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In this issue:

Re: FTE Pre61 - engine idenfication
FTE Pre61 - Seized Engine
FTE Pre61 - brake pedal, master cylinder, etc!!!
FTE Pre61 - Manuals
RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!
Re: FTE Pre61 - Manuals
Re: FTE Pre61 - Kids & Trucks
FTE Pre61 - re: Sons and trucks
FTE Pre61 - phone # request
Re: FTE Pre61 - re: Sons and trucks
RE: FTE Pre61 - phone # request
Re: FTE Pre61 - phone # request
RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!
FTE Pre61 - production figures for USA
FTE Pre61 - PF
Re: FTE Pre61 - PF
FTE Pre61 - Brakes, Pedals,Master Cyls. etc
FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint
Re: FTE Pre61 - production figures for USA

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 09:04:17 -0500
From: "Jason Piccola"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - engine idenfication

Mike,

I have a 55 F-250. I just purchased a 223 from a guy in Canada. The truck has a
215 in it. I will check on my 223 to see if these markings match. The 215 and
223 are very similar. The engine mounts are a tell tail sign between the 223 and
the 215. On the 215, the mounts are located the side of the engine block. The
223 has one mount attach to the timing cover case.

I will let you know if my markings match.

Jason Piccola

Fyrftrmike aol.com wrote:

> hello all i have a 59 f-250 i'am working on getting a old motor a guy gave me
> rebuilt but i'am haveing second thoughts about if it's a 223 the markings on
> the motor block are as follows.
> on a stamped plate screwed to the block is 1C24 and the others are
> acutuatly stamped in to the block they are C1AE-6015-k now at the end of the
> block flywheel end is a forged number it's 2 space and a arrow pointing to
> the next number 3 and at the end of the numbers is a little id tag wheel with
> the numbrs starting at top and working clock wise ar 7 1 3 5 the story goes
> that he pulled it out of a 57 ford it has all the same acceserices please
> help i cn't make any scence of the numbers.
>
> thanks mike
> fyrftrmike aol.com
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 06:39:29 PST
From: "John Harrison"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Seized Engine

If Mystery oil doesn't work you mignt try mineral spirits. It's not as thick
& might penetrate better. Years ago I had a 56 Plymouth with the same
problem. Put about 2" in each cyl, let sit for a day. Then take a piece of
2x4 & a good size hammer. Hit each piston hard several times. Repeat this
for several days if necessary. Try turning eng with long breaker bar while
someone hits pistons. (make sure piston's going down, not coming up) It
worked for me.


John

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:17:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Dennis Moody
Subject: FTE Pre61 - brake pedal, master cylinder, etc!!!

I am building a 51 f-1 with the origional flathead. I
am installing a t-5 transmission which requires
installing a new transmission mount a few inches on
down the frame. Does anyone sell a mount for the left
frame rail to hold my origional pedals and use a
modern master cylinder?

What if I cut the crossmember left of center,next to
the old transmission mount, and install a gusset for
support? What would be the recommended master
cylinder to mount to the existing plate? (I realize
I would have to change the mounting holes)

Any help appreciated,

Dennis Moody

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 11:55:41 -0500
From: "Gary L. Perry"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Manuals

Trying to find source for 48-56 Ilustrated Parts And Access.
Manual for Ford trucks. Sac. Vintage was out and unsure
when getting. Can't seem to find Loyd's on-line, been there
before, to check with them. Anyone have address(on-line)?
Someone needs to make a factory assembly manual with
pictures for Fords, like my Chevy book. It's the handiest
book I have for parts and assembly.
"G"

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:59:12 -0800
From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!

Don't give up hope. I to had the same problem. My son showed no interest
in cars. But the good news is that has changed. It was either due to his
wife, who is a big Boss Mustang lover, or a little statement I made about
giving my truck to my daughter when(if?) I go to the F100 club in the sky.
You se my daughter was born with the Hot Rod gene(even if she does like
Ch*vy's) and has had a couple of good rides, the last a 69 SS396 camaro.
Sooo in a interesting discussion with both kids one day i mentioned that my
daughter should get my 55 when I die. That suddenlly changed the interest
my son had in my truck. Now he wants it. So don't give up hope. Be
patient, buy him test drive for the play station and emphasize driving the
muscle cars. Interview girlfriends to make sure they are car oriented.
He'll come around.

Or you could put him up for adoption.

Denny
55F100
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> From: HDMel95 aol.com[SMTP:HDMel95 aol.com]
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> Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!
>
>
> In a message dated 12/4/1999 3:44:42 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> first vehicle. My other son has no interest in vehicles.
>
> Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab>>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:31:51 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Manuals

I have had good luck finding this kind of stuff from Faxons...however,
they are expensive. Also, and this depends on where you live and how
fast you need it, there are a host of vendors are Carlisle at the spring
show and the truck nationals in June.

Good luck.
Howard
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From: Gary L. Perry
To: Pre-61 Ford List
Date: Tuesday, December 07, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Manuals


>Trying to find source for 48-56 Ilustrated Parts And Access.
>Manual for Ford trucks. Sac. Vintage was out and unsure
>when getting. Can't seem to find Loyd's on-line, been there
>before, to check with them. Anyone have address(on-line)?
>Someone needs to make a factory assembly manual with
>pictures for Fords, like my Chevy book. It's the handiest
>book I have for parts and assembly.
> "G"
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:48:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - Kids & Trucks

Try the Excite.com website and click on vehicles.
Then click on trucks. If you give me an idea of what
you are looking for I can help. Some reasonable
stuff out there but it is located in various parts of
the country.

Ed and his effie

- --- Carver wrote:
> Thanks for the messages of hope, and despair!
>
> I have a few years before anything serious happens,
> as my sons are still 12 years old (yes, twins). I
> have
> a while yet to get the 'other one' converted.
> Though with
> his love of the biological world, I'm not holding
> out
> much hope. Identical twins aren't!
>
> My daughter is a whole 'nother world.
> I suspect she will be more like her mother, with a
> love
> of fast and flashy cars, convertible most likely.
> I'm much more practical, trucks and station wagons
> are
> more my style.
>
> I'm ready to cruise the FTE website with the vehicle
> kid to see what year truck he is interested in, so
> we
> can keep our eyes out for one at a really reasonable
> price.
>
> Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab
>
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:07:28 -0500 (EST)
From: Winford Rister
Subject: FTE Pre61 - re: Sons and trucks

Here's my unqualified philosophical comment about the subject of sons and
trucks:

Trucks represent work. Used to be that a man and a truck represented a work
team.

Ford history represents working class people (Henry and the Model T).

Therefore it naturally follows that Ford and Trucks go together.
I can still hear the sound of that 223 engine in the first vehicle I drove
(besides a farm tractor), a 53 F100!

I believe so strongly in the work ethic that I required that my son BUY his
own first vehicle. Further, I was determined that he would learn enough
mechanics to avoid being at the mercy of unethical garages like many people
are. It worked. During his 9 + years as a Navy pilot, his home was the
automotive repair center for all his friends. Now I get advice from him.

He has a Ford F150, has restored a 65 Mustang, and has helped extensively
with the rebuilding of my 54 F100.

Good Luck!

WinfordR, Mckinney Texas

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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 12:50:10 -0600
From: jniolon uss.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - phone # request

anyone got a copy of custom truck or something with Bob's F-100 phone
number in it... I'd like to call them today from work but left the numbers
at home....

respond direct to jniolon uss.com please....I'm on the digest list

thanks john


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 13:57:14 EST
From: Filzdad aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - re: Sons and trucks

As a current Naval Flight Officer who is playing with a '49 Effie and EA-6B Prowlers, I can vouch for the work ethic still being alive! My jet mechs hate it when I ask for a screwdriver up in the cockpit!!!

Matt
'49 F-1 'Toulouse'
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 14:44:18 -0600
From: Mike Morton
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - phone # request

Address and phone number as follows:
9372 Mission Blvd.
Riverside, Ca. 92509-2635
909/681-1956
909/681-1960 (fax)

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Subject: FTE Pre61 - phone # request


anyone got a copy of custom truck or something with Bob's F-100 phone
number in it... I'd like to call them today from work but left the numbers
at home....

respond direct to jniolon uss.com please....I'm on the digest list

thanks john


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 12:48:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Scott
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - phone # request

Bob's, Phone: 909-981-1956 Fax: 909-681-1960
Scott

- --- jniolon uss.com wrote:
>
>
> anyone got a copy of custom truck or something with Bob's F-100 phone
> number in it... I'd like to call them today from work but left the
> numbers
> at home....
>
> respond direct to jniolon uss.com please....I'm on the digest list
>
> thanks john
>
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Date: Tue, 07 Dec 1999 22:42:41 GMT
From: "Walter O'Riley"
Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!

I myself wasnt interested in cars a few years ago. My father has always had
a street rod parked in the garage for as long as I can remember. I think
what got me interested was my dad taking me to all the cars shows after his
first restoration and showing me all the different thing you can do to a
car. Right now he has a 48 F-1 with a 289 as well as a business making 32
roadster bodies. Well to make a long story short, I now own a 1966 F-250 all
original with a running 352 that I am restoring. Oh by the way, if anyone
has any parts for a 66 F-250 let me know, im currently looking for a
tailgate and rear bumper.

Mike II


>From: "O'Connell, Dennis M"
>Reply-To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
>To: "'pre61-list ford-trucks.com'"
>Subject: RE: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!
>Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 08:59:12 -0800
>
>Don't give up hope. I to had the same problem. My son showed no interest
>in cars. But the good news is that has changed. It was either due to his
>wife, who is a big Boss Mustang lover, or a little statement I made about
>giving my truck to my daughter when(if?) I go to the F100 club in the sky.
>You se my daughter was born with the Hot Rod gene(even if she does like
>Ch*vy's) and has had a couple of good rides, the last a 69 SS396 camaro.
>Sooo in a interesting discussion with both kids one day i mentioned that my
>daughter should get my 55 when I die. That suddenlly changed the interest
>my son had in my truck. Now he wants it. So don't give up hope. Be
>patient, buy him test drive for the play station and emphasize driving the
>muscle cars. Interview girlfriends to make sure they are car oriented.
>He'll come around.
>
>Or you could put him up for adoption.
>
>Denny
>55F100
> > ----------
> > From: HDMel95 aol.com[SMTP:HDMel95 aol.com]
> > Reply To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> > Sent: Saturday, December 04, 1999 8:28 AM
> > To: pre61-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE Pre61 - Re: 2nd Son Doesn't like Vehicles!!
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 12/4/1999 3:44:42 AM, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > first vehicle. My other son has no interest in vehicles.
> >
> > Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab>>
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:31:24 EST
From: DEADOAK aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - production figures for USA

I have production figures for Ford and Mercury trucks produced in Canada but
not the US. Just called Ford/Mercury customer service and they said most
Ford trucks were built in Canada. Is that accurate?

Thanks,
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:26:26 EST
From: TNickolson aol.com
Subject: FTE Pre61 - PF

Has anyone ever entered a truck for judging in PF? If someone has please
share your experience with us.

Ken: Bring this up to the other groups, It would be interesting to read.

What does "effie" stand for?

Tom Nickolson
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:44:35 EST
From: FiftySevenF100 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - PF

In a message dated 12/8/99 1:35:20 AM !!!First Boot!!!, TNickolson aol.com
writes:

>
F series -- or F'y -- hence effie

Glenn in TN
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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 20:58:37 -0500
From: "sam fugate"
Subject: FTE Pre61 - Brakes, Pedals,Master Cyls. etc

Zeener yahoo.com (Dennis Moody) Asked a question about adding a Modern
master cylinder to his F1. Dennis , I have Just finished such a task on my
51 F1, I installed a C4 tranny and added a Ford Mustang Power Booster to my
stock crossmember. I had to modify it somewhat though.
1. Cut about 14 " out of tthe center of the xmember.
2. Fabricated gussets to match Tranny mounts.
3. Added angle to the botttom.
This modification is stronger than the original. When you have a machine
shop you can do these things.

I have a picture of the whole thing
http://www.ford-trucks.com/afte/fugate51/tranny.jpg

It may be a little hard to see though (black frame) give it a look, If you
have any questions I'll be glad to help you as much as you can.

Still workin on the 51
Sam I Am


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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 18:43:56 -0800 (PST)
From: Ed Ellston
Subject: FTE Pre61 - 49 F-1 Spray Paint

Does anyone know where I can purchase the following
color spray paints for my effie:

Grille - Argent Silver
Grille Recess - Aluminum

thanks

Ed and his effie

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Date: Tue, 7 Dec 1999 22:09:05 -0500
From: "Howard H. Tarnoff"
Subject: Re: FTE Pre61 - production figures for USA

There is a book on that and I think it is the "Red Book". I had
a copy, loaned it out...you know the rest of the story.


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