>If it gets approved does it mean we have to talk with another set of list members (basically get shunned from talking about our trucks with folks we've been talking with for a long time and have a "relationship" with)?

No. The list members who share the same common interested
in doing such things would subscribe to that list. If anything,
you'll have far more openness to ask the questions you need
to ask.

Keep in mind that I could just ignore the whole issue just
as many ignore both the Charter and FAQ. It would be a whole
lot easier for me to just put "For Chevy questions, go to the
Stovebolt page" on the bottom of each post. You won't be the
one who will have to deal with the complaining if Chevy
discussion appears on this list, I will. My compromise deals
with both the needs/wants of the list members and takes care
of MY needs (ie, I've got a life and I don't want to field
complaints).

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 10:14:34 -0500
From: "C. Greenlaw"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - this and that

George Miller wrote:

> Terry wrote:
> >
> > Who says a Y block won't "breathe" with a isky 3/4 race cam and a Holley
> > 500 CFM 2 bbl,

>
> > What exactly is a 3/4 race cam anyway. Does it also come in a half or full
> > race version? Is it not up to full race specs? Or just not competitive at
> > the races? Help me out here..........
>
> In the late '40s and early '50s, a 3/4 race flathead cam was what the
> speed shop recommended to those who wanted to drive it on the street, as
> versus a 'full race' cam. You also built your flathead to a '5/16' for
> the street, in lieu of a '3/8 x3/8'. TGeorge

Yes, the "good old days" when cams were race, full race, 3/4 race, 400 Jr., all
out. Life was good. None of this duration at .050 stuff. Who cared about lift,
If Isky stamped it "3/4" that what you got. A Isky 3/4 cam for Y blocks is 216
deg. intake and exhaust duration (.050) and .425 lift. They really didn't like
to open the valves in the old days, probably because now we have computer
designed acceleration and deceleration ramps to keep from smashing the seats. Far
as I know, you can still get one. 3/4 on the end and all.

Someone asked about rebuild kits: Try Northern Auto Parts, Sioux City, Iowa
800-831-0884. Their '98 book listed 292 and 312's rering ($110) master ($630) and
cam kits ($249). Of course I can't find the new catalog, it but I think they are
on the internet now also.

47Fred

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 07:25:33 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please

The list charter states discussion of Ford Trucks w/Ford family engines.
Several members have, for those who haven't bothered to read it,
reiterated the charter on the list. Ken is offering the possibility of a
forum for those who want to discuss other manufacturers engines in Ford
Trucks. Seems pretty simple; if you want to discuss your Mopar engine on
one of Ken's lists, vote yes.

George Miller

Ray Cardogno wrote:
>
> The following is the only thing I am seeing at the voting page relating somewhat to all the hubbub about non-ford mods:
>
> (copy)
> Should we create a list to cover non-Ford and after-market customization of Ford trucks? [12 votes total]
> Yes! 6(50%)
> No! 4(33%)
> Who Cares? 2(16%)
>
> Shouldn't another question be something like:
>
> Is it OK to mention the use of non-ford mods on our existing lists as long as it does not dwell on the technical aspects of the non-ford mods?
>
> Am I missing the relevant issue? I know I don't have time to subscribe to yet another list which would probably be so all-encompassing by way of ford year/models so as to water-down the good, targeted discussions we have enjoyed for so long.
>
> If the new list gets rejected, does that mean we still can't talk about our mopar engines?
>
> If it gets approved does it mean we have to talk with another set of list members (basically get shunned from talking about our trucks with folks we've been talking with for a long time and have a "relationship" with)?
>
> Ray C
>
> Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.angelfire.com
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 08:19:17 -0800
From: "Kurt Stokke"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - dents

I have a '55 F100 I bought about 6 mo. ago, and although I feel fairly
competant about doing most mechanical work, I have almost no experience
doing body work. I have rebuilt the bed and replaced the rear cab corners
which turned out really well, and am now working on the front fenders. I
got rid of close to 1/4" of bondo that was used to fill some small dents,
and have some hammers & dolly's, but would like to find out the proper way
to go about working these dents out as much as possible prior to
refilling/smoothing/priming. Is there a site with articles or recommended
literature about this someone knows about that I may refer to? I couldn't
find what I wanted at the library, so thought I'd try here. I'm also
interested to know about any sites showing the window
mechanisms/installation, and panel construction for the cab interior.
Excuse my ignorances and Thanks in advance,
Kurt


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:24:38 EST
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!

I second Steve's thought.

Tom Nickolson
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 11:35:22 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Y-block

Janet wrote
>1) When I bought Blazin'48 I was told the engine serial number was =
>ECG6015G but I have not verified that the number is correct. Where do I =
>look for the engine serial number?

Look on the driver side of the block. Should see a raised casting mark.

>2) I have been told it is a 1955 Y block OHV V-8 272 ci but I don't have =
>a book to see if that is correct. The guy I bought the fire truck from =
>thought it was a 292. Can anyone help?

If the the block casting number is correct it could be a 272 or a 292. ECG
prefix was used for both in different years. You need to locate the date
code casting mark on the side of the block, could be either side. It should
start with 5 if it is a 55 model. An example would be 5 B 16. The 5
indicates last digit of the year, B indicates the month ranging from A to M
(I not used), in this example February, the 16 indicates day of the month.
Another date code is stamped on the block at the front of the engine, behind
the water pump, next to the edge of the valley pan. This is the date the
engine was assembled at Ford. If it is a 1955 or 56 date and the ECG is
there then you have a 272. When you find the codes, post them on the list
for a more definte ID.

For those interested a good reference book for part and casting numbers is
"Ultimate American V-8 Engine Data Book 1949-1974". It has lists of codes
for Y-blocks from 1954 to 1964 as well as all other Ford engines. It even
has data on non-Ford engines for the non-purists. The ISBN is
0-7603-0489-0.

Roger
55F100


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 14:57:44 -0500 (EST)
From: racerdan webtv.net (Dan W)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - vin decoder

So my truck woud be as follows?
F10D3G30484
F10=3D 1/2 ton truck
D =A0 =3D 215 6 cyl
3 =A0 =3D 1953
G =A0 =3D ????
30484th truck off the line
Can anyone tell me where it was made?
Thanks
Dan from Indiana

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 16:24:50 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Stainless VS Zinc

I am playing with the idea of replacing all of the zinc
nuts and bolts that are visible (like the fender, radiator
support) with Stainless. Has anyone had their truck
AACA judged or know about how they would look at
that. Don't think stainless was available in 55 but is
looks good and requires no maintenance.

Howard

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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 17:33:24 -0500
From: Fred g 454
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Stainless VS Zinc

Howard,

I did that with my truck... but I did it for me, Don't enter it in
anything, just drive it and love it.

Fred
hotrod'56

"Howard H. Tarnoff" wrote:

> I am playing with the idea of replacing all of the zinc
> nuts and bolts that are visible (like the fender, radiator
> support) with Stainless. Has anyone had their truck
> AACA judged or know about how they would look at
> that. Don't think stainless was available in 55 but is
> looks good and requires no maintenance.
>
> Howard
>
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 22:55:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Pictorial additions:

1950 F1
1965 F250 Camper Special
1972 F600
1979 F350

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 23:02:20 -0800
From: "Ray Cardogno"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Voting?? Ken L K Please

Thanks Ken and George for taking the time to address my concerns and confusion.....

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