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pre61-list-digest Sunday, December 12 1999 Volume 03 : Number 361

Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1948 - 1948 truck and vans
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In this issue:

FTE Pre61 - Flathead V8
FTE Pre61 - 239 water pumps
FTE Pre61 - 1960 hubcaps (and mirrors)
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Charity Event
FTE Pre61 - How come?
FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering
Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: FTE Anniversary
Re: FTE Pre61 - How come?



Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 07:40:41 EST
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Flathead V8

Were there other V8 engines installed in the 1951-52 F1 pickups besides the

What do you flathead engine owners think are the best things you can do for
these old engines?

Are tubular headers a real plus?

My ''52 flathead V8 seems to run better the more it is used/driven - is this
a common characteristic of this model engine??? It has 53000 miles on it
(really!!) - should it be overhauled? Rebored?? Does not use any oil or
lose any water/antifreeze - what are the best things I can do to keep it in
A1 shape??????

E mail is PBruhn aol.ocm


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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:19:20 -0500
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 239 water pumps

If your 239 is a '55 or newer you should be OK. Here is a little story
on my '54 239 water pump some may find useful/informative. Last summer
my water pump went. I took the truck to the local family owned full
service station in town. I sat in the office while the eldest brother
called the parts stores for a rebuilt pump. They said Ford did not build
a 239 ohv in '54. Their books showed pumps for 239's in '55, 256's
and 272's. I then got on the phone and told them I had a 239. They said
I was wrong. No point in arguing with a "know it all" with a parts book
in front of him so I hung up. I figured I'd call my favorite Ford Truck
Parts catalog place. I called several, including Job Lot in NYC. They
all laughed and said I'm out of luck. There are no rebuilt water pumps
for '54 239's since the '54 pumps were exclusive to '54. The '55 pump
and up was used for several years and therefore is worth the expense.
I had to send mine away to get rebuilt. Meaning: 2 weeks and mucho
Abe '54 F-100 with 239 original Cleveland and orphan-year water
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:46:02 -0500
From: "Abram H. Stauffer"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 1960 hubcaps (and mirrors)

Jeff and others,
As far as I know the '48-'56 hubcaps were identical with the exception
that 48-52 had blue paint in the FORD letters and 53-56 had red paint in
the FORD letters. To get technical for purists, 48-52 were polished
stainless while the 53-56 "did not have the bright finish." (Check the
books that have vintage photos of 53-56 and you'll see they are not
shiny?) The 57 and up to at least 60 were flat with bigger FORD letters.
Perhaps the catalogs you mentioned had typos. Or these guys don't know
there butt from a hub cap. I have found a lot of these places really
don't know a lot but come off sounding like they are authorities. I had
one guy sell me a used air deflector for my '54. He insisted that 53-54
were the same, I thought 54-55 were the same. Well it arrived and it did
not fit! Je then tried to tell me my truck must have had a different
front end on it! I totally trust Sy at Mid-Fifty's however. Top notch,
good service, and my son likes the Tootsie Rolls you get with every
PS: on the subject of originality, I have never seen those cute little,
chrome side view mirrors they sell in the catalogs (as original) on a
53-56 truck in vintage photos, original dealer brochures (I have 2), or
in junk yards! I have not seen them listed as accessories. For those of
you that have the dealer accessory books maybe you can prove me wrong. I
like to be accurate. Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 10:48:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: Charity Event

Well, its that time of year again. Ford Truck Enthusiasts
would like to use the power of all our list members to
help someone in need during this time of year. If you
know someone in dire straits, whether they are a list
member or not, please email me (off the list to keep the
traffic down) at kpayne

I'll present all the charity submissions on Sunday on the
website, minus names, and we'll vote on who we want to
support. Last year, we raised about $750 in two weeks
for a very worthy cause. This year, I'm sure we can do
even more. Together, we have great strength.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 11:34:47 -0600
From: "Terry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - How come?

I was curious why someone mentions a Ch##y conversion here everyone slams
the person and tell them to go somewhere else. But if you have put Mopar
clips and the like on your truck no one has a problem with it? I know there
has always been an ongoing war between Ford and "the big C", but if this is
FORD only related, shouldnt everyone just keep it on topic? Our does
everyone just look down on "C" only?

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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 12:27:14 EST
From: VegmanOCF
Subject: FTE Pre61 - '52 F1 Auto Trans & Power Steering

Due to some physical problems, I must modify my (nearly) stock '52 F1 with
an automatic tranmission and power steering. Does anyone have any experience
with the Toyota 4x4 power steering setup? How did you mount the pump on a
flathead? I want to keep my original straight axle. Other than the C4
Automatic Transmission swap (which I'd rather not do), is there a better way
to convert to an automatic? Has anyone installed an automatic our of an
early Ford passenger car in a '48-52 pickup? Are these transmissions
available? Where could one be found? Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 19:30:27 -0500
From: chevman
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Wheels

Thanks for the information.

On Fri, 10 Dec 1999 22:15:39 -0600 JeffH writes:
> Yep, Stockton Wheels are at
> snailmail:
> Dept. 4WOR
> 648 W. Fremont St.
> Stockton, CA 95203
> Phone: 800.395.WHEEL -or- 209.464.7771. Fax: 209.464.4725.
> That's according to their website.
> Thanks for the info, Jeff. This will be a post-Christmas
> venture for me, but I will certainly keep them in mind.
> =====jeffh
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Date: Sat, 11 Dec 1999 23:31:14 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: FTE Anniversary

FTE will soon be celebrating another anniversary. Please feel
free to share any fond memories of our past with me, what you
like best about FTE or its users, etc. I'm putting together
a "perspective" article and would like to include items from
the users, who after all, make FTE the community it is.

Everyone is welcome to contribute, whether you are a new
member or you've been here from the beginning. Send anything
you'd like to submit to me personally.

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 1999 03:22:10 EST
From: Filzdad
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - How come?

I personaly have NO problem with mixing and matching for my purposes. I
looked for two years for a '36-'41 1/2 ton driver. Then I looked for another
year and a half for a '48-'52. When I finally found one in my price range
(low) and in decent shape (only another $3K to get it legal and moving
safely; paint to go...) it was a '49 F-1 with a '77 Chevy 350 in it by
another owner. Hey, when I finally DO get my show truck, after hitting the
lottery, it will have the flathead in it. But for now I'm pretty happy to be
riding a fifty year old truck into the next millenium. Besides, my
4-year-old doesn't care what's under the hood when he asks to go for a ride
in Toulouse!

Merry Christmas all!

'49 F-1 'Toulouse'
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