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pre61-list-digest Monday, December 13 1999 Volume 03 : Number 362



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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s
FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?
Re: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s
FTE Pre61 - Lowering an F6

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:13:12 EST
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s

In a message dated 12/12/99 3:00:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


the
8BA??

What do you flathead engine owners think are the best things you can do for
these old engines?

Are tubular headers a real plus?

My ''52 flathead V8 seems to run better the more it is used/driven - is this
a common characteristic of this model engine??? It has 53000 miles on it
(really!!) - should it be overhauled? Rebored?? Does not use any oil or
lose any water/antifreeze - what are the best things I can do to keep it in
A1 shape??????

E mail is PBruhn aol.ocm >>

Well, I hope I qualify to answer a couple of your questions... I don't own a
flathead any longer, but I have had a few over the years.
1. I am not aware of any optional Flathead V8 in the f1
2. The best thing you can do to a Flathead is keep the oil and filter clean,
change to 12V so it starts. Nothing looks better than some Offy Aluminum
Heads and 3 Stromberg 97's.
3. Headers really only "Help" about 5% but they sure look marvelous and sound
great.
4. Like anything born around 1952, it loves to be used. So if it seems like
it is running better the more you use it, tis probably true. Try sitting
around for a couple of months then go out and jog. Ouch! 53,000 miles!!
If it isn't broken, don't fix it. If I were you and it isn't burning/leaking
or dripping oil or antifreeze, just check the compression (should be within
20 pounds from lowest to highest) and keep the oil/filter clean and drive it.
Just shine it up, maybe add some cool chrome and aluminum stuff and let it
strut her stuff.
Mel
1953 f100
1934 5w
1934 Roadster
1970 El Camino
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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 16:34:37 EST
From: HDMel95 aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: How come?

In a message dated 12/12/99 3:00:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:


Subject: FTE Pre61 - How come?

I was curious why someone mentions a Ch##y conversion here everyone slams
the person and tell them to go somewhere else. But if you have put Mopar
clips and the like on your truck no one has a problem with it? I know there
has always been an ongoing war between Ford and "the big C", but if this is
FORD only related, shouldn't everyone just keep it on topic? Our does
everyone just look down on "C" only? >>

Terry, not "Everyone"
I have said many times in the past, just what you are saying. I run a
Volare' clip and no one says "Hey look at that Mopar Truck" I run a Chevy
350 in one of my 34 Fords and a 289 in the other one and no one says "Look at
the Chevy with the Ford Body" Nope, "Everyone" says, "What a great lookin'
Ford!!!!!!" When I had my 40 Deluxe Coupe with a Hilborn injected Hemi, not
one person ever said here comes Mel in his Chrysler. There are the purists
out there and I understand where they come from, but we all do what makes us
feel good about our projects. I put the Chevy in my 34 because Ford didn't
make a good overhead valve V-8 back then, Chevy did, and so did Chrysler,
Cadillac and Oldsmobile. One of the best looking and running V8's around for
a short while was the Vertical Head Buick V-8's in the 50's. Almost put one
of those in my 34, but the Chevy was cheaper. One thing for sure, we don't
see too many Ford V-8's under Chevy hoods (especially Y blocks) There is a
reason for that. Think about it. I look at it this way, how many organ
transplants does a human have to have before the person isn't that person any
longer?
Mel
1953 f100 351c, Volare' Clip/GM Steering Column (Still a Ford)
1934 5w 350 Chevy (Still a Ford)
1934 Roadster 289 Ford (Still a Ford)
1970 El Camino 350 Chevy (Still a Chevy)

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 14:56:56 -0800
From: Dan Wentz
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering

>Due to some physical problems, I must modify my (nearly) stock '52 F1 with
>an automatic tranmission and power steering. Does anyone have any experience
>with the Toyota 4x4 power steering setup? How did you mount the pump on a
>flathead? I want to keep my original straight axle.

I've seen the Toyota setup--it looks pretty good and people seem to like
it. Even easier than that is putting on a power assist kit that uses the
stock steering box. As for mounting the pump, I've been out of the
flathead world for a while but I'd bet that somebody makes a power steering
bracket for the flathead. Try Flathead Jack.

>Other than the C4
>Automatic Transmission swap (which I'd rather not do), is there a better way
>to convert to an automatic? Has anyone installed an automatic our of an
>early Ford passenger car in a '48-52 pickup? Are these transmissions
>available? Where could one be found?

My opinion is that the C4 *is* the better way. Unless you want a nostalgic
truck or are a trail blazing type I'd avoid older automatic
transmissions. The C4 is strong and has good parts availability, plus lots
of people are using them with flatheads so if you have a problem there is
support--you don't have to install the thing using trial and error.

Having said that though, 53 F100's still had flatheads and I think they had
automatics too. If you can dig one up you might be in good shape. I doubt
you'd have the parts availability though.

~Dan


1950 F1 351C--Once again stopping under it's own power.
1992 Mustang LX--A fine vehicle if ever there was one...apart from the clutch.

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 19:43:54 -0500
From: "sam fugate"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s

I agree with Mel, If IT ain't broke ,don't fix it. As far as add ons I agree
with him there too. Nothing helps the looks of a Flatmotor better than
Aluminum and chrome! The one thing I would do though, is add a full flow
oil filter system (when you need to rebuild) You will hear pro's and con's
on the subject. I've done it with my Flattie. check it out at
http://www.ford-trucks.com/afte/fugate51/side1.jpg

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Sent: Sunday, December 12, 1999 4:13 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Flathead V-8s


> In a message dated 12/12/99 3:00:35 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> owner-pre61-list-digest ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
> the
> 8BA??
>
> What do you flathead engine owners think are the best things you can do
for
> these old engines?
>
> Are tubular headers a real plus?
>
> My ''52 flathead V8 seems to run better the more it is used/driven - is
this
> a common characteristic of this model engine??? It has 53000 miles on it
> (really!!) - should it be overhauled? Rebored?? Does not use any oil or
> lose any water/antifreeze - what are the best things I can do to keep it
in
> A1 shape??????
>
> E mail is PBruhn aol.ocm >>
>
> Well, I hope I qualify to answer a couple of your questions... I don't own
a
> flathead any longer, but I have had a few over the years.
> 1. I am not aware of any optional Flathead V8 in the f1
> 2. The best thing you can do to a Flathead is keep the oil and filter
clean,
> change to 12V so it starts. Nothing looks better than some Offy Aluminum
> Heads and 3 Stromberg 97's.
> 3. Headers really only "Help" about 5% but they sure look marvelous and
sound
> great.
> 4. Like anything born around 1952, it loves to be used. So if it seems
like
> it is running better the more you use it, tis probably true. Try sitting
> around for a couple of months then go out and jog. Ouch! 53,000 miles!!
> If it isn't broken, don't fix it. If I were you and it isn't
burning/leaking
> or dripping oil or antifreeze, just check the compression (should be
within
> 20 pounds from lowest to highest) and keep the oil/filter clean and drive
it.
> Just shine it up, maybe add some cool chrome and aluminum stuff and let
it
> strut her stuff.
> Mel
> 1953 f100
> 1934 5w
> 1934 Roadster
> 1970 El Camino
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>

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 20:17:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Robert Whitmore
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Lowering an F6

I want to lower my 48 F6, mainly so it will clear my
garage door opening (sofenting the ride wouldn't hurt
either). It has 8:25x20 tires from it's farm use
days(no tread left). What I an considering is
removing about half of the leaves in the springs-both
front and rear, and installing new 6:50x20 tires. The
truck will never see the loads it was designed for.
Another idea I had for the front end was to move the
front axle from under the springs to on top of the
springs, but I don't know what this will do to the
steering geometry. Anyone have any experience in this
area, or just an opinion?
F6 named Leo (named after the farmer who bough it
new)

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