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pre61-list-digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 369



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!
FTE Pre61 - 2 Grovers?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!
FTE Pre61 - Re: FORD
FTE Pre61 - Free shipping on the web site
FTE Pre61 - Automatic Trans for F100 Y block
FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford Project
FTE Pre61 - Re: Last $.02 Worth
FTE Pre61 - "Ford" guys
FTE Pre61 - vin decoder
FTE Pre61 - If anybody is interested in getting back to talking trucks let me know!
FTE Pre61 - TRUCK CAB
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Last $.02 Worth
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford Project
Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents
FTE Pre61 - Carburetor pump link pin mods
Re: FTE Pre61 - Carburetor pump link pin mods

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:19:21 -0600
From: "Terry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!

The only thing I own that is Ch**y powered is my Chris Craft runabout. It
still has the original Corvette 283 motor in it. ANd when people ask me if I
am going to change it to a 350......Well you know what happens then.

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:24:22 -0600
From: "Terry"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!

Who says a Y block won't "breathe" with a isky 3/4 race cam and a Holley
500 CFM 2 bbl, my '56 312 would run 6 grand in every gear and with 3.50
gears that's close to 120. ('course it took a few miles to get there, but a
'57 sedan is pretty heavy).

What exactly is a 3/4 race cam anyway. Does it also come in a half or full
race version? Is it not up to full race specs? Or just not competitive at
the races? Help me out here..........

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:30:15 -0600
From: "Terry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 2 Grovers?

Are there 2 Grovers in the FTE?



The name of my blue healer is Grover. He is all FORD. But I dont think HE
has been getting on the list. At least not to my knowledge...

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:29:09 -0500
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!

Steve,
I'm with you!!!!
Even if I have 5 Fords & 5 Chevys, I agree that this list should be Fords.
Maybe someone can start a list of Ford/Chevy hybreds
Anyone?
Bill
- -----Original Message-----
From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 6:41 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!


> Uh, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that *once again*
> the signal to noise ratio on this list has dropped to nearly
> zero...?
> The "to chevy or not to chevy" question seems to be the dominant
> theme here AGAIN.
>
> The "Ford vs. chevy" debate is almost as old as automotive history.
> As long as chevy stuff is allowed to be discussed on a FORD list,
> (or Ford stuff on a chevy list) there's going to be regular fights about
it.
> The only way I can see to keep it from being a total flamefest every
> month or three is to keep the chevy discussions on a separate list.
>
> If you go to the local pound, you'll find that dogs and cats are
> kept in separate housing, not just thrown together in one cage.
> There's a *reason* for that... It keeps them from trying to
> kill each other.
>
> Even if there's a vote, and chevy motor discussion is "legally"
> allowed on the list, there's still always going to be fighting about it
> It's as inevitable as death and taxes.
> I don't think a vote will change that. It's obvious that almost no one
> reads the FTE FAQ anyway, so even if the "official policy" changes I doubt
> it'll do a thing to change the amount of bickering about it.
>
> (Don't get me wrong, I think a vote would be an interesting thing,
> and I've always admired Ken for letting people who are using HIS time
> and resources for free have a say in how he runs HIS lists.)
>
> I'll admit, I don't like chevy products much, and I don't enjoy hearing
> about them on a FORD list, but I'm adult enough (usually) to let other
> people do their own thing, and to keep my mouth shut and use my DELETE
> key when necessary.
> What I CAN'T stand is all the arguing about petty B.S.
> A little is expected, but every time the "chevy motor" subject
> comes up on this list the arguing becomes the dominant thread for
> a week or two. I've seen it happen here *so* many times now.
> Has anyone counted the posts in the last week and kept track of how
> many actually relate to FORD trucks and how many are just bickering
> amoung "family" members?
> It's friggin' appalling.
>
> I graduated from grade school a long time ago, and have no desire
> to repeat the grade school experiance. If I want to hear this kind
> of arguing, I can go to
> I think there's a few of y'all who ought to take Mommys advice and
> go take a little nap, cuz you obviously get kinda cranky when
> you're tired.
>
> Ya gotta love this:
>
>>>>TRUE BLUE SUCKIE>>Break the vacuum off his(Ken)
>>butt>>go back to biting your lip.
>>
>>This response is to the anonymous a**hole that spewed the trash shown
above.
>>If you'd have said this to my face, we woulda danced and you wouldn't have
>>liked the beat. But, of course, you didn't say it to my face. You said it
>>from behind your keyboard like the weaksuck troll that you are! Back to
the
>>dungheap with ya!
>
> I could go on for hours about what I think the collective I.Q.s of
> these two individuals might be or what their worth to the list is,
> but I think they've said it all for themselves.
> I will say that it gives me the creeps to think that either of them
> might actually be out on the road somewhere...
> From their dialogue I can't imagine that either one is old enough
> to legally drive.
>
> C'mon, can't we all just try and act like intelligent adults,
> whether we really are or not..?
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:33:08 -0600
From: "Terry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FORD

First on race day.
On
Race
Day


I would rather push my FORD that ride in you c***y.

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 19:27:13 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Free shipping on the web site

Hi gang,

As many of you know, we've purchased a new high powered web server
that will be online by Jan 1, 2000. In order to help cover the
expenses, we're introducing a special offer to drive business on
the web store. NOW THROUGH DECEMBER 24TH, ALL SHIPPING IS FREE!
All books, manuals and decals are available immediate shipping.
Most large items are available for immediate drop-shipping.

http://www.ford-trucks.com

Happy holidays!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:38:08 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Automatic Trans for F100 Y block

I talked to Flat-o Products about their adapter kit for Ford Y block engine
to C4 trans. The existing kit is for the Y block cars but they are working
on a version for the trucks. The kit provides a new bell housing with frame
mounts like the original but will allow you to bolt up a C4 trans to it. I
think this is a good way to get a dependable automatic trans and keep your
original engine and still use Ford parts. The truck version is expected to
be available by the first of the year. If you want more details check out
their website at www.flat-o.com . It also lets you use a starter for a
390/360 FE engine or convert your original with an included starter drive.

Roger
55 F100 (still stock)


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:09:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford Project

FTE guys and gals:

Got my new old 49 Ford Pickup "Effie" home yesterday
and I need a couple of things to make her safer and
more pleasant to ride in. The old gal needs a new
wiring harness and I was wondering which vendor I
should use. I have a catalog from Sacramento Ford and
their harness looks pretty good. Anyone have
experience doing this and what or who do you
recommend?

Secondly, I'm going to put 15" wheels with wide white
radials on her and I need a source for 15" wheels. I
heard mention on here about using P235 75 tires on 15"
wheels. What is the general feeling about that?

By the way, the wife loves the truck!!!

Ed and Effie

P.S. Anyone looking for a 52 Ford 6 cyl. project
truck for around $600? One for sale in the local
Allentown, PA area.

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:08:43 EST
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Last $.02 Worth

I think we are missing the point. I don't think most of us have a problem
with what we put into, under or around our Ford trucks. We just want this to
stay a Ford list. Nothing wrong with talking about installing Jag rears,
Corvette Rears, Volare' clips, Chevy Engines, Hemi Engines etc, I think we
just don't want to get into how to overhaul a Corvette Rear or Hemi engine.
We do want to get into how to overhaul a Ford rear or how to install a 3"
dropped axle etc Keep the tech stuff to Ford.
Mel
1953 f100
1934 5w
1934 Roadster
1970 El Camino
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:21:18 EST
From: PBRUHN aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - "Ford" guys

I think that there have been some GREAT responses to the Chevy/Ford nonsense.
If you need help on this, please read:

william.vierra barclaysglobal.com

or

rswhitmore yahoo.com

or

sdelanty sonic.com

Hey - guys - let's be halfway smart about this - PLEASE!!!! Don't wreck a
good thing.

Bruno
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 20:53:04 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - vin decoder

Hi Gang. A friend of mine has an old Ford (with a Ford engine in it) and he
is trying to find out about the VIN numbers. Can one of you guys help us out?
The VIN number is F10D3D20988.

Thanks,
Paul
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:03:49 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - If anybody is interested in getting back to talking trucks let me know!

Personally I am getting tired of the previous post. If any body wants to talk
effies please let me know. I have a 56 small window I am building. I will not
mention my drivetrain but I would like to know if any body has used the
replacement window regulator stems for the crank. I just removed my old ones.
Easier than I thought. Are the replacements reliable? Also I am going with
the one piece glass for the doors. Do the runner and felt kits bolt into
existing holes or do I have to make modifications? I hope this post gets us
back to what we need to be posting/talking about.

Meat....( Bill Ireland)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:08:29 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - TRUCK CAB

I just received an e-mail from a guy in California. He has a 56 small window
cab for sale. I am told it is rustfree with glass and doors. Any one
interested let me know and I will pass along his e-mail address.

Meat
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:32:47 -0500
From: "sam fugate"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Last $.02 Worth

Amen, Mel, I have nooooo problem with what anyone wants to do with their
vehicle,,, But After all this is a Ford Truck Site! If you want to talk
Chevy's ,, http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stovebolt.com/truck/ is a really cool site.
Sam,
Still working on my 51 F1
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From:
To:
Sent: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:08 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Last $.02 Worth


> I think we are missing the point. I don't think most of us have a problem
> with what we put into, under or around our Ford trucks. We just want this
to
> stay a Ford list. Nothing wrong with talking about installing Jag rears,
> Corvette Rears, Volare' clips, Chevy Engines, Hemi Engines etc, I think we
> just don't want to get into how to overhaul a Corvette Rear or Hemi
engine.
> We do want to get into how to overhaul a Ford rear or how to install a 3"
> dropped axle etc Keep the tech stuff to Ford.
> Mel
> 1953 f100
> 1934 5w
> 1934 Roadster
> 1970 El Camino
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:53:35 -0500
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford Project

I've got a'51 F-1 project truck, but I've got to get $800 & I'm in North
Florida.
Bill
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From: Ed Ellston
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 8:19 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 Ford Project


>FTE guys and gals:
>
>Got my new old 49 Ford Pickup "Effie" home yesterday
>and I need a couple of things to make her safer and
>more pleasant to ride in. The old gal needs a new
>wiring harness and I was wondering which vendor I
>should use. I have a catalog from Sacramento Ford and
>their harness looks pretty good. Anyone have
>experience doing this and what or who do you
>recommend?
>
>Secondly, I'm going to put 15" wheels with wide white
>radials on her and I need a source for 15" wheels. I
>heard mention on here about using P235 75 tires on 15"
>wheels. What is the general feeling about that?
>
>By the way, the wife loves the truck!!!
>
>Ed and Effie
>
>P.S. Anyone looking for a 52 Ford 6 cyl. project
>truck for around $600? One for sale in the local
>Allentown, PA area.
>
>__________________________________________________
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 18:48:26 -0800
From: George Miller
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!

Terry wrote:
>
> Who says a Y block won't "breathe" with a isky 3/4 race cam and a Holley
> 500 CFM 2 bbl, my '56 312 would run 6 grand in every gear and with 3.50
> gears that's close to 120. ('course it took a few miles to get there, but a
> '57 sedan is pretty heavy).
>
> What exactly is a 3/4 race cam anyway. Does it also come in a half or full
> race version? Is it not up to full race specs? Or just not competitive at
> the races? Help me out here..........

In the late '40s and early '50s, a 3/4 race flathead cam was what the
speed shop recommended to those who wanted to drive it on the street, as
versus a 'full race' cam. You also built your flathead to a '5/16' for
the street, in lieu of a '3/8 x3/8'. That vernacular carried over into
the early overhead valved engines because aftermarket cam technology was
a new, small world dominated by a few pioneers like Isky, crower and
others. There was no 1/2" Comp Cams catalog or other mass marketing
tools to educate street racers or wantabees.

George
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:15:56 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

Let's all try to be adults about this. A reminder, from our
FAQ:

- - No brutal flaming allowed. Mild flames are a normal and usually
humorous part of Internet life. Again, use common sense here.

- - Please refrain from obscenity and the use of expletives. We have
members of all ages and walks of life on the list. Extreme
obscenity will result in your removal from the mailing list
without warning! If you wouldn't say it in front of your mother,
don't say it here.

I think that's all that needs to be said about that.

There is room for a lot of compromise here. The vote is up on
the site at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/cgi-bin/vcenter.cgi

I strongly caution anyone against voting more than once, the
script records user IP and other header information to help
flag duplicate votes.

The vote is about compromise. This issue is too hot to make
it a part of this list, the flame wars would get bad and as
someone already pointed out, it would still be frowned upon
by die-hards. I think the question I put up for a vote is
a good compromise:

"Should we create a list to cover non-Ford and after-market
customization of Ford trucks?"

Later,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:13:45 -0600
From: JeffH
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Carburetor pump link pin mods

Here's a question for ya:

My truck, a 1950 F3, has the 239 V8 and original carb.
The link pin is real loose in the pump link (well, the
thingie with the three holes, whatever it is called).
It has worked its way loose once before, but that is
another story. I was thinking of running the piece by
a machine shop and seeing if they could attach something
to the pin so that it would stay in the hole better (I
don't foresee changing holes ever). My question is if
anyone else has had this problem and any suggestions on
how else to resolve it.

The first person who suggestions swapping in another
manufacturer's engine gets a trout slap... :)

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