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pre61-list-digest Friday, December 17 1999 Volume 03 : Number 367



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - 53 f-100 question
FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!
FTE Pre61 - 1938/39 picture
Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Starts like new
FTE Pre61 - Re: My $.02 Worth
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: My $.02 Worth
Re: FTE Pre61 - 39 Truck Picture
FTE Pre61 - 2 Grovers?
Re: FTE Pre61 - 46 gas tank mounting
FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents
FTE Pre61 - Re: FORD
Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 05:55:19 -0500 (EST)
From: racerdan webtv.net (Dan W)
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 53 f-100 question

Hey gang
I've been lurking for a while on the list ever since a work mate of mine
decided to sell his 53 f-100. I got it for 600 bucks. It needs some work
but is over all very solid. It has a 390 c-6 with an 8 or 9 inch rear.
I'm not sure about the rear yet. The engine was installed with a tubular
cross member so it wasn't a total hack job. My question is what can be
decifered from the trucks vin number? I know the truck had an auto trans
since it has the factory column still in it. But I'm not sure which
engine it had originally. I plan on making it a everyday driver with a
modern drive train and suspension and a tow vehicle for my race car.

Thanks
Dan form Indiana

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 07:30:47 -0500
From: The Neighbors
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!

Let me tell you how I feel about the 350, or any of the recent
"upgrades" available for that engine: I have a '59 Ch*vy Impala awaiting
restoration in my "garage". I have owned the car for a number of years,
and once upon a time it was my only transportation. I got SO TIRED of
having some guy walk over and look at the 283 that I was rather proud of
and ask "Why dontcha put a 350 innit?" that I actually screamed at a
couple of guys "I happen to LIKE the 283!!!!"
If I see a 350 in ANY kind of street rod, I spend little time looking
under the hood any more. To customize a vehicle is to create something
unusual, even unique. If you wrap a nice paint job and sheet metal work
around the almost ubiquitous 350/TH350 combo, a lot of that originality
is lost.
C'mon! Make that Y-block breathe! See if you can get a few more ponies
out of that 200 in your '65 Ranchero! (Call me if you do!) Be original!
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Don Neighbors
'54 F250 Named Grover

"Any dropped tool or part will automatically fall into the most
innaccesible part of the vehicle."

grover ford-trucks.com
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:42:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Winford Rister
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1938/39 picture

Scott, Thanks for the info!

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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:35:20 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Not the Ch*vy Thing Again!!!!!

The Neighbors wrote:
I have a '59 Ch*vy Impala awaiting
> restoration in my "garage". ..I got SO TIRED of
> having some guy walk over and look at the 283 that I was rather proud of
> and ask "Why dontcha put a 350 innit?" that I actually screamed at a
> couple of guys "I happen to LIKE the 283!!!!"

Don, GM should have gone out of business when they built the last '59
they're the only models I really like. Name it, Chevy, Caddy Olds, they
are all so ugly they're beautiful. I've been trying to figure out for
years how those cat eye taillights would look best on a pickup, and as
far as engines, if they'd quit with the 327 the world would be a happier
place.
Who says a Y block won't "breathe" with a isky 3/4 race cam and a
Holley 500 CFM 2 bbl, my '56 312 would run 6 grand in every gear and
with 3.50 gears that's close to 120. ('course it took a few miles to get
there, but a '57 sedan is pretty heavy).
47Fred
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 08:45:14 -0800
From: Daniel Swagger
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Starts like new

My son and I have a '51 F1 with a highly upgraded '52 o/h six and we have had
problems starting the beast. The starter seemed to "drag" and turn the engine
over so slow that it could not catch. After replacing cables, coils, points,
plugs, and my attitude-----we pulled the srarter off to have a rebuild
business check it out. Well, good news was the starter was our problem. Bad
news was more money towards the '51. The problem turned out to be some one
had put a 12 volt armature inside a 6 volt unit and we ended up with the
"drag". Because we purchased the truck as a BOX project, now I'll expect to
look out for more things that require a second look.

Roger Hughes wrote:

> I know how that feels. I rebuilt the starter in my 55 F100 right after I
> got my truck with help from a friend. It is a 6 volt unit in a 12 volt
> truck (converted). Starts easy every time now.
>
> Roger
> 55 F100
>
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:26:08 EST
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: My $.02 Worth

In a message dated 12/16/99 2:48:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:



Here Here! I totally agree. One of my fondest memories is when I was at a
show with my club and got a call that one of the members broke down on the
way to the hotel. Hooked up my little old 55 and pulled his 50 Ch*vy, with
a 350 Ch*vy engine all the way back to the hotel. He had to trailer it
home. We drove! Even got a picture. He doesn't give me much grief about
Fords anymore.

Denny
55F100 >>

I am all for keeping this list "Ford" and installing anything in a "Ford"
would be keeping with "Ford" If we started talking about how to adjust
Volare' suspension or tuning up a Chevy engine, I think we would be off the
track. Installing Corvette rear suspension in our Ford would be helpful but
rebuilding the Corvette rear suspension would be BAD. I ride a Harley and I
have been given a lift by BSA's and a Honda. We share the riding sport. I
have also helped Honda riders in trouble and anyone who rides if they are in
trouble, they will get help from me. However, when Honda riders come into a
Harley chat room they are not welcome anymore than I am welcome if I go to a
Honda chat room. Just seems right.
Mel
53 f100
34 5w
34 Roadster
70 El Camino
95 FXSTC
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 13:58:58 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: My $.02 Worth

Are you saying that people with other than Ford drivetrains should not be
welcome? I agree that some of us share the same views but most do not. Again
I say if you want original keep it that way. If not do what YOU want. I like
looking at originals but love looking at custom builds. I look forward to the
day when I get my 56 rebuilt I hear the questions," How did you do that?". I
am not meaning to slam anyone here and if this offends it is not meant that
way, But anybody can unbolt a part and rebolt the same part.(original). I
prefer to see the challenges that people conquered by doing something
different. I know that using a 350 or 327, whatever is not really being
different, But to the purists it is a sin. I do not care what anybody wants
to do with their projects as long as it suits them. But in any case it takes
a lot of time and effort to achieve how we prefer our Fords. More so with
changing things. I am also not limited to what type of vehicle to talk about.
I have friends that drive other than Ford. Its a pleasure to me to chat any
vehicle. However I agree that if you want to talk Fords this is the place to
be. My opinion is "If the title says Ford lets hear about it" regardless of
what front end or engine and ecetera that you may have. I have to say if you
have to be that critical about what people choose to do with their Fords, It
really takes the fun out of it. And to be honest I am building mine to have
fun with. Please keep in mind,"Blinders distort the view of a lot of really
nice Fords."

My 2 cents worth

Meat....( Bill Ireland)
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 14:16:04 EST
From: PWPTRUCK1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 39 Truck Picture

In a message dated 12/15/1999 12:56:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
fordf100 usa.com writes:

> I know of a 39 3/4 ton pickup for sale. I can't find a picture of a 39 or
> 38 on the web. I would like to know what it looks like before I take a
> fairly long trip to see it. Does anyone know of a web site which has a 38
> or 39 truck picture?

Winford, Here is a site that has pictures of a 38 Ford
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/rasloto
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 16:27:46 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 2 Grovers?

Are there 2 Grovers in the FTE?

Paul G.
54 panel named "panemal"
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 18:38:01 -0800
From: sainey impop.bellatlantic.net
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 46 gas tank mounting

I just pulled the tank on my 39 the other day, it had the same setup hard
mounted
with two bolts on one side and one spring mounted bolt on the other.

Steve

39 1/2 ton hopped up flathead

Don Lewis wrote:

> I pulled the gas tank on my '46 to rehab it and noticed that it had only
> one mounting bolt but there appeared to be brackets and holes for 3. The
> configuration I have is as shown with the x's indicating where the holes in
> the tank match square holes in brackets.
>
> ________________x
> | |
> x| |
> | |
> |_______________|
> x
> The left side has a bolt, spring, washer and castle nut. The right side
> doesn't have any attachments (don't know what happened to them). I can put
> carriage bolts on the right side but want to know if there should be any
> springs, bushings or the like for suspension. The service manual says
> "Remove the two tank mounting bolts from the tank bracket on the right side
> and the one mounting bolt and spring from the tank on the left side". No
> mention of springs on the right side. The chassis parts catalog (Green
> Book) also doesn't show any springs or bushings on the right side. It seems
> strange that the tank would be solidly mounted on the right side and sprung
> on the left side. Does anyone have any thoughts or knowledge to share?
>
> Don Lewis
> '46 1/2 ton
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 19:04:00 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

Forwarded for: jdh vcd.hp.com

Ken, Dan and all,

I've bit my lip/fingers when this issue has hit the list in the past but I
can't hold back this time. I cannot find anything "reasonable" about any
chev discussions, whether it be installation, fabrication, diagnosis,
modifications or otherwise. This is a _FORD_ list and as Ken points out, the
charter clearly states that we'll discuss _FORD_ engines only. That's why I
and many others s*bscribe to FTE. To those of you that can't stick to the
charter, _UNS*BSCRIBE_! Ken, your site is undoubtably the finest truck site
on the web, Ford or otherwise, and I thank you for your fine efforts. But, I
sincerely hope that you'll reconsider putting this to a vote and leave the
charter as written. But if you don't, please make it a simple yes/no vote on
whether or not chev engines can be discussed here. Thanx for listening.

Regards,
JDH
'55 F100 w/ Y-block




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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 20:11:15 EST
From: Alpuntin aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

JDH writes


on the web, Ford or otherwise, and I thank you for your fine efforts. >>


I must say that if a vote ever comes for being a TRUE BLUE SUCKIE you get
mine.

Break the vacuum off his butt. You would be surprised how many people send
me e-mail that have other than F**D engines and are afraid to say for fear of
idiots like you will trash them. There is good info on this site for all to
use. I would suggest you go back to biting your lip.
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 22:01:10 EST
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FORD

First on race day.
On
Race
Day

Tom Nickolson
"The General"
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 1999 23:27:43 -0800
From: "Ray Cardogno"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Fwd: Re: My 2 cents

Ken, Thanks for making this issue a democratic one. All my fords have the original engines except for my 53 panel, which has a Volare IFS and a mopar 360. It's still my favorite truck. Don't #$& with my Ford truck. Let's keep the peace. Does your engine reciprocate?....

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