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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents
FTE Pre61 - List subject matter
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents
FTE Pre61 - 59 Stepside Stuff
FTE Pre61 - Re: Y-block
FTE Pre61 - Engine Debate
Re: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter
Re: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter
FTE Pre61 - BS
RE: FTE Pre61 - re: The Power of a Y-block
Re: FTE Pre61 - re: The Power of a Y-block
FTE Pre61 - Re; My 2 Cents
FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 07:45:37 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

In a message dated 12/17/99 2:34:03 AM Eastern Standard Time,
usedequipmentsales angelfire.com writes:

>


AMEN! I second this 100 percent.

Happy Holidays to all.

Meat....( Bill Ireland)
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:59:58 -0500
From: Abe Stauffer
Subject: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter

Hey guys,
Let's use some common sense here! As I have said before, as a young lad
I was a Chevy guy. I had a '55 and '57 Chevy (cars). My Dad had a '48 5
window Chevy pickup. My older brother had several 48-54 Chevy pickups
(He still has his '53 F-600 Dump truck with the flathead,by the way). I
think I ticked some people off when I said "I like Old Ford trucks
because I have one." But I have had that old Ford for the last 22 years.
I had the '55, '57 Chevys and my '54 Ford F-100 all at the same time.
But look at what I kept!! So now I am a Old Ford truck guy!
My main point here about our tremendous list digest is this: Whether
you have non-Ford stuff in your truck, or more modern Ford stuff, or if
you are a stocker, NONE of us are paying a single penny for this
service, for the tremendous amount of knowledge. Have you ever contacted
the Henry Ford Museum at Dearborn. They will copy some pablum out of a
book and mail it to you, and many times it is incorrect. For more
research it is $35 per hour!!! My advice here is to follow the
bylaws. Ken does not get paid for his time which is much like a full
time job.
At the risk of offending anyone, and again I appreciate your Ford
trucks no matter what you have in them, if you can't play by the rules
start your own page. These discussions take up too much of our time. I
usually skip over them when they pop up. Hopefully this is resolved as
everyone has valuable info to share and I would hate to see anyone
leave!!!
Abe
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:14:10 +0000
From: Fred Hooper
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

Come on guys, lets not start. The vote will tell the tale.
I see both sides. Both have good points. The guy who gives you the information
or parts you need may or may not be a Ford Purist, but he's here because he
loves Ford trucks. Without him you might not find what it is you seek. Let's not
fight about this. Ken is right, put it to a vote. If Pigeon forge excluded
trucks because of content, there would not be a Pigeon forge show. think about
it.

Fred
Hotrod'56


Alpuntin aol.com wrote:

> JDH writes
>
>
> on the web, Ford or otherwise, and I thank you for your fine efforts. >>
>
> I must say that if a vote ever comes for being a TRUE BLUE SUCKIE you get
> mine.
>
> Break the vacuum off his butt. You would be surprised how many people send
> me e-mail that have other than F**D engines and are afraid to say for fear of
> idiots like you will trash them. There is good info on this site for all to
> use. I would suggest you go back to biting your lip.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:59:06 -0600
From: "Brian C Nyman"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 59 Stepside Stuff

Byron,
I don't have any decent 53-56 boxes to spare. We salvaged pretty much anything
we could. Is it possible you have a 1-ton box from a later model stepside?
I've got this setup on my box. The box sides flair "in" and the fenders are
mounted higher. The box of this type is also several inches wider than 1/2 tons
(and longer). Okay, maybe you'd have noticed all these differences by now.

I would be happy to purchase the "steps" from you however. All my parts are
from up here in salt-happy MN, so things are pretty rusted up. Most of the
things I've got are from vehicles for use from the whole family. I've got an
uncle with a '56, and an aunt who wants to rebuild a '53.

Send me something off-list.

Thanks,
Brian Nyman
bnyman allina.com

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:10:30 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Y-block

Hi there,
I own the '48 F6 fire truck that is out on the FTE pictorial and I have a =
question about the engine number.

1) When I bought Blazin'48 I was told the engine serial number was =
ECG6015G but I have not verified that the number is correct. Where do I =
look for the engine serial number?

2) I have been told it is a 1955 Y block OHV V-8 272 ci but I don't have =
a book to see if that is correct. The guy I bought the fire truck from =
thought it was a 292. Can anyone help?

Thank you for any help.

By the way, I love my FORD truck!!! The blue oval is just too pretty! I =
was able to scrounge up an oval from the grill of a pickup and mounted it =
on the rear of the fire truck for those out there who don't know their =
trucks. It's obviously a fire truck but the uneducated might not know it's =
a FORD. I also have a blue oval trailer hitch cover on the back of my j**p =
Che*o*ee. Folks just don't understand that one at all but I just tell them =
it's in honor of my "one Fine Old Red Dream (FORD) machine". Then the =
questions start and I get to tell them all about my FORD fire truck. I =
love life!

And to everyone out there, have a fire safe and blessed Christmas. Enjoy =
the holiday season the fire safe way - make sure your smoke detectors are =
working.
Janet
Blazin'48

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:20:08 -0800
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Engine Debate

In reading all the messages about the engine debates what strikes me is how
the majority are sincere and rather eloquent in expressing themselves.

What frustrates is the few that resort to symbols and berating of others to
present theirs. In every issue I have seen debated the person who gets the
most respect at the end is the one doesn't let the heat of the moment get
the better of them.

My suggestion would be to write your email save it for a day and reread it
to see of you really need all the symbols and negative remarks.

Personally I don't care what anyone has in their truck its theirs to do with
what they want. In fact the 51 F1 I have is the first Ford I have ever
owned (I don't count the 71 Courier I had as a Ford it's a Mazda). But with
all the Trucks I have owned (nine in the last 25 years) I have always kept
the same manufactures motor in them its just the way I am. When I open the
hood on my vehicle I like to see the same Logo on the inside that is on the
outside.

It will be interesting to see how the vote comes out.
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:25:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter

Right on Abe!! Too much time is being wasted on these
discussions.

Ed and Effie

- --- Abe Stauffer wrote:
> Hey guys,
> Let's use some common sense here! As I have said
> before, as a young lad
> I was a Chevy guy. I had a '55 and '57 Chevy (cars).
> My Dad had a '48 5
> window Chevy pickup. My older brother had several
> 48-54 Chevy pickups
> (He still has his '53 F-600 Dump truck with the
> flathead,by the way). I
> think I ticked some people off when I said "I like
> Old Ford trucks
> because I have one." But I have had that old Ford
> for the last 22 years.
> I had the '55, '57 Chevys and my '54 Ford F-100 all
> at the same time.
> But look at what I kept!! So now I am a Old Ford
> truck guy!
> My main point here about our tremendous list digest
> is this: Whether
> you have non-Ford stuff in your truck, or more
> modern Ford stuff, or if
> you are a stocker, NONE of us are paying a single
> penny for this
> service, for the tremendous amount of knowledge.
> Have you ever contacted
> the Henry Ford Museum at Dearborn. They will copy
> some pablum out of a
> book and mail it to you, and many times it is
> incorrect. For more
> research it is $35 per hour!!! My advice here is
> to follow the
> bylaws. Ken does not get paid for his time which is
> much like a full
> time job.
> At the risk of offending anyone, and again I
> appreciate your Ford
> trucks no matter what you have in them, if you can't
> play by the rules
> start your own page. These discussions take up too
> much of our time. I
> usually skip over them when they pop up. Hopefully
> this is resolved as
> everyone has valuable info to share and I would hate
> to see anyone
> leave!!!
> Abe
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:53:32 -0500
From: "Bill Robinson"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter

I second that idea or is it third
Bill
10 trucks: 5 Fords '49, 2-'50's, 51 & '52
5 Chevys 2-'58's, '67, '78(GMC), '85(van)
All have the same engines as the truck make.
But not all are stock.
Working on the '50 F-1 now & it will be as hot as I can afford to make it.
Just bought a pair of Edlebrock heads on e-bay for $227.50 ion real nice
shape. I have a blower for it but it is missing some pieces. Any blower
experts out there?
Now that's at least .04 worth.
Bill
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From: Ed Ellston
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, December 17, 1999 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - List subject matter


>Right on Abe!! Too much time is being wasted on these
>discussions.
>
>Ed and Effie
>
>--- Abe Stauffer wrote:
>> Hey guys,
>> Let's use some common sense here! As I have said
>> before, as a young lad
>> I was a Chevy guy. I had a '55 and '57 Chevy (cars).
>> My Dad had a '48 5
>> window Chevy pickup. My older brother had several
>> 48-54 Chevy pickups
>> (He still has his '53 F-600 Dump truck with the
>> flathead,by the way). I
>> think I ticked some people off when I said "I like
>> Old Ford trucks
>> because I have one." But I have had that old Ford
>> for the last 22 years.
>> I had the '55, '57 Chevys and my '54 Ford F-100 all
>> at the same time.
>> But look at what I kept!! So now I am a Old Ford
>> truck guy!
>> My main point here about our tremendous list digest
>> is this: Whether
>> you have non-Ford stuff in your truck, or more
>> modern Ford stuff, or if
>> you are a stocker, NONE of us are paying a single
>> penny for this
>> service, for the tremendous amount of knowledge.
>> Have you ever contacted
>> the Henry Ford Museum at Dearborn. They will copy
>> some pablum out of a
>> book and mail it to you, and many times it is
>> incorrect. For more
>> research it is $35 per hour!!! My advice here is
>> to follow the
>> bylaws. Ken does not get paid for his time which is
>> much like a full
>> time job.
>> At the risk of offending anyone, and again I
>> appreciate your Ford
>> trucks no matter what you have in them, if you can't
>> play by the rules
>> start your own page. These discussions take up too
>> much of our time. I
>> usually skip over them when they pop up. Hopefully
>> this is resolved as
>> everyone has valuable info to share and I would hate
>> to see anyone
>> leave!!!
>> Abe
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:11:57 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Whitmore
Subject: FTE Pre61 - BS

I don't know about the rest of the subscribers to the
list, but I joined so I could get and give good
information on restoration etc. on vintage Ford
trucks. I am tired of all this BS on whether the list
should allow anyone to mention another brand of engine
or transmission in their Ford truck. The small space
someone takes up my mentioning a Chevy part in their
Ford truck is nothing compaired to the pages of crap
other people write complaining about it! Lets get
back to talking about our Ford trucks, and if soneone
makes a comment about a Chevy part in their Ford, let
it go! Opinions are like Ford trucks, everyone should
have one, although sometimes the should keep them to
themselves.

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 13:42:50 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - re: The Power of a Y-block

I am looking forward to the power of a y-block. I am rebuilding a 1958 292
2 barrel engine. I have it disassembled down to the bare block. I have
read several articles and the Y-Block book. I plan to have the machine work
done and the heads rebuilt at a good machine shop. Does anyone have
experience with rebuild kits for this engine? Looking at replacing the
pistons, cam, bearings, etc. Know any good sources for rebuild parts? Got
a quote from Egge but at over $1000.00 seems a bit pricey. Have seen other
kits from $525 to $700 depending on what is included.

Roger
55 F100


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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:59:08 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - re: The Power of a Y-block

Roger Hughes wrote:
>
> I am looking forward to the power of a y-block. I am rebuilding a 1958 292
> 2 barrel engine. Does anyone have
> experience with rebuild kits for this engine? Looking at replacing the
> pistons, cam, bearings, etc. Know any good sources for rebuild parts?
>
Wasn't it Northern Auto Parts mentioned on the list some time ago
that had a complete kit for good money? I bet someone has their contact
information a lot closer to the computer than I do.

Skating at "work"
47Fred
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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:00:08 -0800
From: "JD Hollingsworth Jr"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re; My 2 Cents

Alpuntin aol.com writes about me;

>>TRUE BLUE SUCKIE>>Break the vacuum off his(Ken)
butt>>go back to biting your lip.

This response is to the anonymous a**hole that spewed the trash shown above.
If you'd have said this to my face, we woulda danced and you wouldn't have
liked the beat. But, of course, you didn't say it to my face. You said it
from behind your keyboard like the weaksuck troll that you are! Back to the
dungheap with ya!

Sincerely,
JDH
'55 F100 w/Y-block

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Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:28:36 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Arrrghh... make it stop!

Uh, is it just me, or has anyone else noticed that *once again*
the signal to noise ratio on this list has dropped to nearly
zero...?
The "to chevy or not to chevy" question seems to be the dominant
theme here AGAIN.

The "Ford vs. chevy" debate is almost as old as automotive history.
As long as chevy stuff is allowed to be discussed on a FORD list,
(or Ford stuff on a chevy list) there's going to be regular fights about it.
The only way I can see to keep it from being a total flamefest every
month or three is to keep the chevy discussions on a separate list.

If you go to the local pound, you'll find that dogs and cats are
kept in separate housing, not just thrown together in one cage.
There's a *reason* for that... It keeps them from trying to
kill each other.

Even if there's a vote, and chevy motor discussion is "legally"
allowed on the list, there's still always going to be fighting about it
It's as inevitable as death and taxes.
I don't think a vote will change that. It's obvious that almost no one
reads the FTE FAQ anyway, so even if the "official policy" changes I doubt
it'll do a thing to change the amount of bickering about it.

(Don't get me wrong, I think a vote would be an interesting thing,
and I've always admired Ken for letting people who are using HIS time
and resources for free have a say in how he runs HIS lists.)

I'll admit, I don't like chevy products much, and I don't enjoy hearing
about them on a FORD list, but I'm adult enough (usually) to let other
people do their own thing, and to keep my mouth shut and use my DELETE
key when necessary.
What I CAN'T stand is all the arguing about petty B.S.
A little is expected, but every time the "chevy motor" subject
comes up on this list the arguing becomes the dominant thread for
a week or two. I've seen it happen here *so* many times now.
Has anyone counted the posts in the last week and kept track of how
many actually relate to FORD trucks and how many are just bickering
amoung "family" members?
It's friggin' appalling.

I graduated from grade school a long time ago, and have no desire
to repeat the grade school experiance. If I want to hear this kind
of arguing, I can go to
I think there's a few of y'all who ought to take Mommys advice and
go take a little nap, cuz you obviously get kinda cranky when
you're tired.

Ya gotta love this:

>>>TRUE BLUE SUCKIE>>Break the vacuum off his(Ken)
>butt>>go back to biting your lip.
>
>This response is to the anonymous a**hole that spewed the trash shown above.
>If you'd have said this to my face, we woulda danced and you wouldn't have
>liked the beat. But, of course, you didn't say it to my face. You said it
>from behind your keyboard like the weaksuck troll that you are! Back to the
>dungheap with ya!

I could go on for hours about what I think the collective I.Q.s of
these two individuals might be or what their worth to the list is,
but I think they've said it all for themselves.....

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