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pre61-list-digest Monday, December 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 363



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In this issue:

RE: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering
RE: FTE Pre61 - 56 steering box
FTE Pre61 - How come?
FTE Pre61 - Ford vs che*y round 2957
FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie
FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?
Re: FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie
FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?
FTE Pre61 - Re: FLATHEAD V8S
Re: FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?
FTE Pre61 - 239 water pumps
FTE Pre61 - chrysler master cylinder question

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:15:57 -0500
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering

I just happen to have an automatic from a 53 victoria that I swaped out.
Its complete and was working if your intrested.

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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering
>
>
> Due to some physical problems, I must modify my (nearly) stock
> '52 F1 with
> an automatic tranmission and power steering. Does anyone have
> any experience
> with the Toyota 4x4 power steering setup? How did you mount the
> pump on a
> flathead? I want to keep my original straight axle. Other than the C4
> Automatic Transmission swap (which I'd rather not do), is there a
> better way
> to convert to an automatic? Has anyone installed an automatic our of an
> early Ford passenger car in a '48-52 pickup? Are these transmissions
> available? Where could one be found? Any advice will be greatly
> appreciated.
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 06:36:16 -0500
From: "Mcat"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - 56 steering box

Does any body have a 53-56 steering box assy that they want to sell
reasonably? Garry

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:19:52 -0500
From: Paul
Subject: FTE Pre61 - How come?

I think the reason people don't complain about Volare IFS, etc. is the
fact that the engine is the "heart" of a vehicle.
One can put a Ford rear in a Chevy, or a Volare IFS in a Ford, etc. with
no problem, as long as you don't mess with the heart. It just seems
like the heart transplant brings out passions. Just pretend that a lot
of Chevy owners began putting Ford or Mopar engines in their
Chevys....they would be complaining too.
It would be the same with people.

Paul Gayda
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:53:46 EST
From: FiftySevenF100 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Ford vs che*y round 2957

In a message dated 12/13/99 1:34:44 PM !!!First Boot!!!, thegman cfw.com
writes:


of Chevy owners began putting Ford or Mopar engines in their
Chevys....they would be complaining too.
It would be the same with people.

Paul Gayda >>


FTEers,

That to me is the biggest Ford/cheby problem. It has been so lopsided for so
long that us "purists" are taking no prisoners. I have been a Ford man as
long as I have desired autos. My dad was a Ford man. I have always pulled for
the underdog. In this matter, Ford has built cars and trucks with engines
that will hold their own with any technology in the world. We just have never
gotten the same press (most of the better cheby motors will have only the
block left after rebuilding). When 57 chebies have 351Ws in them I'll keep
quiet!

Glenn in TN
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 11:15:41 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie

We are kicking around selling our beloved 55 F100. My arthritis makes
playing Karate Kid (wax on wax off) a very painful experience.

While this is an early stage discussion, I thought I would pose a question
here as to where the folks who have sold their trucks, or those who had
good luck finding trucks for sale were looking. Web Sites, Hemming,
Old Car Trader, etc.

Our 55 is a pure stock restoration of a fairly rare truck. Serial number is
10009 and documented as the 9th truck built at the Norfolk plant. It is
a DSO with the Lincoln Plant Power King Y-block. It will be attractive to
a limited number of buyers only as "it aint cheap".

Thanks in advance for any input.

Howard

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 08:11:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?

I wouldn't knock someone for putting a C* in a Ford
body. Most do it because it is easier and cheaper than
many Ford to Ford conversions. There is a great deal
of aftermarket support for these conversions.

I for one took the hard road, my '53 F100 sports a
new 400 w/351C-4V heads, flattop pistons, Crane Cam,
Roller Rockers, roller timing chain, fluid damper,
Sanderson headers, Carter carb, Edelbrock intake,
Mallory Dist, Promaster coil, Holley Annihilator
Ignition, C6 w/shift kit and 3:25 posi gears. It also
a MII IFS and Ford 9" rear. The brakes and steering
are GM, because of availability.
I could have done a 502 C* crate motor for the same
money w/less custom fabrication, but then I would be
like the majority. If you go to the shows the C*
conversions are all lined up, but the folks are ogling
the rare flathead or 'Y' block or 5.0l or 351W or 460
or maybe a radical 400.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V

> From: HDMel95 aol.com
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?
>
> In a message dated 12/12/99 3:00:35 AM Pacific
> Standard Time,
> owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
> Subject: FTE Pre61 - How come?
>
> I was curious why someone mentions a Ch##y
> conversion here everyone slams
> the person and tell them to go somewhere else. But
> if you have put Mopar
> clips and the like on your truck no one has a
> problem with it? I know there
> has always been an ongoing war between Ford and
> "the big C", but if this is
> FORD only related, shouldn't everyone just keep it
> on topic? Our does
> everyone just look down on "C" only? >>
>
> Terry, not "Everyone"
> I have said many times in the past, just what you
> are saying. I run a
> Volare' clip and no one says "Hey look at that Mopar
> Truck" I run a Chevy
> 350 in one of my 34 Fords and a 289 in the other one
> and no one says "Look at
> the Chevy with the Ford Body" Nope, "Everyone"
> says, "What a great lookin'
> Ford!!!!!!" When I had my 40 Deluxe Coupe with a
> Hilborn injected Hemi, not
> one person ever said here comes Mel in his Chrysler.
> There are the purists
> out there and I understand where they come from, but
> we all do what makes us
> feel good about our projects. I put the Chevy in my
> 34 because Ford didn't
> make a good overhead valve V-8 back then, Chevy
> did, and so did Chrysler,
> Cadillac and Oldsmobile. One of the best looking
> and running V8's around for
> a short while was the Vertical Head Buick V-8's in
> the 50's. Almost put one
> of those in my 34, but the Chevy was cheaper. One
> thing for sure, we don't
> see too many Ford V-8's under Chevy hoods
> (especially Y blocks) There is a
> reason for that. Think about it. I look at it this
> way, how many organ
> transplants does a human have to have before the
> person isn't that person any
> longer?
> Mel
> 1953 f100 351c, Volare' Clip/GM Steering Column
> (Still a Ford)
> 1934 5w 350 Chevy (Still a Ford)
> 1934 Roadster 289 Ford (Still a Ford)
> 1970 El Camino 350 Chevy (Still a Chevy)

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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 12:14:24 -0500
From: Francis Marchand
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie

Howard,

Not sure where you hail from, but there is an Owls Head Transportation
Museum Antique Auto Auction every August. There were 2 or 3 old Ford
trucks there this past August. Owls Head is in Maine, near Rockland on the
coast. Follow the link below to get the most recent auction results.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ohtm.org/NEauction_list.html

Good luck,

Fran

At 11:15 AM 12/13/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>We are kicking around selling our beloved 55 F100. My arthritis makes
>playing Karate Kid (wax on wax off) a very painful experience.
>
>While this is an early stage discussion, I thought I would pose a question
>here as to where the folks who have sold their trucks, or those who had
>good luck finding trucks for sale were looking. Web Sites, Hemming,
>Old Car Trader, etc.
>
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:12:33 -0800
From: "Vierra, William BGI SF"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?

Good question easy answer, this email list forum frowns on discussions of
motor installations other than Ford or Ford family.

We do this to stay consistent with the club bylaws and the web site charter.
So while everyone recognizes that many people put other manufactures motors
in Ford trucks conversations of such need to occur elsewhere. All other
aspects of truck customization are open for discussion it's just on power
plants the discussions should stick to Ford or Ford Family engines.

I would urge everyone go to http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html
and read or reread the charter.

Thanks. I am sending this as a list and club member and do not mean to
represent myself as the list administrator or rule enforcer.

William 51 F1 1971 302, T-4, 9 Inch still a Ford if not quite original
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:31:32 -0800
From: "Mike Bishop"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: FLATHEAD V8S

There's no question that aluminum heads and a multi-carb manifold look great
on a flatmotor. For an original engine that just runs better and better with
time and miles, however, I'd do nothing other than regular oil and filter
change (2000-3000 miles) and keep after the tune.

Aside from disturbing what sounds to be a contented engine, the hop-up
pieces are not without their negative tradeoffs. Those iron heads are far
stiffer than aluminum heads and serve to help keep the top of the block from
moving around, and while it probably isn't a critical difference in a stock
engine, it is a reality. Also, multiple carburetion, even when combined with
increased compression and headers, is of little if any benefit and is
accompanied by fussiness and driveability problems.

A good set of tube headers (like Red's) and a freer-flowing exhaust system
will add a little snap--and lots of smiles from the wonderful exhaust note
that's produced--without harming your happy flathead. I'd also increase the
headpipe and tailpipe size at least 1/2 inch if it were mine. Another
no-harm modification is a change to a better distributor, such as a Mallory
electronic or dual-point conventional. If you feel the need for some more
suds, consider an Offenhauser four-barrel manifold with a small AFB (no
larger than 500 cfm). Not nearly as handsome as a trio of 97s, but the
result is no fuss, no muss, and noticeable performance gain without
appreciable fuel-mileage penalty.

FWIW, with the engine running as good as you report, don't do a compression
test. Until you're ready to make a decision about rebuilding it, differences
between cylinders just cause needless worry. Just enjoy it.


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>Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:13:12 EST
>From: HDMel95 aol.com
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s
>
>In a message dated 12/12/99 3:00:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
>owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
>the
> 8BA??
>
> What do you flathead engine owners think are the best things you can do
for
> these old engines?
>
> Are tubular headers a real plus?
>
> My ''52 flathead V8 seems to run better the more it is used/driven - is
this
> a common characteristic of this model engine??? It has 53000 miles on it
> (really!!) - should it be overhauled? Rebored?? Does not use any oil or
> lose any water/antifreeze - what are the best things I can do to keep it
in
> A1 shape??????
>
> E mail is PBruhn aol.ocm >>
>
>Well, I hope I qualify to answer a couple of your questions... I don't own
a
>flathead any longer, but I have had a few over the years.
>1. I am not aware of any optional Flathead V8 in the f1
>2. The best thing you can do to a Flathead is keep the oil and filter
clean,
>change to 12V so it starts. Nothing looks better than some Offy Aluminum
>Heads and 3 Stromberg 97's.
>3. Headers really only "Help" about 5% but they sure look marvelous and
sound
>great.
>4. Like anything born around 1952, it loves to be used. So if it seems
like
>it is running better the more you use it, tis probably true. Try sitting
>around for a couple of months then go out and jog. Ouch! 53,000 miles!!
>If it isn't broken, don't fix it. If I were you and it isn't
burning/leaking
>or dripping oil or antifreeze, just check the compression (should be within
>20 pounds from lowest to highest) and keep the oil/filter clean and drive
it.
> Just shine it up, maybe add some cool chrome and aluminum stuff and let it
>strut her stuff.
>Mel
>1953 f100
>1934 5w
>1934 Roadster
>1970 El Camino
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:49:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Selling an Effie

You might want to try www.classifieds2000.com. I
recently sold a truck for a friend using this service.
Another idea is to post it in this forum. Lots of
people here know of a person or are looing for a truck
themselves.

Ed and my effie

- --- Francis Marchand wrote:
> Howard,
>
> Not sure where you hail from, but there is an Owls
> Head Transportation
> Museum Antique Auto Auction every August. There
> were 2 or 3 old Ford
> trucks there this past August. Owls Head is in
> Maine, near Rockland on the
> coast. Follow the link below to get the most recent
> auction results.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ohtm.org/NEauction_list.html
>
> Good luck,
>
> Fran
>
> At 11:15 AM 12/13/1999 -0500, you wrote:
> >We are kicking around selling our beloved 55 F100.
> My arthritis makes
> >playing Karate Kid (wax on wax off) a very painful
> experience.
> >
> >While this is an early stage discussion, I thought
> I would pose a question
> >here as to where the folks who have sold their
> trucks, or those who had
> >good luck finding trucks for sale were looking.
> Web Sites, Hemming,
> >Old Car Trader, etc.
> >
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 18:08:42 EST
From: Meats56 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?

Are we going to get this going again? Sure hope not.

Meat....( Bill Ireland)
56F-100...350/350 Turbo.....And Still A Ford
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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 17:46:02 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 239 water pumps

Abe wrote:

>FTE'ers,
>If your 239 is a '55 or newer you should be OK. Here is a little story
>on my '54 239 water pump some may find useful/informative. Last summer
>my water pump went. I took the truck to the local family owned full
>service station in town. I sat in the office while the eldest brother
>called the parts stores for a rebuilt pump. They said Ford did not build
>a 239 ohv in '54. Their books showed pumps for 239's in '55, 256's
>and 272's. I then got on the phone and told them I had a 239. They said
>I was wrong. No point in arguing with a "know it all" with a parts book
>in front of him so I hung up. I figured I'd call my favorite Ford Truck
>Parts catalog place. I called several, including Job Lot in NYC. They
>all laughed and said I'm out of luck. There are no rebuilt water pumps
>for '54 239's since the '54 pumps were exclusive to '54. The '55 pump
>and up was used for several years and therefore is worth the expense.
>I had to send mine away to get rebuilt. Meaning: 2 weeks and mucho
>$$$$.
>Abe '54 F-100 with 239 original Cleveland and orphan-year water
>pump!!!

I was looking thru some catalogs this past weekend and found Mac's Antique
Auto Parts lists a "part # B6T-8501-BR/ rebuilt water pump/ 239 OHV/ with
high mount fan bracket" for $39.95, sold exchange only. $20.00 core charge
if yours is not rebuildable or not received. Says for 55-56 but probably
should say 54-55. Would not be the first time I have found a mistake in
their catalog.
Mac's phone # is 800-777-0948 and website is www.macsautoparts.com . You
can order catalogs online.

Roger
55 F100


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Date: Mon, 13 Dec 1999 19:12:53 -0600
From: "john niolon"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - chrysler master cylinder question

I'm starting to do brakes on my '53 f-100...I'm using a Volare clip and a
Chrysler power booster and master cylinder (that came with the front clip.....


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