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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - PF
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint
FTE Pre61 - Re: Manuals
FTE Pre61 - 56 Panel gas tanks
FTE Pre61 - Re: phone # request
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint
Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint
Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: radials on 15 inch rims
Re: FTE Pre61 - Tires
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: ALL NEW SERVICES ON THE FTE WEB SITE
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New server
FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New events guide
FTE Pre61 - Radials on 17 inch rims
FTE Pre61 - Fan and Fan Shroud
FTE Pre61 - Seized Engine
FTE Pre61 - Door Seals
FTE Pre61 - Siezed Engine
Re: FTE Pre61 - Brakes, Pedals,Master Cyls. etc
FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Ignition and Door Key Project

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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 09:32:33 -0500
From: 47Fred
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - PF

TNickolson aol.com wrote:

> What does "effie" stand for?
>
A corruption of "F-series" as in F-1, F-250 ect. Distinguishes '48 up
from '47 back, which ar NOT "effies".
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:25:20 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint

Try Eastwood Automotive Tools and Supplies
Order # 800-345-1178
Info Line # 610-644-0560


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From: Ed Ellston
To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 10:59 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint


>Does anyone know where I can purchase the following
>color spray paints for my effie:
>
>Grille - Argent Silver
>Grille Recess - Aluminum
>
>thanks
>
>Ed and his effie
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 08:14:30 -0700
From: "Janet Herron"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: Manuals

Gary,
You might try Concours Parts & Accessories at 800-722-0009. I have had =
great success and have dealt mostly with Steve. He knows my '48 F6 fire =
truck and has helped me out. Hope this helps.
Janet
Blazin'48


Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:55:41 -0500
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Manuals

Trying to find source for 48-56 Ilustrated Parts And Access.
Manual for Ford trucks. Sac. Vintage was out and unsure
when getting. Can't seem to find Loyd's on-line, been there
before, to check with them. Anyone have address(on-line)?
Someone needs to make a factory assembly manual with
pictures for Fords, like my Chevy book. It's the handiest
book I have for parts and assembly.
"G"

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 11:50:22 -0500
From: "Proctor"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 56 Panel gas tanks

> OK Gang;

On my 56 panel, the gas tank (86 Bronco) has been placed at the back with a
fender mounted filler spout.I would like to get an original location style
tank..
any thoughts or ideas?...Also, will it interfere with a under cab mounted
master cyl/booster brake system?

Rick...
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> Date: Mon, 6 Dec 1999 18:46:14 EST
> From: JRFiero aol.com
> Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Gas Tanks
>
> In a message dated 12/6/1999 3:52:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dlaray earthlink.net writes:
>
> > Can anyone with experience make a recommendation for companies selling
> > between the rail gas tanks for a 56 F-100.
> Panel trucks came with a 15 gallon tank inside the frame on the left.
> Don't know where you could get one, tho.
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 08:59:44 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: phone # request

John,

I don't have that #, but you could try Mid-Fifties
800-252-1956. I have been very happy with them.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
400C-4V


>Subject: FTE Pre61 - phone # request
>anyone got a copy of custom truck or something with
>Bob's F-100 phone
>number in it... I'd like to call them today from
>work but left thenumbers
>at home....respond direct to jniolon uss.com
>please....I'm on the digest list
>thanks john


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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 13:11:23 -0500
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint

Ed, Argent and Silver are the same thing to me.
I've had real good luck and nice spray from a
Case/IH tractor dealer. $5-6.oo a can, but
nice spray pattern and color. They have
Argent that I used on tractor wheels because
silver looks "cheap".
"G"

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:39:17 EST
From: JRFiero aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint

In a message dated 12/7/1999 9:50:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
eellston yahoo.com writes:

> Grille - Argent Silver
> Grille Recess - Aluminum
>
Ford had an Argent Silver for a long time. It's available from Eastwood,
with Ford licensing, I think, for a pretty penny. There are other vendors
who claim to have the same color without the licensing and with a different
name, but same color. Anyway, I usually see it advertised for use on wheels.
No telling whether the actual color stayed the same over the years. Don't
know about the aluminum - Eastwood is a good place to start. I'd look up the
URL if they have one, but you can do that, too.
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 18:59:23 -0600
From: "Andy Montebello"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Re: radials on 15 inch rims

Purchased medium white walls in 235 75R15 today. Put them on 1966 Ford
pickup wheels. I'm sorry I didn't do it sooner. The ride is wonderful.
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>From: hwillms ca.ibm.com
>To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: radials on 15 inch rims
>Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 1:15 PM
>

>
>
> Did this to my 48 F1, actually I'm Canadian so it is a F47. Anyway I use
> 235 to "fill the wheel wells" and they make the steering so much better. I
> put the radials on after redoing the front end and steering box and they
> still made it better. If your going to drive it use radials.
>
> Depending on your budget and the look you want you can put on
> wide(expensive) or medium whitewalls(normal prices) or black. I used the
> 48-50 reproduction hub cabs on late '50s Ford truck rims(15 inch) and
> chrome trim rings with medium white wall.
>
> Henry Willms
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:01:31 -0600
From: "Andy Montebello"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Tires

Took you advice and purchased wide white wall 235 75R15s today for all four
corners. It is a different truck. The steering box is NOS, the front axle
is NOS with new king pins. The drag link has all new parts in it, but the
radials did the most good. The ride is very smooth and the tires don't try
and follow ridges in the pavement.

Thanks for your advice.
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>From: "Mike Bishop"
>To:
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - Tires
>Date: Fri, Dec 3, 1999, 9:21 AM
>

> To Andy with the '50 F-1: Other than a rearend swap to an F-100 9-inch, the
> only change I have made to an F-1 I purchased last year was the wheel and
> tire combo--15-inch wheels with 205/70R-15 and 235/70R-15 radials. The truck
> was transformed from tired old ranch truck to a pleasant driver, in both
> ride and handling qualities. And that's with well-worn suspension bushings.
> The steering gearbox is in excellent shape, although it didn't feel that way
> with the 6.50-16 bias-ply tires. With the radials, not only is the steering
> precise (relatively), it is much lighter. The truck is slated for a '50s
> style hot rodding with a dropped axle and reverse-eye springs, along with
> total mechanical rebuild of the chassis. If radials can benefit a tired old
> chassis, just imagine what they will do to one that's in as-new condition!
>
> Based on my experience, I say go with the radials.
>
> Mike Bishop
>
>
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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 19:56:55 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: ALL NEW SERVICES ON THE FTE WEB SITE

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce the addition
of AutoGuide to web site. The AutoGuide features the
following services:

- - Price quote on a new or used truck, car or van. FREE
- - Insurance quote. FREE
- - Finance quote. FREE
- - Car Title Check, $17.50
- - Warranty purchase, varies
- - Personal credit check (useful to know BEFORE you go to
the dealer), $8.00
- - Auto accessories, varies

Check them out on the main page of the web site:
http://www.ford-trucks.com

We hope you find these services useful. Services such as
these enable us to continue to offer our free web services
to our users as we grow.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts



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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 20:10:56 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New server

Ford Truck Enthusiasts is pleased to announce that we
now have a new dedicated server to host our web services.
This high powered machine will be able to handle several
million file hits per day (the current server does about
100,000-200,000 per day).

The system, in a nutshell:

500Mhz Pentium III
256 megabytes of RAM
10 gigabyte 10,000 RPM hard drive.
100 megabit network connection
Redhat Linux with secure SSL server
MAE-East and Neutral network backbone connections

Currently, FTE is hosted on two shared servers with a total
of 500 meg of drive space available to us. During the
next 2-3 weeks we will transition the site over to the new
server. You should not notice any changes other than
much faster response time. As part of the move, the entire
mailing archive will be placed online with full searching
capabilities! The archive takes about 200 meg of space.
Expect to see many new free services added to the site
as we leverage the power of this new server.

Regards,
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 20:47:04 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE Pre61 - ADMIN: New events guide

Go to the main page of the web site (www.ford-trucks.com)
to see our all new events guide. This calendar based
guide will allow you to add your Ford truck events.

Enjoy!
Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 08 Dec 1999 21:41:07 -0600
From: JeffH
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Radials on 17 inch rims

Well, since everyone is thinking tires, I'll pop in
with this question. I have a 1950 F-3 and was wondering
what options I would have for new tires. Has anyone bought
new rims and radial tires for this truck? What sizes were
they? Are there any factory 17" rims that would fit the F3,
or is there some way to alter (weld, whatever) the original
rims so they would accept radials? I'm trying to weigh my
options before springing for a new set of tires...

btw, my truck is affectionately known as "Big Tank", cuz
you generally hear it coming before you see it... :)

Oh, and "Hi!"

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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:56:33 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Fan and Fan Shroud

I was comparing the water pumps between my 239 Y block in my truck and the
292 I am tearing down for a rebuild. The 239 water pump has the fan mounted
high on a flange that is part of the pump, with two slots to adjust the belt
tension. It has a separate belt just for the fan. The 292 had the fan
bolted to the pump shaft pulley, which lowers the fan a few inches and has
just one belt. When I put the 292 in my 55 F100, will I need to get a
different fan shroud? Or maybe a different radiator mount? Maybe a 56 F100
radiator mount is lower than my 55. Just don't see how things will line up
yet.


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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:46:58 -0600
From: "Roger Hughes"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seized Engine

>From: "John Harrison"
>Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seized Engine
>
>If Mystery oil doesn't work you mignt try mineral spirits. It's not as
thick
>& might penetrate better. Years ago I had a 56 Plymouth with the same
>problem. Put about 2" in each cyl, let sit for a day. Then take a piece of
>2x4 & a good size hammer. Hit each piston hard several times. Repeat this
>for several days if necessary. Try turning eng with long breaker bar while
>someone hits pistons. (make sure piston's going down, not coming up) It
>worked for me.

Thanks for the info John. It took some doing but I managed to knock out 7
of the pistons tonight. Two were stuck. One of those came out slowly the
other is really stuck. I am soaking it in 1/2 Marvel Mystery Oil and 1/2
trans fluid. I found the tip for this formula on the Eastwood web site
after I placed an online order. If that doesn't get it I'll try the mineral
spirits. Tomorrow the crank shaft comes out!!! I feel fortunate to have
gotten this far. The engine sat for years with no spark plug in #2 cylinder
and that's the one that is really stuck. The top of that piston is pitted
badly. I doubt it will be usable. It's a shame, the rest would clean up
nicely.

On a lighter note, I won the bid on Ebay for a Weiand 3x2 intake with 3 Ford
carbs.

Roger
55 F100





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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:59:32 -0600
From: "Randy Selby"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Door Seals

I've been looking through my wish books tonight for door seal kits for my
50. According to the catalogs that I have, looks like $200 is the average
price. Is this about right, or am I overlooking a better source? The kit
includes door seals, glass runs, division bars, anti-rattlers, and vent
seals.

Randy Selby
50 F-1
52 F-2
another 50 F-1
My wife is beginning to dislike F-1s.........
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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 21:39:41 -0600
From: Brett L Habben
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Siezed Engine

Roger,
Get a good penetrating oil like Kroil and keep the cylinders soaked. Put
a long pipe on the flywheel and wiggle the crank back and forth for a
couple of minutes every day. The wiggling motion is the key to getting
the pistons and rings free. Sometimes they'll come loose right away,
sometimes it'll take a couple of days, sometimes a couple of weeks,
sometimes not at all.
If it will not come loose within your time constraints you'll have to
fall back to removing the rod and main caps, removing the crank, and
breaking each piston loose with a hammer and a block of wood. I've been
tempted to weld up a jig for a bottle jack that'll bolt to the block deck
to press the pistons down instead of hammering them.
Let us know how you fare.
Brett,
Super75cab
>Does anyone on the list know a good lubricant to soak the cylinders to
free
>up a seized engine? I have the heads and the oil pan off. The block is
on
>an engine stand. I need to break the pistons free to complete the
>disassembly. Any good ideas?
>Thanks,
>Roger
>55 F100



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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 20:51:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis Moody
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Brakes, Pedals,Master Cyls. etc

Thanks for all of the info. The picture was nearly
black, but I am going to put it in Adobe photo and see
if I can clear it up.

Just out of stupidity, everyone loves that mustang II
cylinder, what year is that from?


You own a machine shop???? In Mt. Sterling???? Do you
do engines??

Dennis Moody



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Date: Wed, 8 Dec 1999 18:54:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Ignition and Door Key Project

I'll have my old truck home by the weekend and my
first project will be to get the new locks installed
since I don't have the door key for the old one. I
have received information on replacing them both.
Prices I have are as follows:

Door locks 12.00 each, NOS Ignition Switch 80.00
each, NOS ignition key cylinder is 50.00. A couple of....

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